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Jim in CT 09-20-2015 10:33 AM
Dangles. let's be clear. This event isn't a debate about gay marriage or abortion. It is, in the words of Obama, a "welcome ceremony" for the Pope. When Obama has a welcome ceremony for Al Sharpton, does he invite the Klan?

All kinds of guests, invited by the White House, who specifically oppose Catholic views on gay marriage, abortion, and transgender issues. The few Catholics that are known to have been invited, are folks who actually support abortion and contraception, and have been ordered by the Vatican to knock it off. Did the White House invite any militant, zealot, pro-Catholic warriors to this "welcome ceremony?

It's well within Obama's toolbox to use a "welcome ceremony" to attack the Pope over issues that make liberals look, well, barbaric.

spence 09-20-2015 12:56 PM
Dangles. Let's be clear. There are about 15,000 people invited to this event including a few transgenders, a gay bishop and a nun the Vatican doesn't really like.

Now I'm not sure what Obama is thinking inviting a bishop and a nun to meet the Pope, but if this isn't the worst example of skullduggery then what is it? The Pope is old and frail, he can't take this. What are we trying to prove by inviting US Christians to something like this?

It's a trap.

Jim in CT 09-20-2015 01:42 PM
They aren't merely Christians Spence, many of them are rabidly anti-Catholic. That's what is questionable judgment for a "welcome ceremony" for a Pope.

How many true, devout Catholics did Obama invite? If he invited none, but several rabid anti-Catholics, then clearly he has an agenda here.

As I said, this isn't a gathering for a debate, or for an episode of "Crossfire". This is a "welcome ceremony" for a Pope, and it seems like Obama is trying to make him feel less-than-welcome. Very par for the course, for this divisive jerk.

spence 09-20-2015 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1082054)
They aren't merely Christians Spence, many of them are rabidly anti-Catholic. That's what is questionable judgment for a "welcome ceremony" for a Pope.

How many true, devout Catholics did Obama invite? If he invited none, but several rabid anti-Catholics, then clearly he has an agenda here.

As I said, this isn't a gathering for a debate, or for an episode of "Crossfire". This is a "welcome ceremony" for a Pope, and it seems like Obama is trying to make him feel less-than-welcome. Very par for the course, for this divisive jerk.
You have no clue how many devout Catholics were invited. You're just milking a knee jerk reaction to reading something online because you hate the President.

Dangles, nailed it. He has you in a figure four...

Jim in CT 09-20-2015 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1082056)
You have no clue how many devout Catholics were invited. You're just milking a knee jerk reaction to reading something online because you hate the President.

Dangles, nailed it. He has you in a figure four...
You're right, I don't know, which is why I asked. But here's what I do know Spence...if I was hosting a "welcome ceremony" for someone who dedicated their entire life to any cause, I wouldn't invite a single person who was militantly undermining that cause. Would you?

spence 09-20-2015 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1082058)
You're right, I don't know, which is why I asked. But here's what I do know Spence...if I was hosting a "welcome ceremony" for someone who dedicated their entire life to any cause, I wouldn't invite a single person who was militantly undermining that cause. Would you?
Please explain how a few transgendered people, a gay bishop and a nun who the Vatican doesn't like because she doesn't speak out against abortion enough is "militantly undermining" any cause.

Jim in CT 09-20-2015 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1082059)
Please explain how a few transgendered people, a gay bishop and a nun who the Vatican doesn't like because she doesn't speak out against abortion enough is "militantly undermining" any cause.
Can I answer that question with a question? Why do these people want to be at a welcome ceremony for the Pope, do you suppose?

There's a time and place for rigorous debate. I don't think a "welcome ceremony" is the place to debate (or attack) what the Pope holds dear. Has Obama invited anyone who got free food at a Catholic food bank, free medical care at a Catholic hospital, or free lodging at a Catholic shelter? I don't know.

Spence, maybe you'd invite Ann Coulter to a welcome ceremony for Caitlyn/Bruce Jenner, but I wouldn't. Even if Coulter didn't say a word, I doubt her presence would make Jenner feel welcome, which is the whole point of welcome ceremony, isn't it?

spence 09-20-2015 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1082061)
Can I answer that question with a question? Why do these people want to be at a welcome ceremony for the Pope, do you suppose?
Perhaps because they're Christian and it's kind of cool to meet the Pope?

Jim, it's all fake outrage...

When Dangles releases you from his choke lock, you should read this...some ammo for your next hissy fit.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...679_story.html

Sea Dangles 09-20-2015 05:52 PM
So...did you hear the Pats won? I am still waiting for Jim to explain how this is an ambush. He is an actuary and always proves himself to the penny.

Yet he stil had yet to come up for an explanation for his misguided diatribe. Very uncharacteristic for a person who thinks he is as smarts he thinks he is........

Still waiting....ambush?
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Sea Dangles 09-20-2015 05:55 PM
Please tell your pope to study for the hard questions he is supposed to have all the cards to answer.
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Jim in CT 09-20-2015 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1082082)
So...did you hear the Pats won? I am still waiting for Jim to explain how this is an ambush. He is an actuary and always proves himself to the penny.

Yet he stil had yet to come up for an explanation for his misguided diatribe. Very uncharacteristic for a person who thinks he is as smarts he thinks he is........

Still waiting....ambush?
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I guess you're not as bright as I always thought, because (1) it's common sense, and (2) I explained it several times. When you invite one of the gentlest souls on the planet, and your intent (speculating here) is to surround him by a bunch of foaming-at-the-mouth fanatics who despise everything he stands for, then that's an ambush. When the mob will say the most vile hateful things, and the one guy cannot respond that way because he's too gentle, that's an academic ambush. Is that really going too fast for you?

Jim in CT 09-20-2015 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1082083)
Please tell your pope to study for the hard questions he is supposed to have all the cards to answer.
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Dangles, there isn't a single hard, even challenging, question liberals can ask him.

Why do you think a human life is worth more than a woman's right to self-centered convenience?

Why do you think that the only union that can produce life, is different than a union between 2 people of the same sex? In other words, why do you think it's OK to say that different things are, in fact, different?

Why do you cling to the antiquated notion that sex is supposed to be more meaningful than a handshake? Casual sex never hurt anybody, right?

Why is it important to take care of the sick and the poor?

What's the value in a religion that teaches people about service and love, makes devotees feel like there is a real purpose to life, and that they are never, ever alone?

Yeah, he needs to study on those, all right, those are real head-scratchers.

Sea Dangles 09-20-2015 07:10 PM
So obviously you have no idea what an ambush actually is
But there is good news

The pope has all the answers and will come out smelling like....roses
Hurrah! For Jimmy
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Sea Dangles 09-20-2015 07:12 PM
PS
I am assuming the pope has more eloquence than you do
Otherwise
Not good
Perhaps you should google the definition of ambush so you can stop insulting your pope.
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Sea Dangles 09-20-2015 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1082087)
Dangles, there isn't a single hard, even challenging, question liberals can ask him.

Why do you think a human life is worth more than a woman's right to self-centered convenience? But bone children til they kill themselves.

Why do you think that the only union that can produce life, is different than a union between 2 people of the (favorite)same sex? In other words, why do you think it's OK to say that different things are, in fact, different?yet,the same

Why do you cling to the antiquated notion that sex is supposed to be more meaningful than a handshake? Casual sex never hurt anybody, right, as long as you say three Hail Marys.

Why is it important to take care of the sick and the poor,with wine and porno flicks

What's the value in a religion that teaches people about servicing boys and love, makes devotees feel ashamed if they don't donate like there is a real purpose to life, and that they are never, ever alone?

Yeah, he needs to study on those, all right, those are real head-scratchers.
Why do your priests bone altar boys and go to you for refuge?
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Sea Dangles 09-20-2015 07:28 PM
Why not let Rev Andrew McCormack explain or any of the other 3400 defrocked priests in the last 10 years?

Pedophiles
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Jim in CT 09-21-2015 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1082094)
Why do your priests bone altar boys and go to you for refuge?
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That's a pertinent point. The Church has much to answer for in the way they handled that sickening scandal. It was a very small number of bishops in the US who covered that up, and we are (too slowly for me) rooting them out. It's absolutely fair the the Pope should speak to victims of the abuse to understand the damage first-hand.

Fair enough?

Now, what about all our neighbors across New England who got free food last night at a Catholic food bank, or free medical care at a Catholic Hospital, or a free bed at a Catholic homeless shelter? Does that mean anything to you at all?

RIROCKHOUND 09-21-2015 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1082130)
That's a pertinent point. The Church has much to answer for in the way they handled that sickening scandal. It was a very small number of bishops in the US who covered that up, and we are (too slowly for me) rooting them out. It's absolutely fair the the Pope should speak to victims of the abuse to understand the damage first-hand.

Fair enough?

Now, what about all our neighbors across New England who got free food last night at a Catholic food bank, or free medical care at a Catholic Hospital, or a free bed at a Catholic homeless shelter? Does that mean anything to you at all?
Wow... I was away from this all weekend. It sure divested from the Iraq stuff earlier...

RIROCKHOUND 09-21-2015 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 1082147)
Wow... I was away from this all weekend. It sure divested from the Iraq stuff earlier...
I looked back at the thread; I think we could go around and around re: the long-term good of the surge and stability of Iraq and neither would change opinions.

What I am having a harder time with, is the idea that you, who was in Iraq (I think you said there, and not Afghanistan), thinks we should get engaged in Syria. Syria, to me, is more like Iran than Iraq, and, is NOT a country to get into w/o going whole hog, and then likely would require a long-term occupation/'residual force'. To me, without fully proportional financial and troop support from other allies, ME and Europe, is madness, and even then is probably not one we want to be involved in... I am not doubting the evil of Assad, but I don't think a US led groundwar is the answer here.

Jim in CT 09-21-2015 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 1082221)
I looked back at the thread; I think we could go around and around re: the long-term good of the surge and stability of Iraq and neither would change opinions.

What I am having a harder time with, is the idea that you, who was in Iraq (I think you said there, and not Afghanistan), thinks we should get engaged in Syria. Syria, to me, is more like Iran than Iraq, and, is NOT a country to get into w/o going whole hog, and then likely would require a long-term occupation/'residual force'. To me, without fully proportional financial and troop support from other allies, ME and Europe, is madness, and even then is probably not one we want to be involved in... I am not doubting the evil of Assad, but I don't think a US led groundwar is the answer here.
You make good points, and I'm no expert on high-level strategy. In my opinion (I could be wrong), we're going to need to deal with it eventually. Jimmy Carter tried the policy of "put your head in the sand, wring your hands, and hope the problem goes away", but that doesn't always work. I agree that we need big-time buy-in from a lot of other countries.

Between our economic issues, and what's happening in that part of the world, it's getting downright scary.


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