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Andrea Pitzer, author of One Long Night: A Global History of Concentration Camps, has a more global definition. “We have what I would call a concentration camp system,” Pitzer says, “and the definition of that in my book is, mass detention of civilians without trial.” "What's required is a little bit of demystification of it," says Waitman Wade Beorn, a Holocaust and genocide studies historian and a lecturer at the University of Virginia. "Things can be concentration camps without being Dachau or Auschwitz. Concentration camps in general have always been designed—at the most basic level—to separate one group of people from another group. Usually, because the majority group, or the creators of the camp, deem the people they're putting in it to be dangerous or undesirable in some way." |
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i’m not excusing trumps behavior, i criticize it all the time. i just ask for a speck of consistency from the likes of you. But you are literally and explicitly saying that the standards of 2016 and prior, no longer apply. Your side changed the rules with Trump. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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who were watching. if your definition of a concentration camp is a place where people are held without trial, (1) that’s way outside what most people think of when they think of that term and you know it, and (2) even by that definition, it’s asinine to say that’s what we are setting up. these people are detained until they have hearings, not indefinitely. and again, keeping kids in cages during obama’s presidency, was never an issue. it only became immoral in january 2017. right? Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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I think her word was "consecration" camps :laugha: |
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Who were the eleven people besides you who were watching Lemon and why would I care, especially since it is apparently such a limited audience. I think perhaps you may have attained the rank among Trumplicans of Obergruppensplainer. SAD If you look at Trump campaign supporters being rewarded look no further than who is holding immigrants and see GEO Group and CoreCivic stock prices. Just a little view of the Trump swamp, that he claimed to be draining. Wonder what his and his families holdings of those stocks amount to? |
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Was the question, where did I come yup with death camps? Answer: From Fredo Ocasio-Cortez. She said Trump is setting up concentration camps where people are being brutalized and killed, and she said "never again", a phrase commonly associated with the Holocaust. She specifically referred to people at these concentration camps, as being "brutalized" and "killed". I concluded she was referring to death camps. You disagree. Fine. I answered your question directly. Return the favor? Do you stand by your comment that it's "bizarre" of me to claim that Biden said the things he said? Or was I 100% correct that he said them? |
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You have now lost your way and are in the wrong thread, your cubicle mates must be scratching their heads at your mumbling. |
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pete, if you think i’m angry, i’m not. the gop is doing great at the moment, my IRA is up, my net pay is up, any fellow citizens are working. i suspect trump will get clobbered next year, which is ok, the pendulum swings in both directions, that’s healthy. when i point out the obvious hypocrisy displayed by you and spence, i’m laughing when i do so, not angry. believe that, don’t believe it, i could care less. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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His rally was filled with the same old same old, like traveling back in time and of course it was filled with the usual lies and false statements.
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Yeah, Ken Burns is very professionally capable of making something look like something else. He's not a hack. He's a very polished, professional writer who knows how to convince. The edited clips in your video, taken out of context . . . you know . . . context! . . . the stuff you like to bring up in order to mitigate the stupidity of some opinion you hold . . .taken out of context makes Trump to be a really vicious, hateful, nasty, racist, whatever. But Trump was reacting to the really vicious, hateful, nasty (and possibly racist) criminal stuff that was going on in the streets of NY at the time. And maybe the rage Trump was expressing, and was also reflecting the feeling of the citizens of that city, resulted in the election of Giuliani who cleared the mess up few years later. And, as for racism, Trump pointed out in his editorial that the crimes were against all races including blacks and latinos. The Central Park incidence was one small bit of the totality Trump was speaking about, not just about the five teens. When he called for the reinstatement of the death penalty, it was specifically for murderers, which was pretty clear if you read his now infamous editorial. He did not call for the death of the five teenagers. And for those who committed the brutal crimes other than murder (including, presumably, the five)which were threatening the civility of his city, he called for punishment, as a deterrent, not psychoanalytical analysis of "why" they are such twisted beings. Over the top? Perhaps. But not what your video makes Trump out to be. And that was thirty years ago. People are demanding Trump apologize and criticize him for not doing so. He points out that the five were charged with other crimes for which they were not exonerated, and that many of the prosecutors still believe that the teens, as well as several others that night in the park, were guilty of the mayhem that was occurring that night (not just against the jogger). I'm not going to say Trump is right, nor that he is wrong, but I'm not going to go oooohh, Ken Burns! Gotta believe what he portrays . . . because he is Ken Burns. |
When asked recently he used the same response he did in Charlottesville, good people on both sides. No remorse for the hell the innocent went thru, all about his own brand and image.
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What he expressed at that time was about the "brand and image," as you put it, of New York and the people of all races who lived through the brutal crime that existed there until Giuliani cleaned it up. The Ken Burns video that Spence posted is the typical kind of propaganda that informs the opinions of good people like you who don't know the full story. |
DNA proved someone else was responsible!
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