here’s who should have been there - local police, state police, national guard, federal troops if need be. the mayor, governor, and trump all did nothing to quell these riots.

say what you want about Rudy Giuliani, this stuff didnt happen when he was mayor. He didn’t allow it.
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That’s comical

Before January 6th, 2021, there was September 16th, 1992 -- a day that bore much in common with Wednesday’s assault on the Capitol.

A peaceful demonstration turned ugly. Thousands pushed past barricades and mobbed the seat of government -- in this case, City Hall in lower Manhattan. There was vandalism.
And firing up the crowd was Rudy Giuliani.

Giuliani, then a candidate for mayor running on a law-and-order platform, gave a fiery speech to an enormous crowd of protesters that consisted largely of off-duty police officers. They’d gathered to protest then-Mayor David Dinkins and his plan for an all-civilian police oversight board.

“The reason the morale of the police department of the city of New York is so low,” Giuliani said, “is one reason, and one reason alone: David Dinkins!”

The protest devolved into mayhem, as rioters jumped on cars and blocked traffic on the Brooklyn Bridge. On-duty officers did little to police the crowd, much like the scene Wednesday at the Capitol.

Then, as now, critics said Giuliani, a former U.S. Attorney, was culpable.

“For Rudy Giuliani to urge them on, as it were, demonstrates an irresponsibility on his behalf,” Dinkins said that day. “He who professes to be a law enforcement person.”
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There you go again totally clueless to what the majority of the Maga universe was saying about his derek chauvin


Kyle Rittenhouse flashes white-power sign at bar while out on bond

https://nypost.com/2021/01/14/kyle-r...th-proud-boys/

Keep avoiding the real reason Rittenhouse was there and who influenced him..

If he was watching porn and play video game like normal 17year olds he would not be in this mess

But now he’s an example of how Josh Hawley Want conservative men to act he should be your new Savior

hand-wringing over pornography, another traditionalist subscribing to outdated gender norms by saying “a man is a father, a man is a husband, a man is someone who takes responsibility,” and another male politician cautioning that a supposed liberal attack on manhood was at the root of this rot.

Another example of fear and hysteria. By the GOP

It’s a daily thing
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"Kyle Rittenhouse flashes white-power sign at bar while out on bond

https://nypost.com/2021/01/14/kyle-r...th-proud-boys/"

When was this? This was before anyone on the left said he was a white supremacist? If it was before anyone made that claim, you made a good point.

"Keep avoiding the real reason Rittenhouse was there and who influenced him.. "

I'm not a mind reader. He says he was there to help people defend property. His actions support that.

"If he was watching porn and play video game like normal 17year olds he would not be in this mess":

I said all along it was stupid for him to go there. Also, if town and state government did their job, there'd have been no riot he felt he needed to clean up. If liberals weren't protesting police brutality by burning down businesses of people who had nothing to do with police brutality, we also wouldn't be having this conversation. A lot of people screwed up royally before he got into his car. His parents must really be pieces of work.

"hand-wringing over pornography"

Not sure what that has to do with anything. But you're right, I don't generally like forcing children to look at porn.

"“a man is a father, a man is a husband, a man is someone who takes responsibility,”"

I have no idea who said that, but I agree with it.

"male politician cautioning that a supposed liberal attack on manhood was at the root of this rot."

Again, no idea who you mean. But liberalism is at the root cause of every politically-motivated riot in the last 40 years I can think of, except January 6. When liberals don't get their way, they riot. It will probably happen again with Rittenhouse.

The head of BLM in New York City said very specifically, "there will be fires, there will be bloodshed" if the new mayor tries to revert back to prior police tactics.

How is that not domestic terrorism? Parents who make the Nazi salute at a school board meeting are domestic terrorists, but not the head of BLM who said that?

I get a kick out of the whole “he shouldn’t have been there, therefore he’s guilty” angle

Yes it was immensely stupid for him to be there, but last time I checked, stupidity isn’t illegal (although it should be) It also isn’t illegal for him to be there. It’s a moot point on whether it was self defense or not.

The events as they unfolded in regards to the actions he took are all that matter in the context of this trial

My 2 cents
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HE WENT THERE WITH A SEMI AUTOMATIC ASSULT RIFLE. HE WAS NOT OLD ENOUGH TO OWN ONE!!!! Wtf dude…..
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And he will probably be found guilty on that charge, Dude

The self defense is a different set of circumstances and charges, Dude
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He is guilty of the worst fake tears and emotion I’ve ever seen, do stupid things you might do stupid time, there is no cure for stupid.

WHo knows what he was feeling. Not hard to imagine an 18 year-old in that situation would be overwhelmed, is it?

Anyway, he shot three people.

One of them, had a gun pointed at the kids head from a few feet away.

A second one, was smashing him in the head and neck with a skateboard.

Third one told Rittenhouse he was going to kill him, then tried wrestling the gun from his hands.

Which of those 3, can be presumed to not be self defense beyond any reasonable doubt? Come on.

He was very stupid, and he probably went looking for trouble and found it. His parents are also at fault, what awful parents they must be. This is reason number 100,000 why violent riots are not a good idea, and why states should not ignore violent riots.

wow...I wonder what the punishment is for fake tears and emotion....you need help too

yes, a kid who wasn't bothering anyone who happened to be armed shot a few "adults" who were attacking, threatening him and had a gun pointed at him and it's the fault of the kid who wasn't bothering anyone...

so sick and twisted..

if you want to read how upside down and twisted the left and media and snopes is read their account and characterization of the "evidence"

https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/09/...ctims-records/

“Everybody was there exercising their right to protest. And there were some people who were exercising their right to bear arms, including myself.” Grosskreutz said...

Grosskreutz was found guilty in 2016 of breaking Wisconsin’s law governing the use of dangerous weapons “armed while intoxicated” per Milwaukee County court records.

Additionally, Grosskreutz at various points received tickets for minor offenses including disobeying police officers and making loud noises, the court records showed. However, no evidence showed he had indeed committed burglary, though he had been arrested on suspicion of the crime in 2012. The felony charge was later dismissed, per Wisconsin Department of Justice’s criminal data.

Rosenbaum was sentenced to prison for sexually abusing five children — all boys between the ages of 9 and 11 — in Arizona’s Pima County in early 2002, according to his case file obtained via a public records request by Snopes.

The documents said Rosenbaum was temporarily living with the boys’ parents after his mother had kicked him out for disobeying her rules about one month earlier. Over the course of his weeks-long stay, Rosenbaum molested the boys, showed them porn, and performed oral sex on them, among other offenses, the documents showed. He was sentenced to prison for roughly 15 years, and authorities believed at the time “his risk to recidivate being of great concern to the community” considering the victims’ gender and age.


Huber, who was 18 years old at the time, threatened his brother and grandmother at their home with a knife, choked the brother, and demanded that they follow his orders. The complaint said the brother wanted to take Huber to a hospital, apparently for emergency mental health help, but Huber resisted. In the end, he was charged with strangulation and suffocation and false imprisonment, both of which are felony crimes.


snopes is #$cked....the left is twisted, amazing how they will continue to make heroes out of the most screwed up, whacked out miscreants and attack viciously anyone that they think opposed their world view...you need to read the snopes entire article to see how they desperately characterize each bit of info to turn the kid into a monster and the criminals into saints...it's pretty remarkable

But when a cops shoots an unarmed person all we hear from the usual suspects is they should have done this or should have done that . And the favorite do stupid things win stupid prizes

now you have someone clearly going to Pick a fight to defend property that isn’t his Juiced on Right wing ideas being praised by the police.. gets over his head and killed 2 people claiming self defense

but dead men can’t Claim self defense they are dead

And the one with a gun pointed at the kid suddenly is not allow to defend himself curious

Rittenhouse went their to look cool like he was some bad ass ( he was 17 and seems to have the maturity of a 15 year old .. not unusual but every adult failed that kid . He was used as a little proxy fighter for the MAGA and these militia cause, and is still being championed as a hero by these same groups .. and supported by them and their like mind followers

look at how is defense was funded .. you don’t see that everyday .


I have a hard time with these stand your ground or open carry self defense cases

so you are carrying a gun . start a fight start loosing the fight shoot the person you started the fight with and claim self defense?

Welcome to America
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who did he pick a fight with?...are you paying attention at all?

again...who did he start a fight with?

how CNN is describing the trial


(CNN)Despite last year's demonstrations supporting racial justice and substantive efforts at political reform, the system that devalues Black lives remains largely -- and powerfully -- intact.

Kyle Rittenhouse, the 18-year-old on trial in Kenosha, Wisconsin, for shooting three people and killing two of them, represents the epitome of White privilege in America run amok.

these people are brain damaged beyond repair at CNN

Scott if you think strapping on an AR 15 and walking into a riot isn't looking for a fight .. I can't imagine what you think would fit your version of looking for a fight?

Let's be honest all these wanna be Operators with their molly tactical vests ammo pouches and helmets complete with night vision mounts Ar 15's with their pistol grips and rail systems and ACOG and CCO optics walking around at protest or the capitol

Their not looking for a Fight or trying to intimidate anyone it's just an innocent 2A fashion show ...

you didn't answer the question

First I have to say this goes above and beyond the typical one line snarky post, but this is the only part I’d respond to. You ar3 the one who needs help with that fu*cked up perspective. So a teen carrying a weapon he couldn’t purchase and was illegally carrying goes across state lines to a two day running riot and he is there to not bother anyone, you clearly are wired directly into the far right news machine.

he was there to help. he didn’t go there and start shooting.

if you put every dime you had into a business that was being destroyed over an event you had absolutely nothing to do with, and your elected officials refused to protect you for political reasons, what would you do?

if he had the gun illegally, he’ll get charged for that.
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Got Stripers seems to be saying that if Rittenhouse did not defend himself, and he was killed he would have deserved to die and justice would have been served. I presume his defense of the killers would have been that they wouldn't have done it if he wasn't there. After all, they all knew that he had "crossed state lines." And they all knew that he was there to make trouble. And they all knew he was too young to be carrying the gun. And so, in actuality, they would have been defending themselves from what they all knew was this crazed lunatic who surely would have killed them if they didn't kill him first. And, after all, they were all upstanding legal citizens protecting their rights and their country.

Of course that wouldn't have been vigilantism. They were all good people. Rittenhouse is a bad person. Biden said so.

You fu*ck heads can spin it any which way, let’s ask a question I know none of you will answer honestly. If he was your son and you go visit him in lockup are you telling him your damn proud of him or asking him what the fu*ck were you thinking? He shouldn’t have crossed state lines carrying illegally and DeBarrs fu*cked assumption he is there somehow to help the business owners is complete BS.

Yes. He still wasn’t bothering anyone and there is no evidence that he threatened anyone. Didn’t he encounter some police during the time he was there helping? You’d think if he was doing something illegal or threatening people with a weapon he’d have been arrested….
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I knew you couldn’t answer the question honestly.

What was the question?

You made a statement…


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I assume you were referring to me (DeBarr--I like the way you made a prefix out of De--kind of like a classy French name). You seem a bit unhinged here, so that might explaina why you claim I had a "fu*cked up assumption" that I never said.

you asked, i’ll answer. if he was my son, i’d want to strangle him
when i picked him up. i’d ask him how he could have been so unbelievably stupid and reckless.

unfortunately for you and the rest of your liberal ilk, even stupid and reckless people
have the right to self defense.

the guy who survived, pointed a gun at Rittenhouses head from a few feet away. how is that not obvious self defense?

violent riots are not a good idea. they increase the likelihood of violent confrontations.


you asked a question, i answered. did you answer my question about what property owners are supposed to do in that situation ? i am stunned they don’t open fire with belt fed machine guns in that situation. i’m supposed to to go on welfare because of a bunch of feral, sociopathic morons who are mad at something i had nothing to do with? and because the cops i am paying with my taxes, are being told by cowardly elected officials not to confront and put down the rioters?

Yeah we’re the f*ckheads here.
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you didn’t answer mine.
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Tell me which property Rittenhouse was protecting that he owned or had a vested interest in?

how many questions of yours must i answer, before you answer one of mine?

where does it say one can only protect property they own? where does it say one cannot help out someone else?

my god man. you’re saying it’s a character flaw to do something for someone else. jesus. how do you arrive at something that twisted?
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^^^^someone has issues.....

and, isn't it reported, and I think it was confirmed by politifact that the kid was actually thanked by police for being there and given water by them?