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when You put time in and hard time, the last thing ya need is to have your spot burned I been fishin all my life and was gifted and caught alot of large fish and alot of small fish also. countless 30 and 40 lb bass I have gone 1 year with only 1 fish that was 35.5 inches long any one remeber that decade :bsod: I have fished the islands and sold bass , basicly the whole 9 yards. My old map is gone but there was notes all over it and You know what,,,, its time to learn other places here on the cape and I know alot of stuff here, to be a guide I gots to but one thing I do know is You never stop learning the fishing has been hard here as the fish been of shore and isolated pods come in to chow the bait. quite frank most of this post is friggen stupid get of Ya duff put ya time in and make your own goddamn reports and stay the hell outa bait shops it aint worth the prize money trust me........ |
Well said Dave, its all about putting your time in on the water. I have been surfcasting for 5 years and did not get my first keeper until last year. There were alot of fishless nights and self doubt. I stuck to it though and it's paid off. Fishing is not all about catching fish for me though, its about being outdoors. I think you become too frustrated if you expect to catch everytime your out there.
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The old timers that are still at it now are doing it for love of the sport. In the past, there was a monetary incentive to fish more and talk less. The money kept you at it longer and harder than it does now for the most part. Access on the backside of the cape and elsewhere is part of the issue too. Most of the old timers I know now fished for money in the past as it was good incentive, considering in today's dollars you could earn over $1000 a night if everything went right. If that were the case today, you would see a lot more people on the water during the wee hours.
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Trust me, if I feel like it, I'll call anyone or anything out on something. Like I'm doing now... There are two people who would be considered "old guard" and have caught a lot more then "a 50" from shore that spend plenty of time helping the younger crowd in Newport. They don't give out spots (not their good ones anyways) but they definitely are very generous with everything else including their time. They live anything but "a lonely existence" but they are great surfcasters. They're the old guard I respect and I can also perfectly respect being protective of spots; reference also any tuna thread on this board, I'm sure you'll notice me slamming the ProJo or anything else related to spot burning. Try taking everyone one at a time instead of assuming everyone younger then you is a useless, spot burning surfcaster. To say "The whole attitude now is different, I will stick with the old timers, and the steves of the world, they just get it!" is completely ignorant. I really don't think there is a big divide between "new and old guard" anyways. |
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Hey does this mean my money isnt green if I come into your store? :buds: |
I'd like to respond to Pete's post. I only met "#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&" about 4 months ago although I knew of him from my late partner Gil Guilletone. Gil had always told me that "Bill Nolan is a hardcore surfman and a good fisherman."
Bill is cut from a different cloth than the run of the mill surfcaster. He is passionate about his craft and to him it is a craft. It's not "just fishing" It part of who he is. I fish with a couple of guys who do not post on any internet site and they also believe that surfishing is "part of who we are". Some of #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&'s post rub some people the wrong way but, as with anyone who is passionate about something, this will happen. Bill is the consummate surfcaster, a dedicated surfman and a decent guy. He may state his opinions in a way that offends some people but who on this board has not offened someone. let's keep this whole thing is perspecive. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I see no useful purpose served by calling people ignorant for what they believe in. Now, that's my opinion, for whatever it's worth. |
well, maybe not as hardcore as I used to be but still love it !! And always will
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You're always more then welcome in the shop, in fact we'd probably get along pretty well as I really enjoy spending hours talking with McKenna through the winter. Sorry if I come off a little agressive on this subject; I just really don't share your view on the younger crowd. We need more surfcasters like Dennis to protect access and generally be ambassadors of the sport; and without influence from guys like him there is the potential, as you put it, for us not to "get it". |
%$%$%$%$ like this is why I prefer to fish alone. :doh:
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Just a few thoughts about this thread:
We were all FNGs (googans) in the past. Days of today will be someone's "old days" eventually. You may think your spot is a secret – but you can be sure someone knows about it. They just turn around when they see you there. For Flap: Amen - "I talk to myself while I fish – most times it’s the only company I want." Excerpted from "The Snowstorm Blitz": "Guys in the know who kept quiet were often bailing bass in relative obscurity. You tried to avoid crowds of anglers, kept a low profile and above all, didn’t talk. It was considered an act of courtesy to not ask another angler where he caught his fish. If you did, you deserved a lie.” For #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&: Where are you catching your fish? I know – "here and there" Have a great weekend everyone. DZ |
Excerpted from "The Snowstorm Blitz":
"Guys in the know who kept quiet were often bailing bass in relative obscurity. You tried to avoid crowds of anglers, kept a low profile and above all, didn’t talk. It was considered an act of courtesy to not ask another angler where he caught his fish. If you did, you deserved a lie.” DZ[/QUOTE] Now that pumps me up!! Awesome! |
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If i fished with him i'd call him sweet phart :hihi:
I gotta get up there this fall some how some way. |
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Well, the old guard hadn't lost it last night. Old #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& and I had 11 fish between 15 and 21 lbs. All on eels in SoCo RI. :jump:
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Advance warning: This is meant in jest as a joke, take no offense.
Boy, while the "old guard" guys in here like to say how secretive and close-to-the vest they are, they sure like to post their successes all over the place - even in the PROJO - :jester: Again -- just bustin. |
Come on Joe, I even told you were we got the fish...SoCo RI. How much more open can I be? :cputin: :uhuh: :wave:
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Here's a quick question, what do you consider "the old guard"? I'm 26, but I have been fishing for close to 20 years of my life. When I started out way back when, I fished just about as hard as I do now. Believe it or not, I was out all night long with my dad pounding the surf with eels and plugs from May into December. Ask my mom, it lead to my parent's divorce. I started out a little green as we all do, and I made my share of mistakes, but I learned from them. My dad would push me out of the truck with a small bucket of eels, conventional rod in hand, his old waders on me pulled up and cinched tight with an old belt, and drive down the beach until I couldn't see him any more. Before he left, he would tell me to fish until we met in the middle. I was out there learning the jetty rotation, how to fish plugs/jigs/eels/etc..., learning to read the beach, and so on before I sprouted my first short and curly.
Don't get so caught up on the age thing. Pre-judging us "young guys" does nothing more than make you look the fool. I know just as many, if not more, older bad seeds than I do young guys. I'm proud to be a part of the crew I run with. We are the future of this sport. Don't piss us off or cross us the wrong way, we'll be choosing which nursing home you'll be staying in... :jester: |
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Any of you "Old Guard" yank any 40's from the suds yet this season? :hidin:
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Fifty's are overated.Alot of good anglers today don't have one yet.They are comin though.T lap would surely have one if he was from another era.
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I agree NIB....thats why I don't have one yet! :bl:
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it was a joke NIB :tooth: ....im a wise arse....I dont doubt T-Lap is a good fisherman....that kinda what I meant
how big, how many, how long.....who cares...its fishing...thats my opinion, I know some people are super serious ....I like it to be fun |
20 year's = young sprout
44 yr's= old 60 yr's = I bow to them and say yes sir. |
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U know I always try to keep a open mind.when reading into people.I can't help myself on this one.Eel dude perhaps if u take a few steps away from the computer an make believe ur me.Then read this post.sounds to me like ur pretty full of urself.Nobody with any class wants to fish in another mans bootprints.Share what u know i have seen some good posts by u.Perhaps u can change things, perhaps nobody took the newbloods by the hand an told them how to act.driving a wedge in only will make matters worse.Its all about respect an in order to get it u have to give some.I am by no means young anymore or new to the sport.dressin like johnny Cash, cuffin ur smokes,the only time u turned a light on was to get the hook out of ur hand.I fished primarily from 12 midnite till false dawn an no matter how good u where gettin em u had to leave or be seen.thats how i was taught.I don't take things to those extremes anymore.I do certainly guard my privacy though.The shop down the street that takes the pics of every fish an puts pics in the paper runs a contest wit a sizable cash prize.He has my name on the board in second the last 2 yrs.i was the only one wit no pics.Never do u see my name in the paper or for that matter do i call myself a surf magician say ya i got a fifty.(I might if I had one).my truck has no tell tale signs on a fisherman inside.no stickers nothing looks like a work van.The point is; the devil won't get ur goat if he can't find it.The internet is a great thing filled wit info any starvin for S-B young buck can sink there teeth into.It for those that know Like Urself an Mike P to share.I truely believe in karma...Time is a at a premium these days an the corner tackle shop BS is basically a thing of the past.the new way is the internet embrace it or don't.the choice is ours. |
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Fishin is not the same for everone.i enjoy the sport, the hunt an the finally conquest.I cannot disregaurd all the fine friends I have made along the way.It's my life an i am enjoyin it.A good fish is just icing on the cake. |
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Thats the way I was told. Now can u make 45=old. |
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(part of who we are) thats what makes our little internet community so special we all share part of who we are for the love of the sport.In this thread BM an Flap have shown their dissaproval of this thread along with DZ.Now I have read an witnessed countles presentaions or how to's by all three of these fine fisherman. |
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Tim Coleman wrote an article a number of years ago entitled "The Last Man Walking". If you are out in the surf at the end of November, 20 degrees and the wind NW at 25 looking for that one last fish then I think you qualify as the old guard. |
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I don't know #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& but I enjoy 85 % of what he posts. What we must understand and what he must understand is there are maybe only a dozen guys in the north east coast who fish as often or as hard as he does from the shore. To him thats a compliment. I would prob never dedicate that much time to surf fishing. I love it but it doesn't consume my life. Does that mean I don't "get it" maybe but I'm fine with that. :topic: I have other passions too. I could probably out ski all of you in the winter. You may going skiing once and a while but I'm ver serious about it. I could tell you the best spots to ski after a certain storm. The honey holes for powder and isolation. Where hidden trails are but that would be "spot burning". :kewl: To each and to ones own |
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Piemma -- I told you I was just kidding - :kewl:
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I'd be careful with Piemma if I were you. Last night he called me while I was standing on a rock and berated me for not catching as many fish as #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&.
Did I just get hazed ??? :doh: :hee: -spence |
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