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Tagger 12-11-2006 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by slow eddie (Post 440656)
IMO 1 SRV
2 ERIC C.
3 LESLIE WEST

Yes... that Album with Mississississppi Queen on it is a winner ,,Mountain,, Leslie West... all the songs on that disc are good ... gotta get that CD

sok 12-11-2006 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 440598)
How about this one...Guitar worlds top 100 Metal Guitarists....different look. This is a great Thread to kill the day too. Its good to see what everybody's take is on music.

1. Tony Iommi (Black Sabbath)
2. Kirk Hammett & James Hetfield (Metallica)
3. Angus & Malcolm Young (AC/DC)
4. Randy Rhoads (Ozzy Osbourne)
5. Eddie Van Halen (Van Halen)
6. Jimmy Page (Led Zeppelin)
7. Dimebag Darrell (Pantera, Damageplan)
8. Zakk Wylde (Ozzy Osbourne, Black Label Society)
9. Adam Jones (Tool)
10. Kerry King & Jeff Hanneman (Slayer)
11. Dave Murray & Adrian Smith (Iron Maiden)
12. Jimi Hendrix
13. Glen Tipton & K.K. Downing (Judas Priest)
14. Ace Frehley & Paul Stanley (Kiss)
15. Slash (Guns N' Roses)
16. Ritchie Blackmore (Deep Purple, Rainbow)
17. Yngwie Malmsteen
18. Joe Perry & Brad Whitford (Aerosmith)
19. Dave Mustaine & Marty Friedman (Megadeth)
20. Chuck Schuldiner (Death)
21. Brian May (Queen)
22. Michael Schenker (Msg, Ufo)
23. Nigel Tufnel (Spinal Tap)
24. Jeff Beck
25. Tom Morello (Rage Against The Machine)
26. Head & Munky (Korn)
27. John Petrucci (Dream Theater)
28. Kim Thayil (Soundgarden)
29. Vivian Campbell (Def Leppard)
30. Daron Malakian (System Of A Down)
31. Scott Ian (Anthrax)
32. Tom G. Warrior (Celtic Frost)
33. Chris Degarmo & Michael Wilton (Queensryche)
34. C.C. Deville
35. Marten Hagström & Fredrik Thorndendal (Meshuggah)
36. Alex Lifeson (Rush)
37. Paul Gilbert (Mr. Big, Racer X)
38. Jerry Cantrell (Alice In Chains)
39. Mantas (Venom)
40. Jason Becker (Dave Lee Roth)
41. Phil Collen & Steve Clarke (Def Leppard)
42. Mikael Åkerfeldt & Peter Lindgren (Opeth)
43. Fast Eddie Clarke (Motorhead)
44. Nuno Bettencourt (Extreme)
45. Warren Demartini (Ratt)
46. Mick Mars (Motley Crue)
47. George Lynch (Dokken)
48. Ted Nugent
49. Jake E. Lee (Ozzy Osbourne, Badlands)
50. Rudolf Schenker & Uli John Roth (Scorpions)
51. Oystein "Euronymous" Aarseth (Mayhem)
52. Scott Gorham & Brian Robertson (Thin Lizzy)
53. Steve Vai (Dave Lee Roth)
54. Reb Beach (Winger, Dokken)
55. Trey Azagthoth (Morbid Angel)
56. John Sykes (Thin Lizzy, Blue Murder)
57. Hank Shermann & Michael Denner (Mercyful Fate)
58. Richie Sambora (Bon Jovi)
59. Jon Donais & Matt Backhand (Shadows Fall)
60. Stephen Carpenter (Deftones)
61. Alex Skolnick & Eric Peterson (Testament)
62. Brian Tatler (Diamond Head)
63. John Christ (Danzig)
64. Scott "Wino" Weinrich (The Obsessed)
65. Pepper Keenan & Woody Weatherman (C.O.C.)
66. Tommy Victor (Prong)
67. Leslie West (Mountain)
68. Vernon Reid (Living Colour)
69. Glen Buxton & Michael Bruce (Alice Cooper)
70. Bjorn Gelotte & Jesper Stromblad (In Flames)
71. Jim Matheos (Fates Warning)
72. Gary Holt & Rick Hunolt (Exodus)
73. Donald Buck Dharma Roeser (Blue Oyster Cult)
74. Michael Amott (Arch Enemy)
75. Robert Fripp (King Crimson)
76. Andre Olbrich (Blind Guardian)
77. Joe Satriani
78. Frank Hannon & Tommy Skeoch (Tesla)
79. Ty Tabor (King's X)
80. Mark Morton & Will Adler (Lamb Of God)
81. Dino Cazares (Fear Factory)
82. Pete Townshend (The Who)
83. Jon Schaffer (Iced Earth)
84. Timo Tolkki (Stratovarius)
85. Neil Young
86. Abbath Doom Occulta (Immortal)
87. Kai Hansen (Gamma Ray)
88. Uffe Cederlund & Alex Hellid (Entombed)
89. Leigh Stephens (Blue Cheer)
90. Jim Martin (Faith No More)
91. Michael Romeo (Symphony X)
92. Bill Steer (Carcass)
93. Piggy (Voivod)
94. Tony Bourge (Budgie)
95. Sammy Hagar (Van Halen)
96. Alexi Laiho (Children Of Bodom)
97. Akira Takasaki (Loudness)
98. Michael Angelo
99. John Kay & Michael Monarh (Steppenwolf)
100. Nick Bowcott (Grim Reaper)

Best I can tell I have seen 75 off your list.
Voivod?
I thought I was the only one left alive that still remembers them.
And it includes Ted.
The older stuff was great.

Raider Ronnie 12-11-2006 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFish (Post 440613)
Yngvey Malmsteen (who cares how you spell it!) and Steve Vai are nothing but alot of noise! They can't hold the jock of some of classic rocks heavy hitters! Best I ever saw was Stevie Ray.....head, shoulders and ankles above any of the rest I have seen! And I seen a few!

Eddie Van Halen.....was great but in his own genre. He could not play with the Claptons and SRV's of the world!


I can't believe it, but I totally agree with you Larry on this one!!!
Lindsey B#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&gham is awesome also !!!
One of the best I've ever seen live was a guy who played with Chuck Mangione back in the 1970 -80s ?
I think his name was Vics Vidalah

sok 12-11-2006 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie (Post 440729)
I can't believe it, but I totally agree with you Larry on this one!!!
Lindsey B#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&gham is awesome also !!!
One of the best I've ever seen live was a guy who played with Chuck Mangione back in the 1970 -80s ?
I think his name was Vics Vidalah

I can agree with Malmsteen being a lot of noise but Vai had some talent.
Not any of the newer radio friendly crap.
The older stuff with Stu Hamm.

One more nobody mentioned.

Joe Walsh

BigFish 12-11-2006 10:41 PM

I will give you Vai may have had a bit of talent!:)

Linsey B#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&gham......first concert I ever saw was Fleetwood Mac! Lindsey B#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&gham left a lasting impression on me......and I have seen some of the best since....and I always remember the way he burned that guitar!:uhuh:

Ron....we agree on alot....but we disagree on more!:jump1:

BigFish 12-11-2006 10:45 PM

Oh .......and CAL....big Jeff Healey fan here! You got the album "Cover to Cover"?:btu:

nightprowler 12-11-2006 11:09 PM

joe satriani, that guy is amazing!!!:smokin: :boots:

MartinD18 12-12-2006 05:45 AM

Man, you guys need to grow up! :jester: The "how many notes per second" thing is so boring. We have a GREAT guitarist right here in New England who can play rock, jazz, swing and especially BLUES better than just about anyone else: Duke Robillaird. If you've never seen him, get out there and do it! Class, style, soul - and he doesn't need to hide behind a distortion box to do it! Do yourself a favor and hear Duke.

BigFish 12-12-2006 07:23 AM

"How many notes a second"........if that is how anyone is judgeing a guitar players talent they might want to find another interest!:rolleyes: I will take one long and properly bent SRV or Clapton note infused with emotion, feeling and commitment than 1 million of any "speed metal pretenders" notes any day of the week! :cool:

Raider Ronnie 12-12-2006 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFish (Post 440784)
"How many notes a second"........if that is how anyone is judgeing a guitar players talent they might want to find another interest!:rolleyes: I will take one long and properly bent SRV or Clapton note infused with emotion, feeling and commitment than 1 million of any "speed metal pretenders" notes any day of the week! :cool:


I agree again Larry!!!
Carlos Santana does more with one note than all those speed metal players also !!!

afterhours 12-12-2006 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr (Post 440549)
On the topic on of great local guitarists Neil Vitulo of Young Neil and the Vipers must be near the top. He's been known to catch a couple of fish too.

yup, damned good guitarist and fisherman!

The Dad Fisherman 12-12-2006 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie (Post 440785)
Carlos Santana does more with one note than all those speed metal players also !!!

Just listen to Europa.......its spectacular how he makes the guitar sing on that song.

RIJIMMY 12-12-2006 09:29 AM

Prof M, I am a practicing and performing jazz guitarist and I agree 100% with you on the talent of jazz vs many of teh names included on here. Eric Clapton could not get on stage and play through a basic jazz stanadrd like All the Tings You Are, he jusy couldnt. BUT.....I think you have to draw the line, jazz and rock are very differnet and really have differnet purposes. Jazz is sort of art for teh sake of art, some people can "hear" it, others cannot. Joe PAss and Wes Monthgomery are my favorites and major influences.
I began playing guitar in the early 80s and still enjoy Eddie VH, Vai, Satriani and Stevie Ray. As a jazz guitarist, I LOVE AC-DC, Angus is awesome, he plays with all he has and to me, its sounds cool.I was a huge LEd Zep fan but I rememeber first hearing Pride and Joy on the radio by SRV and saying, "man, I have to play that" and saved up to buy my first guitar. I thinks its not fair to say that jazz guys are way better, since its a differnet thing. The more I studied jazz, the more I started listening to old country guys, and western swing, old blues, swing, gypsy jazz. There is SO much music most of us have never heard becasue of exposure. I enjoy all of it.

ProfessorM 12-12-2006 09:45 AM

I'll usually judge a guitarist by his knowledge of chords more than how loud and fast he can play. Don't get me wrong I like loud fast music but not everyone can do both. Listening to Tony Rice play chords on his Martin or Steve Morse with the Dregs is what floats my boat. It all depends what mood I am in. One day I like Ozzy next I'm listening to Harry Connick JR. There are just way too variables in styles to have a best. I like them all, well except Joan Jett. Very interesting listening to what different people listen too. Funny that we all like music but are turned off by certain things others like. Not a bad thing, just interesting.

ProfessorM 12-12-2006 10:03 AM

RIJIMMY My taste's have changed a lot over the years. I love jazz and I'd say 50% of my music I listen to now is Jazz. I am also on a Bluegrass and Celtic kick too the last several years. There is so much good music out there that is just overlooked by so many of the younger people because they are not exposed to it. I have a 6 year old that is taking piano lessons and I try to expose her to many different types of music so she can form a well rounded knowledge, with a emphasis on reading music. Reading opens so many doors in music. I wish I had learned. I think I prefer any music that combines different types or styles into their sound. The possibilities are endless. Joe Pass is really about as good as it gets when you talk about jazz guitar IMO.

The Dad Fisherman 12-12-2006 10:04 AM

Nobody mentioned Ronnie Montrose....another great Guitarist

ProfessorM 12-12-2006 10:15 AM

Different = Stanley Jordan, how about Vince Gill the guy can play. Loud and fast Frank Marino. Woman Emily Remler. I mean if you really sit down and think of it you can come up with 100's of individuals' that can play the crap out of the instrument. I wish one was me. I gave up guitar 10 years ago. I have 2 Les Pauls, a Strat, and several acoustics just sitting in cases in my upstairs room that haven't been opened in years. My daughter doesn't know how lucky she will be if she wants to play guitar in the future. I'd rather listen to music than play it .

RIJIMMY 12-12-2006 10:34 AM

And, as Im sure you know, Frank Z is one of the cooooolest players ever, noone sounds like him.

ProfessorM 12-12-2006 10:43 AM

Yup, but not for the masses. Not just a good player but his writing is what set's him apart. Lots of variety in his stuff. BF Larry's favorite Band:scream:

spence 12-12-2006 10:52 AM

For pure technical skill most jazz players will have the edge. Even more so for drums than guitar.

But in the rock guitarists it's the entire performance that counts.

-spence

RickBomba 12-12-2006 11:04 AM

Cast another vote for deaner from the Bombas. Young Mike and I readily progniosticate to him.
Last time I saw those guys was the day before I sold my marital house. They played for like three hours!!!
Maybe the best show I've ever seen, which says a lot beacuse I really only like punk and metal.
Deaner is God!
Rick
PS-I ate a pizza next to Dean and Gene after work one night in Jersey, had no idea it was them. Realized afterwards that I was like 5 miles from where they recorded "The Pod."

MarshCappa 12-12-2006 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 440498)
This might help get things going. This is from Rolling Stone. Who's Missing? Who is rated higher/lower than they should be? These lists always fuel some good debate


I mean Kurt Cobain at #12...ahead of Bo Diddley and Carlos Santana???

Is Keith Richards REALLY worthy of a Top 10 Slot??

Where's Roy Clark? Not my style of Music but you can't take away the Fact that he Wails on the Guitar.

The 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time

1Jimi Hendrix
2 Duane Allman of the Allman Brothers Band
3 B.B. King
4 Eric Clapton
5 Robert Johnson
6 Chuck Berry
7 Stevie Ray Vaughan
8 Ry Cooder
9 Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin
10 Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones
11 Kirk Hammett of Metallica
12 Kurt Cobain of Nirvana
13 Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead
14 Jeff Beck
15 Carlos Santana
16 Johnny Ramone of the Ramones
17 Jack White of the White Stripes
18 John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers
19 Richard Thompson
20 James Burton
21 George Harrison
22 Mike Bloomfield
23 Warren Haynes
24 The Edge of U2
25 Freddy King
26 Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave
27 Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits
28 Stephen Stills
29 Ron Asheton of the Stooges
30 Buddy Guy
31 #^&#^&#^&#^& Dale
32 John Cipollina of Quicksilver Messenger Service
33 & 34 Lee Ranaldo, Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth
35 John Fahey
36 Steve Cropper of Booker T. and the MG's
37 Bo Diddley
38 Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac
39 Brian May of Queen
40 John Fogerty of Creedence Clearwater Revival
41 Clarence White of the Byrds
42 Robert Fripp of King Crimson
43 Eddie Hazel of Funkadelic
44 Scotty Moore
45 Frank Zappa
46 Les Paul
47 T-Bone Walker
48 Joe Perry of Aerosmith
49 John McLaughlin
50 Pete Townshend
51 Paul Kossoff of Free
52 Lou Reed
53 Mickey Baker
54 Jorma Kaukonen of Jefferson Airplane
55 Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple
56 Tom Verlaine of Television
57 Roy Buchanan
58 #^&#^&#^&#^&ey Betts
59 & 60 Jonny Greenwood, Ed O'Brien of Radiohead
61 Ike Turner
62 Zoot Horn Rollo of the Magic Band
63 Danny Gatton
64 Mick Ronson
65 Hubert Sumlin
66 Vernon Reid of Living Colour
67 Link Wray
68 Jerry Miller of Moby Grape
69 Steve Howe of Yes
70 Eddie Van Halen
71 Lightnin' Hopkins
72 Joni Mitchell
73 Trey Anastasio of Phish
74 Johnny Winter
75 Adam Jones of Tool
76 Ali Farka Toure
77 Henry Vestine of Canned Heat
78 Robbie Robertson of the Band
79 Cliff Gallup of the Blue Caps (1997)
80 Robert Quine of the Voidoids
81 Derek Trucks
82 David Gilmour of Pink Floyd
83 Neil Young
84 Eddie Cochran
85 Randy Rhoads
86 Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath
87 Joan Jett
88 Dave Davies of the Kinks
89 D. Boon of the Minutemen
90 Glen Buxton of Alice Cooper
91 Robby Krieger of the Doors
92 & 93 Fred "Sonic" Smith, Wayne Kramer of the MC5
94 Bert Jansch
95 Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine
96 Angus Young of AC/DC
97 Robert Randolph
98 Leigh Stephens of Blue Cheer
99 Greg Ginn of Black Flag
100 Kim Thayil of Soundgarden


Seitzter dosn't make my list at all. I saw him at Lupos back in the day and wasn't that impressed. Where's Robert Cray on this list? One of the best live performances I ever saw? I'm partial to Jerry Garcia as well but one of my all time favorites has to be BB King. I saw him a couple of times and he is just simply awesome!

bart 12-12-2006 04:20 PM

Eben
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoGYx6iQeHY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7IPjcb-UlA

this one's nasty old school sheet from '00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeaG0bjYaoo

Backbeach Jake 12-12-2006 06:49 PM

John Lennon, it came to him easy. And George Harrison. Lennon would say do it like this when Harrison, a great guitarist himself, struggled. James Taylor, pick up an album and just listen to his work. Clean.

BigFish 12-12-2006 07:29 PM

Huge James Taylor fan here!:btu:

afterhours 12-12-2006 07:31 PM

JT- just listened to mexico and shower the people. i remember partying with him and livingston on MV way back in the day....

RIJIMMY 12-13-2006 11:03 AM

Ok, a few more...this thread must not die...
I was thinking of RIR original intenet of this post last night and thought of two guitarists that, every time I have heard them, I was impressed with the solos, both style and originallity. I also think they both did not make the lists posted here because of the same reason....
1. Peter Frampton - the live stuff from Frampton comes alive, is excellent guitar playing. Style wise, he is a few notches above many of his 70's contemporaries, and yes, I mean a lot of the BIG 70's guitar names. Listen next time its on the radio, he does not play alot of the same "blues" based lines most other players do.
2. Neil Schon, from Journey. I think his playing is fantastic. The first few Journey albums were almost progressive rock and Schon plays some blistering leads. Even when Journey went lame, he still played very lyrical and tasteful solos. Great player IMHO.

Why do I think they are overlooked and underrated? Becasue of the "girl" appeal. Frampton was not taken seriously after his teeny bopper appeal. And Journey became a lame ballad teen age girl band. Both of these guys are great guitar players, very unique styles, technical and tasteful.....

ProfessorM 12-13-2006 03:04 PM

Schon was a child protege if I am not mistaken. well schooled in the instument. Good answer.

LeCounts1099 12-13-2006 06:25 PM

Schon
 
Yes, RI J! Great name! As far as under- rated specifically, Schon is among the top of that list. Forget later/ commercial Journey. Do yourself a favor-- if you love/ appreciate great "heavy metal" Guitar skills, get the first few Journy albums (pre- S. Perry)... and I guarantee you Neil's playing will blow you away.

Equally under-rated, but still great (that "R.S. Top- 100 List" was a total joke! Retarded! :bshake: ):

Dave Mason/ Chris Wood (both!), from Traffic/ solo; Dave Davies/ Kinks; Santana; Tom Sholz from Boston-- agreed John. R.!... Randy Rhodes (he's NOT the "best Heavy Metal" guitarist ever?? Tony I. is ??) ... Gary Ritchrath from REO Speedwagon (yes, the early stuff!!)... Neil Geraldo/ Pat Benatar's band (1st three albums)... Blackmore yes... Beck is almost forgotten... Steve Howe no one even mentioned? Anyone ever hear of Martin Barre? (Jethro Tull-- awesome guitarist!)... the Cars Elliot Easton was under- rated (though not "great")...

I can go on, but won't!... As said, of course here re. music to each his own! :happy:

MrHunters 12-13-2006 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickBomba (Post 440844)
Cast another vote for deaner from the Bombas. Young Mike and I readily progniosticate to him.
Last time I saw those guys was the day before I sold my marital house. They played for like three hours!!!
Maybe the best show I've ever seen, which says a lot beacuse I really only like punk and metal.
Deaner is God!
Rick
PS-I ate a pizza next to Dean and Gene after work one night in Jersey, had no idea it was them. Realized afterwards that I was like 5 miles from where they recorded "The Pod."

See BF... you have no idea what you are missing.

See them live and you will never feel the same about music again.

Deaner fishes the shores of Jersey. Hes been striper fishing most of his life......

The man IS god....at least with a guitar

http://www.chocodog.com/chocodog/bea...s/image004.jpg
http://www.chocodog.com/chocodog/bea...s/image010.jpg
http://www.chocodog.com/chocodog/bea...s/image002.jpg

BigFish 12-13-2006 07:15 PM

You can keep him all to yourself....sucks IMO!

MrHunters 12-13-2006 07:17 PM

ok fine.


:)

Raider Ronnie 12-13-2006 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 441186)
Ok, a few more...this thread must not die...
I was thinking of RIR original intenet of this post last night and thought of two guitarists that, every time I have heard them, I was impressed with the solos, both style and originallity. I also think they both did not make the lists posted here because of the same reason....
1. Peter Frampton - the live stuff from Frampton comes alive, is excellent guitar playing. Style wise, he is a few notches above many of his 70's contemporaries, and yes, I mean a lot of the BIG 70's guitar names. Listen next time its on the radio, he does not play alot of the same "blues" based lines most other players do.
2. Neil Schon, from Journey. I think his playing is fantastic. The first few Journey albums were almost progressive rock and Schon plays some blistering leads. Even when Journey went lame, he still played very lyrical and tasteful solos. Great player IMHO.

Why do I think they are overlooked and underrated? Becasue of the "girl" appeal. Frampton was not taken seriously after his teeny bopper appeal. And Journey became a lame ballad teen age girl band. Both of these guys are great guitar players, very unique styles, technical and tasteful.....



Neil Schon started out as a teenager with Santana

ProfessorM 12-14-2006 10:34 AM

M.Barre :kewl: Dave Mason's version of All Along The Watchtower is the best I have heard, plays one of the best Wha Wha's on Shouldn't of took more than you gave too.

ProfessorM 12-14-2006 12:05 PM

Here is one for Bigfish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TiZfTG_I60

ProfessorM 12-14-2006 12:12 PM

Here is a real underrated guy. A Barry Manilow look a like I know but he is awesome. Not Alvin Lee but Albert Lee. I know even Larry will like him as he has backed up Clapton on many of his tours. The guy's style is clean and fast. I just love his pickin. P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqcUBdNaHq8

ProfessorM 12-14-2006 12:14 PM

Another one. Hope it is not too country for you but his playing is fantastic. Barry Manilow or what??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFbyiHyF07w

ProfessorM 12-14-2006 12:27 PM

My #1 vote on the underrated list . Just way too bad the guy took his own life because he is one of the all time best. Plays jazz, country, blues, studio work you name it he can do it. Funny his blues sound had a little of the Telley Roy Bucanhan sound and Roy killed himself too. Way better than Roy though IMO. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzPRfojMZ1E

ProfessorM 12-14-2006 12:31 PM

Another

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJCyABnw1fc

ProfessorM 12-14-2006 12:38 PM

I have way too much time on my hands. Here is another. IMO one of the best acoustic players and flatpickers out there. A bluegrass player. Tony Rice. What a sound .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xswwX...elated&search=


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