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But I agree, misplaced. Personally I don't care that much, but there's no question many care VERY much about the move. |
...and...unless y'all are chewing on your VS' 24/7, it's unlikely you'll get sick from a Chinese-made VS.
unless, of course, the metal is radioactive. :bc: hey ya never know. :bl2: |
this thread comes down to two groups.one group being people who have an "IN" with VS supporting this s hit move, and the other, previous and current owners feeling deceived by the company that is now making their supposed american made 700 dollar reel over in china at a cheaper price.
i think VS should come out from hiding and explain themselves instead of tackle shops always defending them. a lot of people bought VS because of the whole notion of them being American made. I think a lot of people feel cheated by this move.. |
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If parts start busting look at where it breaks and you can tell if it was cast or solid stock. Lots of places machine sand cast parts - bodies of the reels & spools for example. If it was machined you can look at the inside of it or the bottom of it and see where it was cast. No hiding machine marks or cast marks. :)
Huge cost difference between cast parts & cnc parts!!! Companies look for ways to save money so watch out. Pay attention to the anodizing as well. ;) Time will tell what will happen. |
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When you're trading with a country that has zero IP protection, little environmental or worker protection laws etc... that's not a level playing field. Granted, some of this we've done to our selves by regulating many types of manufacturing out of the USA. -spence |
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worker protection? again, all this comes with time! nothing stays static ... chalk these up to growing pains! now, i'm not defending China. but, understand, a hundredfold growth of industrical activity within two decades ... that takes its toll on the Chinese too! you can't pin all of this on Van Staal. ! |
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But there's a big difference between the industrial revolution or even the big manufactuing rise in the middle part of this centrury. That being a more global economy is putting even more pressure on China (and other developing nations for that matter) and that global businesses (including a lot of US businesses) are directly involved with Chinese (or other) operations. There's a good reason why US companies get called to the mat when news of rampant workforce or environmental problems exist in operations overseen by US companies. It's as if they're getting away with something by hiding the behavior overseas. This of course, I don't blame on Zebco :zup: -spence |
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Increasingly, “good” press on forums is no press. And once you are getting press (good or bad) on the forums the best case scenario is that it falls off the main page and is forgotten. If you get praise you want to take it and run for the hills before it all goes horribly wrong. Tackle Direct getting murdered on SOL a little ways back is a perfect example. Not only did good press spiral into a hate fest it was also a perfect example of where someone from Tackle Direct probably shouldn’t have even responded as it just prolonged what looked to me was a somewhat undeserved beating. I felt bad for them even as a competitor because the SWE could be one mis-shipped package or screw up away from that sort of nightmare. No one is perfect. Now simultaneously I’m not saying there should be any sort of censorship and people shouldn’t hold back their experiences. That’s exactly what’s good about forums. I’m just pointing out how a lot people look at it. It’s kind of like at work, unless you’re lucky enough to work in a place that constantly recognizes what you do well. Most people probably rarely hear about it when they do something right but hear about it EVERY time they screw up. No one seemed to give a damn VS is working on setting up a service center at Rivers End, for example. Just think of what a formal VS response to all this would do. A thread like that would probably have a half-life of a thousand years barring a lock from a moderator. Bottomline is manufacturers, plug builders, and anyone else simultaneously enjoys, but more often then not fears seeing their name mentioned in forums, even when it’s good. It’s too bad because most come to the conclusion (and they’re right most of the time) that no response is a better response. Which really defeats the whole purpose and positives of online forums. I hindsight I probably shouldn’t be responding to this thread now… :bsod: :hee: |
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hockey games and banjo music?monster trucks back to topic- have fished shimano for years and have always been happy. been drooling over the vs for a while and my plans to buy one this winter have not changed. |
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hee-haw johnny carson gilligan's island the brady bunch i could go on. :hihi: |
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Ducks falls from the ceiling. It is unfortunate but this is often true. How does one fix / prevent / get around this? Not sue but I "THINK" the answer has been successfully applied by certain companies "INVOLVED" in the community. I say think as my experience in this regard is pretty limited to here on S-B. Just a couple examples of places that can weather a negative blurb rather swimmingly are SWE and M&Ds. Cases where something's wrong are extremely rare and usually zero fault of the shop but a fully supportive and RATIONAL response from levelheaded members of the community (and level headed responses from the shops themselves) puts a positive light on doing business with that place. A legitimate turning of a negative into a positive... |
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Pete is right but on the other hand many sites have an obssesion with a few sponsors and if anything negative is brought up concerning them it is shot down. What if I were to say that I will never buy another aquaskinz dry top because I have owned two that both leaked within the first two weeks? I know I am not the only one with this complaint but yet you never hear about it. Some companies have the internet on lockdown, say something negative about said company and be completely bashed. Look at some of the threads in the sponsors specials, everytime a new thread is started by one company it is the same loyal followers that are quick to reply.
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alot of interesting post,togue nailed it pretty good.here's one to ponder,when ford closed some plants last year and union workers lost there jobs and towns became wastelands,ford posted a sign at workers parking lots stating only american made vehicles allowed in lots.just think if wal-mart only sold made in USA alot more mfg jobs and no china.
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ZeeBaas. Made down the street from me.
Zebco/Van Staal can keep their China crap. |
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Assembled from parts from where? |
Exactly...most everything today is made from components sourced around the world.
And while I'm moderately anti-China in theory, it's not fair to label goods from China as "crap". There certainly is a lot of crap for sure, but for some goods they can deliver top shelf quality. I was astounded when I saw that Ralph Lauren was having hand knit sweaters made in China for his most expensive Purple Label line of clothing. They are a thousand dollars each. -spence |
China's fairly experienced when it comes to textiles, Spence.
remember where silk came from, thousands of years ago. |
ZeeBaaS look sweet. Last time I looked I only saw it as a prototype, nice to see them for sale.
Now, if I could only win Mega Bucks I'd buy one or two...... |
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