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buckman 06-04-2008 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 594710)
common sense man... common sense. If you were my neighbor and I built a guest house on your property against your will, what would you do? Give me a kiss and polish my shoes? Sounds ridiculous doesnt it? The thing is that i would never do that in the first place.

So lets say I did build a guest house on your property and your screaming and yelling about it.. no one listens to you and those who do, say that my grandparents once owned your land so your out of luck.. you have no options so you use the only option you have left to get me off of your land... violence. Then people start paying attention to you and you think your going to get your way, but the people paying attention have labeled you as a terrorist. Now you have no way out.. you might as well just kill yourself, or better yet, kill me and yourself at the same time.. no one wins.

But.. If i had the decency to treat you right in the first place and respect your rights, we'd be having a cook out right now..

I could sell you the land:hee: Not a great analogy but I get your point. It's just that this is how the world works. things change, wars happen, land changes hands, and it is not going to be any different in our life time. No matter how many Prayers for Peace rallies you attend.

Nebe 06-04-2008 02:31 PM

once we kill them all, everything will be fine.

bombs away

likwid 06-04-2008 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 594715)
I don't believe for a minute that all Muslums are bad. But the terrorist that are beheading, blowing up schools and shrines, targeting children and killing all over the world are all Muslum. And Indonesia has had a few attacks of their own. It's no Utopia over there. The world is full of people living on land that was once owned by others. We are not British over here.

Where are they targeting children again?

What about the IRA? They're not muslims.
What about the wackos we've had here in the US? Not muslims.
Random bombings in the former soviet union? Yet again. Still not muslims.
Tamil Tigers? Not muslims.
Most of the conflicts in Africa? Not muslims.

And apparently you WANT us to be the British with kingdom building in the middle east and "killing all them muslims".

RIJIMMY 06-04-2008 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 594383)
I have thought much about Obama and this is what I come up with. In general, Obama truely stands for one main ideal. The well being of the masses of this country. The people who make up about 80% of this country. Mccain will tell you that you can have your guns.. McCain will tell you that your god is his god.. McCain will tell you that he is looking out for you, but in the end, when you look at how most republicns operate, they are really looking out for the top 1% of this country. Did you know that 1% of our population ownes 40% of the wealth in this country? In the past few years, more and more tax burdon has been shifted from this 1% and put on your shoulders and your kids shoulders. While you and I focus on working our butts off to make a hundered or 2 hundered grand a year, that 1% saves a hundred grand every month on the recent tax cuts. What the normal person earns in a year is chump change. The thing is this- What one needs to pay attention to is what course this country is going down.. Bush and McCain are obsessed with global issues and nation building.. Obama has his own nation to re-build. Ours.

Here we get to the crux of where I disagree Nebe with you and Obama. There is major disconnect on the wealth of this country. The days of old money and privledge are LONG gone. There are very few living off the family trust fund. And those that do, good for them, their families earned it. Obama has defined the wealthy as people making over 250k. Do you think the people that make say 250k to 1 million a year have it easy? They have to work and show results and have loads more pressure than most. I worked with people making big $ for most of my career. I've seen the sacrifices they make and the cost they pay. Yet Obama says, lets tax these people more! Well, these people have more expensive houses, they pay MORE property taxes, they have more expensive cars, they pay MORE property taxes. The more $ they make, the more income taxes they pay. The Obama plan is that teh people who work hard AND SUCCEED, must carry the burdern of those that don't. This country was built on hard work. The government should provide the opportunity to succeed, but not penalize those that do.
I wish I could find the exact quote, but he ended a speech by saying " We need to focus on healing and helping Americans"
I dont need healing, I don't need helping, and quite frankly its not the governments job to be sticking its nose in my business.

EarnedStripes44 06-04-2008 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 594409)
Man, we can't get away from that can we. The goal of the original mission was accomplished, we just forgot the next step.

Forgot the next step:shocked:

Your joking right?

RIJIMMY 06-04-2008 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 594710)
common sense man... common sense. If you were my neighbor and I built a guest house on your property against your will, what would you do? Give me a kiss and polish my shoes? Sounds ridiculous doesnt it? The thing is that i would never do that in the first place.

So lets say I did build a guest house on your property and your screaming and yelling about it.. no one listens to you and those who do, say that my grandparents once owned your land so your out of luck.. you have no options so you use the only option you have left to get me off of your land... violence. Then people start paying attention to you and you think your going to get your way, but the people paying attention have labeled you as a terrorist. Now you have no way out.. you might as well just kill yourself, or better yet, kill me and yourself at the same time.. no one wins.

But.. If i had the decency to treat you right in the first place and respect your rights, we'd be having a cook out right now..

Hmmm. Narragansett. That name sounds native american......plan on giving up your home?

buckman 06-04-2008 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by likwid (Post 594718)
Where are they targeting children again?

What about the IRA? They're not muslims.
What about the wackos we've had here in the US? Not muslims.
Random bombings in the former soviet union? Yet again. Still not muslims.
Tamil Tigers? Not muslims.
Most of the conflicts in Africa? Not muslims.

And apparently you WANT us to be the British with kingdom building in the middle east and "killing all them muslims".

You should get a job writing talking points for them. Your very defensive when someone says anything bad about a terrorist. I'm sure you and your children will be safe if they board your plane. You know they looked those little kids in the face and crashed that plane into the towers.

I don't condone the IRA or any of those now defunct groups. Don't forget the Black Panthers.

buckman 06-04-2008 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44 (Post 594720)
Forgot the next step:shocked:

Your joking right?


Yes

likwid 06-04-2008 02:43 PM

Honestly I'm not even going to acknowledge what you said before what I quoted below because you're now on the defensive and can't come up with a mature response. Slinging it doesn't win you any points with anyone. And in reality, I'm defending muslims, not terrorists, but obviously I *am* supporting terrorists because all muslims are terrorists right?

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I don't condone the IRA or any of those now defunct groups. Don't forget the Black Panthers.
Howabout the KKK?

Nebe 06-04-2008 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 594719)
Here we get to the crux of where I disagree Nebe with you and Obama. There is major disconnect on the wealth of this country. The days of old money and privledge are LONG gone. There are very few living off the family trust fund. And those that do, good for them, their families earned it. Obama has defined the wealthy as people making over 250k. Do you think the people that make say 250k to 1 million a year have it easy? They have to work and show results and have loads more pressure than most. I worked with people making big $ for most of my career. I've seen the sacrifices they make and the cost they pay. Yet Obama says, lets tax these people more! Well, these people have more expensive houses, they pay MORE property taxes, they have more expensive cars, they pay MORE property taxes. The more $ they make, the more income taxes they pay. The Obama plan is that teh people who work hard AND SUCCEED, must carry the burdern of those that don't. This country was built on hard work. The government should provide the opportunity to succeed, but not penalize those that do.
I wish I could find the exact quote, but he ended a speech by saying " We need to focus on healing and helping Americans"
I dont need healing, I don't need helping, and quite frankly its not the governments job to be sticking its nose in my business.

you prove good points and i am not disagreeing with you, but the problem with capatilism is the rich get richer as they reap the profits from growth, and the poor get poorer as they have to pay more to fuel those profits. I think Obabma is concerned with that aspect. I really dont know to be honest, but it is an issue that needs attending and I dont see McCain looking out for the little guy.

buckman 06-04-2008 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by likwid (Post 594726)
Honestly I'm not even going to acknowledge what you said before what I quoted below because you're now on the defensive and can't come up with a mature response. Slinging it doesn't win you any points with anyone. And in reality, I'm defending muslims, not terrorists, but obviously I *am* supporting terrorists because all muslims are terrorists right?



Howabout the KKK?


Hate them, I mean I dislike them very much. ( just in case any of them still exist and have my address )

Nebe 06-04-2008 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 594721)
Hmmm. Narragansett. That name sounds native american......plan on giving up your home?

No I dont. and The palestinians didnt either. If I did have to give up my home and live in a refuge camp, Id be first in line to launch a mortar shell back into my old neighborhood. They have every right to be pissed off..

McCain- kill em all. (If you get my drift)

Obama- work with them and make their lives better so they wont need to feel so desperate.

EarnedStripes44 06-04-2008 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 594721)
Hmmm. Narragansett. That name sounds native american......plan on giving up your home?

actually, I believe Narragansett is the english corruption of a word from a language that probably does not exist anymore. Guess I cant give up my home if no one is around.

buckman 06-04-2008 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 594731)
No I dont. and The palestinians didnt either. If I did have to give up my home and live in a refuge camp, Id be first in line to launch a mortar shell back into my old neighborhood. They have every right to be pissed off..

McCain- kill em all. (If you get my drift)

Obama- work with them and make their lives better so they wont need to feel so desperate.

Can all the Jews live in your house or do we have to kill them?

McCain - no war munger he's a war hero

Obama- How much $$ do we give them to leaveus alone. Perhaps the whole defense budget

buckman 06-04-2008 02:58 PM

I am just keeping myself busy untill the freaking boat yard finishes my boat. And the bass are everywhere!!!

likwid 06-04-2008 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 594740)
I am just keeping myself busy untill the freaking boat yard finishes my boat. And the bass are everywhere!!!

Maybe if you learned to work on it yourself you wouldn't have this issue? ;)

EarnedStripes44 06-04-2008 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 594739)
Can all the Jews live in your house or do we have to kill them?

McCain - no war munger he's a war hero

Obama- How much $$ do we give them to leaveus alone. Perhaps the whole defense budget

Dont we pay iraqi's not to shoot at us

buckman 06-04-2008 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by likwid (Post 594743)
Maybe if you learned to work on it yourself you wouldn't have this issue? ;)

I have been told to never touch anything with a motor, by people who know better.

EarnedStripes44 06-04-2008 03:08 PM

forklift flats of cash I might add

buckman 06-04-2008 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44 (Post 594746)
Dont we pay iraqi's not to shoot at us


I think we give them $$ as bounty $$. I don't think we are offering the terrorist money to not kill us. Not yet anyways

EarnedStripes44 06-04-2008 03:10 PM

forklift flats of cash, that is no longer taxpayer money, but money fresh off the printing press, subtract any accounting practices.

Billions unnacounted for!!! No paper trail.

If thats gonna be Obama's approach, the current pube administration laid down the framework.

EarnedStripes44 06-04-2008 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 594751)
I think we give them $$ as bounty $$. I don't think we are offering the terrorist money to not kill us. Not yet anyways

actually, we have been doing it for years. We have been paying them not to shoot at us for years.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in648678.shtml

likwid 06-04-2008 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 594751)
I think we give them $$ as bounty $$. I don't think we are offering the terrorist money to not kill us. Not yet anyways

And they're so damn poor they'll hand over their neighbor as a Baathist or related to Al Qaeda somehow.

buckman 06-04-2008 03:23 PM

Well it must be working. The shooting and bombing has slowed down. How about we give Israel, Cambridge and then we can all live in peace and harmony. Will Harvard sell it maybe?

likwid 06-04-2008 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 594758)
How about we give Israel, Cambridge and then we can all live in peace and harmony. Will Harvard sell it maybe?

They already have Newton and Chestnut Hill....

buckman 06-04-2008 03:33 PM

And Hollywood:rotf3:

likwid 06-04-2008 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 594748)
I have been told to never touch anything with a motor, by people who know better.

Thats because they want your money.
Get a manual and sack up!

buckman 06-04-2008 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by likwid (Post 594763)
Thats because they want your money.
Get a manual and sack up!

It was my brother and he works for free:topic:

EarnedStripes44 06-04-2008 03:49 PM

The bombing and shooting has slowed....hmmmm...yeah, but its still an occupation? Still rampant corruption? You still have a government incapable of providing basic civil services to its people and there isnt much we can do for them either, except pay them borrowed money.

...but saying things have slowed and are hence better, is like a patient undergoing an unnecessary, unplanned, unstructured surgery that proves to be disastrous at the hands of doctor covering his malpracticing @$$ by saying I have minimized some (but not all) of the blood loss.

EarnedStripes44 06-04-2008 03:50 PM

...yet the patients condition, remains unstabilized

fishsmith 06-04-2008 03:56 PM

Good read gent's keep it up.

as of now, I'm voting for Mccain.

But with the economy and war, it will really be a kick in the @ss if the Dems can't take over the oval office.

buckman 06-04-2008 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44 (Post 594769)
The bombing and shooting has slowed....hmmmm...yeah, but its still an occupation? Still rampant corruption? You still have a government incapable of providing basic civil services to its people and there isnt much we can do for them either, except pay them borrowed money.

...but saying things have slowed and are hence better, is like a patient undergoing an unnecessary, unplanned, unstructured surgery that proves to be disastrous at the hands of doctor covering his malpracticing @$$ by saying I have minimized some (but not all) of the blood loss.

Your not a glass is half full kind of guy are you. Anything positive to say at all ? If we leave what's your plan or your prognosis? Doctor

EarnedStripes44 06-04-2008 04:07 PM

vote Obama

EarnedStripes44 06-04-2008 04:08 PM

no but seriously, its a lose, lose situation-

refer to the powell doctrine

EarnedStripes44 06-04-2008 04:10 PM

and with respect to the glass half full- I didnt really want to drink anyway. I voted for Gore.

buckman 06-04-2008 04:15 PM

Remember it's not the President, it's the Cabinet he picks that makes the decisions. History has proved thet over and over. I don't think Obama has the power to pick his own Cabinet. McCain will and he has earned the right more then anyone in the recent past to be President. Obama has only been a junior senator for 3 years and he has spent most of that time running for President.

buckman 06-04-2008 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44 (Post 594780)
and with respect to the glass half full- I didnt really want to drink anyway. I voted for Gore.

Now I am shocked. Do your neighbors know.:eek:

Nebe 06-04-2008 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 594781)
Remember it's not the President, it's the Cabinet he picks that makes the decisions. History has proved thet over and over. I don't think Obama has the power to pick his own Cabinet. McCain will and he has earned the right more then anyone in the recent past to be President. Obama has only been a junior senator for 3 years and he has spent most of that time running for President.

agreed 100%

RIROCKHOUND 06-04-2008 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 594786)
agreed 100%

Seconded, the president should be a LEADER, which I believe Obama to be.
I also think Obama is smart enough to realize that given his age and experience, he needs to surround himself with the best cabinet he can, and given the state of things, I think he'll have his pick of the D's and I's (and hell, maybe some centerist R's) for his cabinet...

Nebe 06-04-2008 04:56 PM

I feel like no one told bush how the cabinet system worked.. he simply invited a bunch of lobbyists to serve him :hs:


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