you could vote for a president of the united states that has even the slightest influence by this?
The Goals Of Black Liberal Theology — Dr. Robert A. Morley, an internationally recognized scholar in the fields of theology and apologetics.

“l.The goals of BT are to turn religion into sociology, Christianity into a political agenda, Jesus into a black Marxist rebel, and the gospel into violent revolution. They are more interested in politics than preaching the gospel.

“III. The Methodology of Black Liberal Theology

“The main method employed by BT is to manipulate embittered young blacks by turning their feelings of inferiority, alienation, jealousy, hopelessness and self-hate, into racist rage against whites, Orientals and affluent blacks who are conveniently blamed for their lack of personal initiative to better their lot in life.

“IV. The Main Philosophic Error of Black Liberal Theology

“BT is based upon the philosophic error of relativism in which ‘Jesus’ is viewed as only a religious symbol which can be interpreted anyway they want. Thus it does not matter who and what the historical Jesus really was. BT invented a black Marxist Jesus to lead the way to violent revolution because such a ‘Jesus’ will serve their purpose. BT is condemned in II Cor. 11:4 and Gal. 1:8-9.

Doesnt this echo Wrights comments? The facts are there Obama supporters, there is his church, the link to Liberation Theology. Has anyone of the press asked Obama if he believes in BLT? You cannot deny its influence on his church. And you guys think Palin is a religious wacko, but then again, the press isnt telling you otherwise,,,,,

I didn't see the headline so I don't know the real context.

But looking at the actual article on MSNBC.com it's clearly not favorable of Obama...

Now before anyone goes off, there's a pretty vocal community that belives Pat Buchanan is a big anti-semite.

And regarding your second post, it's clear Obama joined that church as he was doing community work and it was the center of the community he was trying to help. Just because he attended for many years, doesn't mean he's a believer in black liberation theology. I've never read anything that would indicate this is the case either.

-spence

yet, you posted a thread Palin - be Afraid becasue she said to pray for our soliders and that they are doing God's task?
Who has more expoure to religious wack-jobs - Obama or Palin? I am way more afraid of OBamas church. Check the facts on their website! Facts are not on the Huffington Post - thats a lib site. Go to the source.

more FACTS -
dont go on about Hannity, look at Wrights response. he was THE PASTOR AT OBAMAS CHURCH, MARRIED HIM, BAPTISED HIS KIDS and you're worred about Palin????

WRIGHT: The black value system, which was developed by the congregation, by laypersons of the congregation, 26 years ago, very similar to the gospel (INAUDIBLE) developed by laypersons in Nicaragua during the whole liberation theology movement, 26, 28, 30 years ago, yes.

HANNITY: All right, but we're not dealing with — this is on the Web site today. Let me just inform our audience, and I want you to respond, if you can.

It says, "Commitment to God." By the way, I'm with you, and I hope you'll pray for me, Reverend. Commitment to the black community, commitment to the black family, adherence to the black work ethic. It goes on, pledge, you know, acquired skills available to the black community, strengthening and supporting black institutions, pledging allegiance to all black leadership who have embraced the black value system, personal commitment to the embracement of the black value system.

Now, Reverend, if every time we said black, if there was a church and those words were white, wouldn't we call that church racist?

WRIGHT: No, we would call it Christianity. We've been saying that since there was a white Christianity; we've been saying that ever since white Christians took part in the slave trade; we've been saying that ever since they had churches in slave castles.

We don't have to say the word "white." We just have to live in white America, the United States of white America. That's not the issue; you're missing the issue.

Spence, I appreciate your argument, but maybe saying that Biden has "one of the lowest income levels among his peers" would have been a better choice of words. "poorest" is different than "poor", but it's a derivation af the same word and using it to decribe Biden is a little over the top. Not many people are going to feel sorry for a guy making around $200K and who has many more "freebies" and "perks" handed to him than them. Remember that he writes off a lot of things that most people can't. Oh, and don't forget the income derived from his book. I'm sure he got something for that.

And he has a lot more time off than the salepeople you mentioned. Remember, the Senate is not in session all year and he gets paid whether he is there or not. Salespeople who make the big bucks are usually on commission and work long hours with only a few weeks of vacation a year. They only get paid for the sales they make. Don't diminish how hard it is to support a family when you income is directly tied to you being successful in making sales. If they don't sell, they don't get paid.

As for the voting in the Senate, I counted him as having missed the 5th most votes, behind McCain (#1), Obama (#3) and Clinton (#4). I would think that preparing to run for President and campaigning might explain why those 3 may have missed some of their votes. And I actually looked up "votes cast" and Biden only has more than 3 other Senators with less than 10% missed. Unless you want to count Craig Thomas who died last year.

And to your earlier point about him taking the train home to Delaware each day for his family. That is admirable, but he's not the only person to make great sacrifices for his family. A lot of people have suffered through terrible personal tragedies and have had to go on living. Kudos to Biden for doing what should be expected of him, because there are other people out there who wouldn't have done what he did.

I'm more afraid of someone who may think they have instruction from god to kill people, than someone who believes they have instruction from god to not kill people.

-spence

Didn't Charles Manson say god told him to kill?

No...it was the Beatles.

hA!

I guess thats a wacky interpretation of what she said. I would think the task (now) is to assist the Iraquis in securing their nation so that there can be peace and stability.

No Spence, I think you are highly aware of the slant and bias put forth daily under the guise of "News".

Ok, that's just spin...

-spence

Huh? The task of our military = kill people?

thats what they're doing right now?

I thought this is what we want our troops to do? Isnt this the 'task"

BAGHDAD - The U.S. military handed over security control of the Iraqi province of Anbar to local forces on Monday, although a top U.S. commander said the drawdown of Marines in the former insurgent flashpoint would be gradual.

The province was once a locus of the Sunni Arab insurgency, and the scene of some of the bloodiest battles of the Iraq war.

The handover marks a major milestone in America’s strategy of turning security over to the Iraqis so U.S. troops can eventually go home.

Spin, spin, spin, spin...

-spence

you're a pretty lousy McCain supporter.

Why dont you just come out of the closet now, expose your pink panties and join Obama?

Change you can believe in!

Because I don't particularly like Barak Obama. Biden I like, but Barak not so much.

-spence

Charlie also said, "'The fact of the matter is, I'm Jesus Christ, whether you chose to believe that or not is up to you."
I would have found that more profound had he not tattooed a swastika on his own forehead. But, alas, madmen, they're so impetuous.

rumor has it it was Buchanan that did the tattoo

Yeah, he got G. Gordon Liddy to hold him down. You've read "Will," I assume, Liddy admired the Nazis a great deal. Those Nixon staffers - what a fun bunch!

Another, albeit lesser known quote attributed to Manson is "real men use conventional reels - spinning reels are for sissies".

I think most people would get the context. To say the usage is improper is bordering on pedantic isn't it?

And regarding his family. I'm not saying he's a super hero, but that the man has some fiber.

-spence

I think using "pedantic," is somewhat pedantic. I gotta go, my tee shirt machine is pre-heated now.

Vote Hard, Die Young!

Hey, there ya go.
I was thinking about doing "01.20.17 Obama's Last Day"

Pedantic, shmedantic. $200K + is a lot of money no matter how you slice it. He's rich. He may not be Ted Kennedy rich, but he will not be standing in line at the soup kitchen when he retires. And he's a lot better off than the guy unloading freight from trucks or the woman who cleans houses for a living.

I agree about taking care of his family. Unfortunately, some people wouldn't have done what he did. That just speaks to where we've gone as a society.

I know you like him and are playing devil's advocate, but you have to at least agree that he is a lot more privleged than most people. And although he has a tough job, he works a lot less than most of us who work for a living.

I will admit that he's a sharp dresser. And his hair is beyond reproach. Could that be the real reason you like him? Maybe there is an unspoken bond there?

You'd need to change that to 09.03.08, his last day was Palin's speech :cool:

I've heard he has hair plugs, don't know if it's true though...

And I wouldn't say that Senators simply because they're not in session aren't working pretty hard most of the time.

From what I know of his life, Biden has made it pretty much on his own. This may astound you, but according a review the Washington Post did last year Joe Biden's net worth stands at about 100-150,000 :eek5:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...400305_pf.html

Quite a few people on this site with a higher net-worth than that. I guess he's not been engaging in much profiteering over his status and has outlayed a ton of cash for his kids educations.

200K might be a nice paycheck, but this hardly is deserving of the labels "rich" or "privilaged".

When you put him in context of the McCains, Clintons or even Obama there's a HUGE gap.

-spence

ouch, thats sad just on a personal note.
So how is that the guy that will get our economy back on track?

I read that his net worth was somewhere between $150K - $360K. That figure could be wrong, though. If he's making almost 200K a year and his net worth is that low, I'm a little concerned for him.

I'm not bashing the guy at all (except for earlier with the plagerism thing). I'm just trying to point out that to most Americans, he's not going to be a sympathetic figure because he's not a multi millionaire.

do senators have a pension? 401k? I would think after 30yrs he racked something up?

It's possible they only factored in more liquid assets? I didn't read the entire piece to see if they included the process they used to calculate.

-spence

Jim I know your not one to parrot, but you have no I dea that you could not sound anymore like John "I'm a Tool who inflates his own ratings' Dipetro on WPRO...
he has been (figuratively) ball washing Palin for 3 days.