I have been avoiding this, but I will now point out that this statement you made before and feel the need to repeat could be deemed racist. :smash:

Again, you play the race card...accusing me of racism, with nothing to back it up.

Blacks are disproportionately poor. The tea party feels that poor people (regardless of ethnicity) are better off with paychecks than with welfare checks. Not only is that better for poor people, it's better for everyone...

You tell me why that's racist, please...that could only be deemed racist by liberal idiots who would always choose to play the race card rather then debate the merits of an argument...

That statement he made is not racist...the statement might address race but it isn't racist....there is a difference.

I think a lot of that is getting lost in the PC Policed world

If Scott said poor people, considering almost 40% of welfare recipients are white, then he is addressing those people and not a race. His statement specifically implied that all blacks need the tea party agenda to escape the "shackles of poverty." Something tells me Colin Powell does not specifically need the tea party policies to escape the shackles of poverty. Why does Scott keep bringing up race?

First, I'm Jim not Scott...

Second, what I obviously meant was that POOR blacks would benefit by embracing Tea Party ideals. You are right, Oprah Winfrey doesn't need the Tea Party. Pointing out hypertechnical issues is not advancing the debate, does it?

"Why does Scott keep bringing up race?"

Again, I'm Jim. It was brought up because conservatives like me do not like it when liberals dismiss us as racist, instead of discussing the pros/cons of our ideas. That is very intellectually dishonest...And you quickly played that card, then you denied doing it.

Again, when did I play that card Jim?

I mean before the most recent post where I pointed out how your statement could be seen as racist.

I was talking about how your math ignored revenue from business in your tax analogy. You really distort what I have said. "Taking money from business is taking money from people." Well, some might say that a business tax code without loopholes would reduce the tax burden on a wider proportion of people. You are trying to make simple statements when the economics is complicated.

Also, please stop indicating that I should respond to everything you say. Are you keeping track or something?

I cannot comprehend how you can ask that question, but once again, you played the race card when you said this...""There is plenty of evidence that a substantial portion of the members of the tea party are racist."

Not only is that clearly playing the race card, it's also nonsense. Your handful of friends do not represent "plenty" of evidence, nor do they represent a "substantial" portion of the Tea Party.

"some might say that a business tax code without loopholes would reduce the tax burden on a wider proportion of people."

If business tax hikes only impacted owners of a business, you would be correct. Zimmy, can you answer a question? Where do you think business tax revenue ultimately comes from? Do you grasp that when busines taxes are increased, that means everyone associated with that business pays more taxes? And that includes not just the rich owners, but also employees and customers? IS now a good time to increase the cost of doing business?

I agree that scofflaws like GE need to pay their share. But most businesses already pay their taxes, and increasing those rates now, may do more harm than good.

"please stop indicating that I should respond to everything you say"

If you won't respond to what I'm actually saying, I'd appreciate it if you didn't chime in just to call me a racist. But you are free to do that if you wish...

I gave evidence of a racist component of the tea party. That is it. You stated there is ZERO EVIDENCE. You asked the question, I responded. Your business tax assumptions assume every penny of tax is passed on to consumers or employees. That is factually untrue based on past analysis of taxation. I appreciate your passion, but please know that I am done responding to this thread.

this thread is really, really, really amusing.

The majority of the threads in this forum are funny.

I know I've posted this before....but this is pretty much what this forum has become....

YouTube - Monty Python - Argument Clinic

THIS speaks volumes too.

He lied to the press.

And he continues to lie to the American people. Just like he lied about the fake birth certificate or Taxes, or pulling out of Iraq.

Update: Chronicle responds after Obama Administration punishes reporter for using multimedia, then claims they didn't : Bronstein at Large

Just think....5 more years of this Socialist pig.

"President Obama is committed to making his administration the most open and transparent in history."

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