Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 888548)

Just admit you are an angry, bitter lawyer with some old axe to grind... at least keep some fuel on the fire....

Originally Posted by scottw (Post 888587)

which problem?..and what rules were broken?

the rule states that and angler must declare one or the other status at the time of registration, which makes sense, I'm pretty sure that was done...I've not seen a rule that states that an unaffiliated angler may not (affiliate) join a team during the several months of the tournament and in fact, OTW made it quite clear that this is done regularly and MikeP acknowledged the fact that there is precedence.....an unaffifiated angler joining a team has no idea as to whether he/she is going to catch a fish of consequence after joining a team(which are the only fish that may count in the standings)....what exactly is the problem?

Originally Posted by Mike P (Post 888616)

I still think that club rosters should be set either at the start, or within the first month of it.

Originally Posted by WESTPORTMAFIA (Post 888611)

Hey guys! Is it supposed to burn when you pee?
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Originally Posted by Saltheart (Post 888637)

So a heavy hitter (Someone known to catch lots of big fish every year) can join as unaffiliated , enter fish as an independent to be sure he's got some in there for some prizes , then wait for the season to progress and see how the team totals tally up. Then near the end , when its getting obvious who the winner or at least top 3 will be , he can jump in and join a garanteed winning or high placing team. I'm not saying he did that but the exceptions made to allow moving from unaffiliated to affiliated would allow this. you have been long on speculation and short on facts through the entire discussion

I've posted the rule twice in purple. Its apparant that people interpret this differently than me. To me it says when you join you decide if you are an independent or a team member. To me that's it , that's what you are for the tournament.does it say this in purple?
Why even have such a rule if you can jump around from unaffiliated to affiliated during the contest? because tournament organizers need to know where to slot your fish when you register Yes I know the slippery slope was started with exceptions in the past and that those exceptions even involved S-B team people. As I said earlier, if you do something once it doesn't mean you have to keep doing it that way forever.it appears to be pretty common rather than an "exception" or a "breaking of the rules"

The integrity of the tournament is bound to adherence to the rules by both the participants and the organizers. Making exceptions or looking for supreme court type loop holes to simple fishing tournament rules casts a shadow over things that some may not care about but that others might. those would be the people who "couldn't give a #^&#^&#^&#^& "

I joined the tournament the first year simply to be able to go to the party at the end at Harpoon Brewery (I think it was Harpoon?). I got a pin and a golden raffle ticket and Smokey and I had good food and beer at the party. We ran into all the usual hard core guys ( even #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&) at the party so it was a good social event like TFCTFN and MSBA etc. I suppose expecting or even caring about any more than that is a mistake. I wonder how many harsh critics of the tournament will be at the party?


I rest my case.

Originally Posted by scottw (Post 888631)

just doesn't make any sense...the tournament is months long and actually a series of weekly/monthly tournaments...OTW allows registration throughout the tournament(which makes perfect sense given the nature of the tournament and for maximum participation).... I'm sure that many anglers decide to register throughout the season as a result of joining a club or encouragement from a competing team, your rules would not allow new registrants after the first day (or month) to join a club/team which might discourage participation, which I'm sure is not the goal of OTW....if you make an exception for new registrants and allow them to affiliate with clubs/teams after one of your dates, it hardly seems justifiable to allow them(new registrants) to join a team after one of your dates while not allowing previously registered but unaffilitated anglers to affiliate, the only difference between the two is the date on their registration.....and in both cases, as long as any fish that is being entered is caught after the date of registration/affiliation, why would it matter ???????

Originally Posted by Mike P (Post 888672)

Licensing? OTW is a coast-wide tournament. How could they ever check? The Derby, with one central weigh-in, can demand that a contestant show his/her license when weighing in a fish. OTW can't, and most weigh stations couldn't be bothered.

Originally Posted by Back Beach (Post 888675)

You simply provide proof of your license when you register for either tournament if your given state requires licensing. Not too difficult, IMO.

Originally Posted by fishbones (Post 888679)

I assumed you had to show it for the Derby when you registered.

The problem with the Striper Cup is that a lot of people register early online or register at the winter shows. They may not have purchased the rec license by the time they sign up for it.

Originally Posted by piemma (Post 888687)

In fact the last Tournament really enjoyed was the Schaefer Tournament. When the hell was that, 1971?

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 888699)

God you're old.... :smash::biglaugh:

Talk tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Back Beach (Post 888666)

Just read the MV Derby committee disqualified two division leading participants due to their lack of having recreational fishing licenses...makes me wonder about the Striper Cup.

Originally Posted by JFigliuolo (Post 888705)

He remembers when dirt was new...

Originally Posted by Back Beach (Post 888675)

You simply provide proof of your license when you register for either tournament if your given state requires licensing. Not too difficult, IMO.

Originally Posted by Back Beach (Post 888683)

Then they should make people show a license when they weigh in a fish.

Nobody thinks less of the saltwater license b.s. than I do, but if I shell out 10 bucks for a license and another 45 for the striper cup registration, I demand the same from my fellow competitiors. :lama:

Originally Posted by Back Beach (Post 888666)

Just read the MV Derby committee disqualified two division leading participants due to their lack of having recreational fishing licenses...makes me wonder about the Striper Cup.

Originally Posted by Mike P (Post 888672)

By the way, none of what I said is directed at Greg or TS. I know that Greg was contemplating throwing in with them over the off-season. It wasn't a case of him looking at the pack and deciding to help out one team over another. Just general principles.

"If I'm a heavy hitter, I can sit on the sidelines, see how the standings shape up, and then offer my "services" to a team that wants to make a mid-tournament push on a team that's been together since the start.".

Originally Posted by Mike P (Post 888672)

Because the club tournament is run separately from the individual one, with separate standings.

Originally Posted by scottw (Post 888768)

right, clearly no inference there......:)



I'm pretty sure it's not run separately, last I checked..,weekly, monthly, Angler of the Year(individual standings)and Team were all the same fish...

the team standings and the option to fish for a team just make it more interesting and probably increase participation....I don't think that there are gobs of money and prizes showered on the team that wins to entice those "heavy hitters" to spend their season caluclating which team to join and selling their services in order to stick it to another team...:confused:

Originally Posted by tattoobob (Post 888810)

No just 10 grand

Originally Posted by scottw (Post 888768)

right, clearly no inference there......:)

Originally Posted by Mike P (Post 888824)

You think he's the only heavy hitter? ;) I thought I made it clear that TS was the only team he ever considered joining.

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 888856)

This thread is better every time I check in,I can't say much because it will be *edited* by the Bossman.

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 888756)

Please don't derail this thread with anyhing that makes sense.

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 888862)

I noticed that since the response prior to mine still has the name of the person I am not allowed to refer to. No problem Big Guy I'm used to it and don't want to get in the middle of whatever bunched your undergarment.

****edited**** by JohnR
reason-not sure

Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 888871)

Ooops -- missed that one. But the WHY is not your concern.

Chris, you are starting to bunch my undergarments. Everyone has a problem, everyone is a cheat, and everyone is open for an attach, warranted or not. Oh, and of course you are overmoderated by the evil moderators.

While I prefer and encourage open speech and debate I don't have to put up with the constant drivel. If you don' like it, leave.

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 888913)

The WHY you refer to is probably more common knowledge than you would think but I will respect your privacy in this matter.