I would think that anyone considering such an action would surround themselves with material to support their objective. If there was an Islamic edition of the Anarchist Cookbook I'm sure that would have been there as well.

Face it, the guy was nuts. To call it terrorism you have to show deeper motive and/or affiliation which investigators who are a lot closer to this case than you or I haven't found.

-spence

yup...probably just an isolated incident...who will you be defending next week....Sandusky?...also rhetorical...I'm sure the answer is yes

ABC NEWS
Alleged Plot Against U.S. Military Base In Seattle Is Eighth in Two Years

June 24, 2011

In the latest planned assault on a U.S. military installation – at least the eighth such conspiracy in the past two years -- two Islamic converts have been arrested for allegedly plotting a Fort Hood-style attack on a Seattle center for new military recruits.

The alleged ringleader of the plot, 33-year-old Abu Khalid Abdul-Latif, a convicted felon once known as Joseph Davis, has posted a number of videos on-line attacking the U.S. military, as well as comments praising al Qaeda leader Anwar al-Awlaki, who has been linked to accused Ft. Hood shooter Nidal Hasan. According to the FBI, Abdul-Latif and accused coconspirator Walli Mujahidh, formerly Frederick Domingue, sought to determine "how they could kill the most military personnel and escape or die as martyrs" during a planned July 5 assault on the Military Entrance Processing Station.

The men discussed using "fragmentation grenades" in the facility's cafeteria as a way of maximizing casualties, say authorities, and were arrested after they allegedly purchased automatic weapons from an informant for the planned attack.

There have been at least eight attacks or alleged plots against military installations since 2009, including the November 2009 Fort Hood massacre, in which 13 people died at the Texas Army base. Palestinian-American Army Major Nidal Hasan, who had exchanged emails about jihad with Anwar al-Awlaki, is currently awaiting trial on multiple counts of murder and attempted murder. Just this week, Marine Reservist Yonathan Melaku was charged with shooting at military sites, including the Pentagon, after he was arrested in Arlington National Cemetery with a backpack full of inert ammonium nitrate. Melaku allegedly videotaped himself shouting "Allahu Akbar" while shooting at the Marine Corps Museum in Quantico and had a list of bomb-making materials in his home.

The FBI say Abdul-Latif hoped the attack on the Seattle processing center would inspire other Muslims to carry out similar assaults on enlistment centers. According to the criminal complaint filed Thursday, Mujahidh told FBI agents that he wanted to die a martyr, and said the purpose of the attack was to kill U.S. military personnel so they could not be deployed to Islamic lands.

Abdul-Latif referred admiringly to the 2009 Fort Hood massacre, according to a confidential informant who is quoted in the criminal complaint. Abdul-Latif allegedly said that "if one person could kill so many people, three attackers could kill many more" and that if he was killed in his own attack, his son would be proud he had fought the "non-believers."

You should do an understudy with Dougles Feith, you guys seem to share the same passion for conspiracy theories.
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no conspiracy, just facts and more of what we've come to expect from this administration...if Hasan or the others were non-muslim, former military and had something that could be construed to be a "right-wing militia" magazine in their apartment...they'd be "terrorists"....a "lone wolf terrorist"

"And the White House, to avoid offending the Muslim community, has opted for the general term “violent extremism” to describe the threat of Islamic radicalization.
“The administration is understandably apprehensive about identifying Islamist extremism as the primary extremist threat to the United States for fear that the broader Muslim community will take offense,” said terrorism expert Jonathan Kennedy."



In a recent CNN interview, Obama shared:

"The risk that we're especially concerned over right now is the lone wolf terrorist, somebody with a single weapon being able to carry out wide-scale massacres of the sort that we saw in Norway recently. You know, when you have one person who is deranged or driven by a hateful ideology, they can do a lot of damage, and it's a lot harder to trace those lone wolf operators."

and

Acknowledging the threat

U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, in an interview on ABC News last week, said one of the biggest challenges she had seen as DHS secretary, “is movement toward the home-grown violent extremist. The person who, for whatever reason, decides to attack his fellow citizens.
She warned citizens to be vigilant of “the lone actor that we may not know about, who may already be in the United States and so it requires us to be vigilant and the public be vigilant.”

President Obama is relatively unconcerned with violent flash mobs, terrorists sneaking across the open border, homegrown Muslim extremism in the US, Iraqi and Mexican drug rings in California, or guns in the hands of Mexican drug cartels provided by misguided sting operations.

In the 2009 unclassified government report entitled "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment," the DHS warned that "prolonged economic downturn -- including real estate foreclosures, unemployment, and an inability to obtain credit -- could create a fertile recruiting environment for rightwing extremists." However, to date, exactly zero unemployed pro-life Iraqi war veterans living in foreclosed homes have taken to the streets armed with AK-47s.

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(U) Key Findings

(U//LES) The DHS/Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) has no specific information that domestic rightwing* terrorists are currently planning acts of violence, but rightwing extremists may be gaining new recruits by playing on their fears about several emergent issues. The economic downturn and the election of the first African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment.

— (U//LES) Threats from white supremacist and violent antigovernment groups during 2009 have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts. Nevertheless, the consequences of a prolonged economic downturn—including real estate foreclosures, unemployment, and an inability to obtain credit—could create a fertile recruiting environment for rightwing extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups and government authorities similar to those in the past.

— (U//LES) Rightwing extremists have capitalized on the election of the first African American president, and are focusing their efforts to recruit new members, mobilize existing supporters, and broaden their scope and appeal through propaganda, but they have not yet turned to attack planning.

(U//FOUO) The current economic and political climate has some similarities to the 1990s when rightwing extremism experienced a resurgence fueled largely by an economic recession, criticism about the outsourcing of jobs, and the perceived threat to U.S. power and sovereignty by other foreign powers.

— (U//FOUO) During the 1990s, these issues contributed to the growth in the number of domestic rightwing terrorist and extremist groups and an increase in violent acts targeting government facilities, law enforcement officers, banks, and infrastructure sectors.

— (U//FOUO) Growth of these groups subsided in reaction to increased government scrutiny as a result of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and disrupted plots, improvements in the economy, and the continued U.S. standing as the preeminent world power.

(U//FOUO) The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.

I wonder if Obama and Napolitano are "especially concerned" about this?



Terrorist Bill Ayers to Teach on Radical Theory at Occupy Harrisburg
November 25, 2011

On October 20th, 2011 the Obama-endorsed Occupy Chicago activists invited unrepentant domestic terrorist turned University of Illinois professor, Bill Ayers, to lead a “teach-in” on the virtues of confrontational tactics. The teaching session was dubbed “non-violent disobedience” in the anti-capitalist revolution.

Bill Ayers told the young leftists about how he met with the North Vietnamese to discuss fomenting revolution in America. The meeting was held on the street in downtown Chicago. The young activists lapped it up.

Occupy Harrisburg invited Ayers to lead a teach in and discussion at the Midtown Scholar Bookstore on December 14th. He is also expected to visit the ongoing Occupation of the State Capitol steps. Ayers, a 1960s radical, was a founding member of the Weather Underground in the 1960s and has admitted helping to bomb official sites, including the U.S Capitol and the Pentagon. In the years since he has earned a PhD and is a former university professor.

you're really nuts. Serioulsy. GWB never once responded to the deluge of criticisms on him from Iraq to Katrina while he was president. He never pointed fingers or whined. He acted above all the noise. "O" has lashed out time and time again on the right wing media, talk radio, critics, GOP, etc. He referred to the republicans as ENEMIES when making a latino campaign add. Whine and point fingers and this has done nothing but widen the divide. I dont care how hard he works, his actions and comments have led to a wider divide in this country,.

Dead-on, RIJIMMY. Harry Reid, the majority leader of the Senate, called Bush a "loser". Bush was insulted again and again, and he never responded in kind, he was too good a guy (to his detriment, in my opinion). For someone to suggest that conservatives have cornered the market on boorish behavior is, as you said, "nuts".

But you have to be like that to buy into the liberal ideology. You have to be willing to see only what you want to see, and to frequently ignore that which doesn't serve your agenda, even if what you're ignoring is hard, irrefutable, fact. Lefties viciously attacked the tea party (who almost never misbehaved), and compliment the occupiers (who have descended to violent anarchy almost everywhere).

"his actions and comments have led to a wider divide in this country"

There is no doubt we're more divided now, and Obama has done NOTHING to mitigate this. He has repeatedly shown that he has no time for anyone who isn't inclined to kneel down and kiss his ring.

I thought for sure he'd be a shoe-in for re-election. Hell, there was a time when I relished the thought of only 8 years of him, because I was afraid he'd re-write the constitution and anoint himself president for life. It's amazing to me that with the entire media (except for Foxnews) in his pocket, that his numbers have sunk to this level. His incompetence makes him very vulnerable.

it's calculated:uhuh:

"An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent... He must create a mechanism that can drain off the underlying guilt for having accepted the previous situation for so long a time. Out of this mechanism, a new community organization arises....
"The job then is getting the people to move, to act, to participate; in short, to develop and harness the necessary power to effectively conflict with the prevailing patterns and change them. When those prominent in the status quo turn and label you an 'agitator' they are completely correct, for that is, in one word, your function—to agitate to the point of conflict." Saul Alinsky


it's going to get ugly in 2012:uhuh:

This isn't about criticism, it's about coordinated attacks.

-spence

ohhh, right...the Vast RIGHTWING CONSPIRACY

WIKI
Internal Army reports indicate officers within the Army had discussed what they characterized as Hasan's tendencies toward radical Islam since 2005. Additionally, investigations before and after the shooting discovered e-mail communications between Hasan and Yemen-based cleric Anwar al-Awlaki (ehhh...probably gets lots of emails from lots of people), who quickly declared Hasan a hero, as "fighting against the U.S. army is an Islamic duty".

The U.S. later classified Anwar al-Awlaki as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist, and the UN considered Awlaki to be associated with al-Qaeda (must be pretty bad);

Hasan has expressed admiration for the teachings of Anwar al-Awlaki, imam at the Dar al-Hijrah mosque between 2000 and 2002.[70] As Al-Awlaki was under surveillance, Hasan was investigated by the FBI after intelligence agencies intercepted 18 emails between them between December 2008 and June 2009. In one, Hasan wrote: "I can't wait to join you" in the afterlife.(that's sweet)

Hasan also asked al-Awlaki when jihad is appropriate, and whether it is permissible if innocents are killed in a suicide attack. (did he really have to ask?)



Though Hasan had frequented jihadist web sites promoting radical Islamic views, they said no e-mail communications with outside facilitators or known terrorists were found(except discovered e-mail communications between Hasan and Yemen-based cleric "Specially Designated Global Terrorist" ) . Investigators were evaluating reports that, in 2001, Hasan had attended a mosque in Virginia once attended by two of the 9/11 hijackers and headed by Anwar al-Awlaki (huh...that's a conicidence), who had been accused of aiding the 9/11 plot. Investigators were looking at potential inspiration, to determine if al-Awlaki's teachings could have radicalized Hasan. (no way...c'mon)

No motive for the shootings was offered, but they believed Hasan had authored an Internet posting that appeared to support suicide bombings.(doesn't everyone do this)

He also handed out copies of the Qur'an, along with his business cards which listed a Maryland phone number and read "Behavioral Heatlh [sic] – Mental Health – Life Skills | Nidal Hasan, MD, MPH | SoA(SWT) | Psychiatrist".[76][77] According to investigators, the acronym "SoA" is commonly used on jihadist websites as an acronym for "Soldier of Allah" (that's a nice touch)

Shouting "Allahu Akhbar" as he killed the unarmed. (pretty common I guess)

A Rasmussen national survey found that 65% of Americans favored the death penalty in Hasan's case, and that 60% want the case investigated as an act of terrorism.

WOW...60% Spence...that's like most all Americans in Spence world :uhuh:

he blames...and then he distorts(lies)

When asked what he would say to the African American community now disappointed in him over what many perceive are failed policies, but who, nonetheless, may still support him, President Barack Obama stated:

“The reason they still support me is because they understand what an incredible mess had been made as I was coming into office and we’ve been spending the last three years cleaning it up. The good news is that the economy is starting to strengthen. We’ve seen some positive signs. The unemployment rate has ticked down.”

Really?

WASHINGTON – The unemployment rate fell to 8.6 percent in November, a number that offers the Obama administration a rare piece of good economic news -- but also masks a startling shift in the job market.

The Labor Department said Friday that employers added 120,000 jobs last month. With that, the unemployment rate dropped to the lowest level in more than two and a half years. But a key reason for the sharp drop was that about 315,000 people had stopped looking for work -- for the Labor Department's purposes, they were not counted as unemployed.

The report comes as Congress wrangles over several jobs proposals, including extensions of the payroll tax cut and unemployment aid. And it arrives in advance of the first Republican primaries and caucuses, a race that has revolved around the economy.

More than half the jobs added were by retailers, restaurants and bars, a sign that holiday hiring has kicked in.

This is what constitutes "good news" for Obama these days......if all of the unemployed would just stop looking for work, he could tell everyone he fixed everything and we're back to normal and claim victory...more "snake oil"

The economy still has big problems but I don't think there's any doubt it's slowly getting stronger.

-spence

New AP pole shows 53% of Americans want Obama out of office
with 44% saying he should stay.

Hmm,that 53% must be all those mis-informed middle American's and
rednecks that the peudo-intellectual eletists speak of, couldn't be those
with common sense. :huh:

And in the same poll Obama easily beats Gingrich and barely beats (statistical tie) Romney.

-spence

Would like to know if these were likely voters as the only places Obama is
above 50% approval is enviorment,education and energy.

He is below 50% approval on budget defecit, health care,immigration, taxes,
gas prices and unemployment.

Unless those polled want Socialism as there top priority Mickey Mouse
should be able to defeat him right now.

Don't believe so.

It's simply going to come down to who the GOP nominates rather than desire for socialism. If it's Newt they don't have a chance. Romney it's probably 50/50. I think Huntsman could win.

-spence

which means ..in the real world...which is the exact opposite of Spenceworld....Huntsman(who doesn't even register 1% in Pennsylvaniaright now) is actually in the wrong party...Romney is 50/50 and Newt has a pretty good shot...

the Newt/Trump ticket. I can see it now.

I have no idea what the ticket will be but we, at this point, are still talking about Obama/Biden for the dems :jump1:

A wining combination if they don't speak without a teleprompter! :love:

If kindergartners, could vote, that is.

It's funny, I've read more editorials ripping Newt apart than I could even bother to recall. And they've all been from leading conservative voices...

What's clear is that it's not just that they think he can't beat Obama, more so it's that they don't want him as President.

Saying a moderate Republican is in the wrong party...is exactly what's wrong right now with the GOP.

-spence

Chaffee is great isn't he?

Hmm, I wonder if Hillary would be the choice over Biden. Obama might not
like that and Hillary may be waiting for Pres 2016. Who knows but both would have to eat crow to make it work.

May be, but with my ear to the ground right now, people have nothing good to say
about Obama. With the press being so slanted toward Obama I doubt many people
will make a decesion based on editorials but on their pocket books.
The natives are restless. :hihi:

Obama is either hot or cold, in that they either do an excellent or terrible job of managing the debate.

If Obama stands up and proclaims he kept us out of a depression and the economy is slowly recovering, killed OBL and a lot of other terrorists, got us finally out of Iraq, expanded health care for millions of Americans and signed a lot of good regulation to protect consumers and the environment. Etc...

Seriously, I forgot to pay my small Firestone bill the other month and because of Democratic legislation I only had to pay a small interest charge rather than a 40 dollar penalty. I like that :uhuh:

A LOT of independent voters will be looking for a much stronger Republican opponent than what the current field is providing. Neither of the two top candidates, Newt and Romney, will excite the evangelical base who turned out for Bush. Romney has a much larger chance of capturing independents but Newt will be like independent kryptonite and kill a lot of Republican Congresspeople in the process. But Romney, while I think he'd make a decent president, there's just that something about him.

Just like in 2004, once it really comes down to the devil you know vs the devil you don't, the incumbent almost always has the upper hand.

-spence

You teamin up with the Dems and taking advantage of the legislation makes
me part owner of your tires. :hihi: Being you want to pay more taxes ya shoulda
been happy paying the $40 penalty anyway "to help the Folks."

Ya I agree there is something there with Romney that I can't put my finger on?

No, just means a credit card company shouldn't be able to charge more for a penalty than I owed on the card!

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Ya, but that's found money you should be happy to send it to the Govt
so they can spend it for you. :)

in the camp --> America's only Hope

make romney the VP