i think of it as like buying a pair of new shoe's
at first they are stiff and tight and not overly comfortable
but after a time of wearing those "new" shoes they get
more comfortable and pliable (softer)
and that is something you can TUNE in on
with your hands (or feet) and select them as favorable.

Thank you for the clarity Raven
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LOL. Rav the cobbler
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Honestly who really gives a #^&#^&#^&#^& about any of this it's only a stupid game
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we'll never have all the facts released so it's hard to for me to to form an opinion. i wouldn't bet the farm that bb and tb were telling all they know. i also think that doctoring the balls is one of those hush hush rules that is broken regularly. patriots now mad at the world and will beat the seahawks using this as their rally point.

This!

I found it astounding that the NFL had not contacted Brady . Another thorough investigation lmao
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Either that or the NFL officials screwed up. The NFL is trying to figure out how to spin it so that they don't look like idiots. Particularly given their recent investigative history.
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Raven , after reading your last post .as usual I,m confused .......are you describing breaking in a football ???? or a very young , inexperienced $%^&*@:huh::huh:

also today an expert stated that balls being kept in a warm room and then exposed to the cold element could cause a 2lb difference...being pounced on too....and like one person stated the refs R responsible 1-2 hrs. before the game and the ball people take them to a room at half time.

My own opinion is not guilty by the NFL....:)

Also did they check any balls of the colts to compare?..have not heard a word about that

Dqwell Jackson actually just stated he never noticed anything wrong with the ball he intercepted that report was Fabricated

http://m.wcvb.com/sports/colts-jacks..._source=Social
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Tom Brady has not once been accused of cheating in any way. Never had a suspension or a fine for that matter as far as I can remember
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The NFL's silence is deafening

Bingo
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I think the Pats should have had Will Smith or Tommy Lee Jones comes out dressed in black with the flashy pen thing and just tell everyone to look this way for a second and zip nothing to see hear folks.:rollem:

great question Clammer ....Tom sorta was trying to compare it with a baseball glove
after awhile it conforms to your hand's shape

new balls have a waxy coating apparently
and they have to have Vince sit on them during practice

then the Gronk takes them all out and slams them a few times
trying to beat up the piggyskin til the stiffness wears off
after that treatment it feels real good in your hand :alien:

My question is... if the NFL has NO proof that the Pat's altered the footballs... and it is on the Ref's.. or god forbid even defective footballs or measuring gauges or techniques...... are all of these people that are piling on creating false stories actually going to be held accountable and apologize.... This is AMERICA what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty.. real proof ...not hear -say... ...people are being executed in the streets...leaders of countries are dyeing... two very important trials for REAL crimes are taking place in the city of Boston....our own congress is stealing our money through lies and deception and "deflategate" heads up the world news at 6:00.... this county has truly gone off the rails... all over 2 PSI...the amount of air equal to the weight of a dollar bill....I'm disgusted by it all...the only thing left to do is to fish heavily to compensate....

Well said

Well this is a real good ratings booster for the NFL... taking a page out of Vince McMahon's WWE playbook and using the Pats as the "wrestling heal" and the Sea Hawks as the "baby face". Much excitement about a non issue to get the rest of the US to root for Seattle and bump up their television ratings.

Would be a great spin if right before or just after the game, the NFL comes out and fires a ref, for not checking the balls properly before the game.

Spin it all out of control to up ratings... then put the fires out with a cell phone video of the ref "not checking" the balls properly.... no harm no foul.. and huge boost in attention for the NFL....

By the way the guy "mortensen" reporting the 11/12 balls were 2 pounds under also stated the Janae(sp.) Rice bumped her head in the Elevator when she was rendered unconscious by her Then Fiance's fist.
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X2

I deflate my eels to 11.5 psi :drevil:

Or Tom pulled a Brad Johnson and slipped the ball boy a few G's tolower the psi... is the leage really going to fine the golden one? I'm sure this happens league wide in some way. This will fade away
ultimately, a non-issue in the Colts crushing. One of the colts said it best, the pats could have used soap and won!

I love the Pats....but I am not naive enough to believe the air came out via osmosis. I was hoping TB would fall on his sword and move on. He is like a kid that broke a window but refuses to admit it. Not a big deal in the scope of things but the truth would have helped put this behind him. Somebody deflated the balls,...tooth fairy doesn't cut it
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My bet is the balls they played with are the balls that were approved, as they were approved.
The refs failed to check the psi because they NEVER do but are afraid to admit it.
They probably only check to see if all the laces are tight. and they aren't falling apart and move along to the next one.

Does anyone really believe that little air pressure difference would make any difference in this year's outcome; Colt's game the obvious answer is no. With people being beheaded, nut jobs shooting up our kids schools, quality surgeons with character being gunned down at their jobs; this is what we are focused on all week long. I wish we had a "good news" station, because our priorities are as deflated as this issue is.

That's my theory as well. It's conceivable if Brady does like a soft ball to under-inflate most of them under the assumption they refs won't really check and if they all feel the same won't notice. I don't think it's illegal to submit an under-inflated ball, just to manipulate it once approved. Could have also been who ever inflated them screwed up and the refs didn't catch it.

Now the NFL has to either admit their refs blew it or make a statement fine right before the Super Bowl.

The Commissioner is in a pickle.

we have heard that the refs checked the pressure at half time with two gages. the question is, did they check them before the game in the same way. I have not heard that (anyone?). that's all I really want to know. if the balls weren't checked with gages pregame, then the half time readings are meaningless and baring some really concrete evidence, its on the league and refs for allowing under inflated balls into the game. if they were checked and documented both pregame and half time, burden of proof shifts to the pats IMO.

This whole thing is turning into a pig pile by the press at the instigation of that one reporter from ESPN. So far, no one, in the know, has alleged any wrongdoing by anyone. Its all rumor and innuendo designed to sell the news stories.

He most likely submitted the balls as he liked them and has done the same for years. Under by a lb or 2 psi. Always has. You going to tell me this one game he all of sudden changed his routine. I doubt it.
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I agree Mike - ESPN continues to reference "NFL Sources" but they never have revealed their sources! It's not like these analysts are real reporters and need to protect sources. Tell everyone who they are so they can be questioned. NFL needs to get going on this and could have avoided this whole controversy had they just announced on Monday morning that the Patriots had been fined $25,000 for using underinflated balls.

Agree, unless they have actual readings for individual balls they can compare to halftime data, or video evidence there's no there there.

I think it is fair to say that if you weren't a Patriots fan, you would be singing a different tune. Actually that goes for most of the people posting on here. You have evidence that every team did the video taping?. Any reasonable person without bias who watched and listened to Tom Brady speak yesterday would conclude that he was full of it. The balls were deflated, someone deflated them, and there is one person who would want them deflated. If air pressure didn't make a difference, he wouldn't have a preference and the league wouldn't have a rule about it. One after another, hall of fame players and coaches are calling them out on it. If it is nothing, or it doesn't matter, or every team does it, then those people have no integrity. The world outside of foxboro is going with Shula, Rice, Dawkins, etc on this. Maybe video taping and deflating don't matter, but then why do it? In any case, there is no doubt that the Patriots are a tarnished franchise.

where does a WBZ associate come off and says that they should be fined because Brady said he likes the balls to be 12.5 lbs. which make them illegal....Brady would be within the limits at 12.5... DURRRR...:)

Our you have them inflate to the minimum and the weather deflates them further.

Rumor now is the NFL has no evidence so they're going to drop the investigation

I can't believe that the NFL has not come out and said anything. Frankly this whole thing has been ruining my whole Super Bowl experience. I would love to be talking about the Pats stopping Marshawn Lynch and who Sherman is going to cover etc. Instead we are talking about a small difference in psi in game balls that had no effect on the outcome of a game

I was surprised that Brady did not let us know what happened which makes me think that he was lying. I say this because even if he did not have anything to do with the under inflation (doubtful) at the very least he would know who did. Even if he figured it out after the fact. If I am having my butt hauled out in front of the press you bet for sure I am going to want to know what the hell happened. He didn't do that? I have a hard time believing that

Just think of the ramifications of Brady admitting to knowing about it:
They range from being fined to being suspended from playing the Super Bowl. Does he take the chance? WEEI compared it to stealing grapes at the supermarket. If the penalty for the insignificant crime of stealing a grape was going to jail for a year would you admit to it? Right now there is a MOB mentality in the rest of the country looking to crucify Brady for stealing a grape. He had no choice. Better to deny it at this stage and take the punishment if guilty at a later date.

Given all the finger pointing and name calling, that's a very irresponsible position for the NFL to take.

Actually its been farely well documented that many teams were doing it. The patriots removed jets cameramen from illegal areas in a previous meeting hence the blow back from Mangini. The issue was they received a memo from Goodell the week before.

Not nearly as bad as some of the other things that went on in the league. But new commissioner needed to make an example. The only reason non Pats fans make a big deal about it is because they can.
Hey if that's what you have to celebrate enjoy.
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I had heard that they got deflated while riding the elevator down to the field. TMZ should break the case for the NFL sometime next week with the video from the elevator. Stay Tuned.....
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I'm sticking to my story, it was the guy on the grassy knoll who deflated them, or it was that nefarious villian Ray Finkle, who once tried to submarine the Miami Dolphin's chances at a Super Bowl.