Wasn't fooled by the "new guy" Obama or his Sheeple from day one and have a long way to go before a decision in 2016.

I don't know all the answers, still learning, but know trust worthiness will be high on the list of my choice.

I'm fascinated by the fact that I read that and find it incredibly offensive and you find it on point...

a little more Sanger

“While I personally believe in the sterilization of the feeble-minded, the insane and syphilitic, I have not been able to discover that these measures are more than superficial deterrents when applied to the constantly growing stream of the unfit. They are excellent means of meeting a certain phase of the situation, but I believe in regard to these, as in regard to other eugenic means, that they do not go to the bottom of the matter.” (“Birth Control and Racial Betterment,” Feb. 1919, The Birth Control Review).

“Eugenics without birth control seems to us a house builded upon the sands. It is at the mercy of the rising stream of the unfit” (“Birth Control and Racial Betterment,” Feb. 1919, The Birth Control Review).

“Stop our national habit of human waste.” (“Woman and the New Race,” 1920, Chapter 6).

“By all means, there should be no children when either mother or father suffers from such diseases as tuberculosis, gonorrhea, syphilis, cancer, epilepsy, insanity, drunkenness and mental disorders. In the case of the mother, heart disease, kidney trouble and pelvic deformities are also a serious bar to childbearing No more children should be born when the parents, though healthy themselves, find that their children are physically or mentally defective.” (“Woman and the New Race,” 1920, Chapter 7).

“The main objects of the Population Congress would be to apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring[;] to give certain dysgenic groups in our population their choice of segregation or sterilization.” (“A Plan for Peace,” 1932).

If Hillary so admires Sanger, it is logical that she would be against the immigration of all those "inferior" folks entering across our southern border. And since anti-social, criminal behavior is a kind of mental disorder, She would, at least, be against giving citizenship to those who illegally cross that border, and even against letting them stay in any case. Unless, of course, they chose to be sterilized, or to be segregated, and have no right to vote or influence society in any way.

At least she has the contraception thing down. Except she wants to provide it for all women, even the "fit" ones. She's not a hypocrite there. She did her part. She only had one child. But that is not a model for even maintaining current population, much less for expanding it and the economy as well. Well, that fits in well with the notion that humans are a sort of cancer on the environment. Even the "fit" ones . . . I guess.

So, what's Bernie's view on the illegal immigrants here . . . or those to come?

Can you cite that poll you are referring to? This poll has her trailing Bush, Walker, and Rubio in Iowa, Colorado, and VA. Obama won all 3 of those states twice. So I don't think they are deep red territory, are they?

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...wa-120450.html

Nebe, have you forgotten what happened 9 months ago? November 2014 ring a bell? Was that day a "train wreck" for the GOP? Who controls most of the state legislatures and governorships? Who controls both houses of Congress? When did the GOP become this train wreck? Like them or not, they clobbered the Dems last November.

Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, Ben Carson, are train wrecks? I don't see it. According to the Quinnipiac University poll, neither do the people of Iowa.

As fr Margaret Sanger, a large group of black ministers submitted a petition to have her likeness removed from the Smithsonian, due to her disgusting views. Spence immediately comes to her defense.

Some conservatives have exaggerated some of her quotes for political capital. But when you boil it down to her comments that cannot be separated from her, it's vile.

her words don't really need any exaggerating

“I admire Margaret Sanger enormously,” Secretary Clinton had said in March, “her courage, her tenacity, her vision . . . And when I think about what she did all those years ago in Brooklyn, taking on archetypes, taking on attitudes and accusations flowing from all directions, I am really in awe of her.”

it's always hard to tell isn't it? and when they do tell, it's often hard to judge what is true or not....seems the modern progressives learned a lesson from the early progressives who, as shown were pretty blunt with their views, modern progressives have learned the important skills of deception and phony compassion which attempt to disguise pretty cold and callous views and ulterior motives....we get to see a peak occasionally and it's not pretty... we know that Bernie, while an "independent socialist" did co-found the congressional progressive caucus which lists as one of it's "non-profit organization most closely associated" as The National Council of La Raza (NCLR) "It advocates in favor of progressive immigration reform policies"

Sanders is getting criticism for some "straddling" but I did read this clarification of his stance after comments to Ezra Klein

"Sanders is strongly in favor of legalization and citizenship for the current unauthorized immigrant population, which will raise wages and lift labor standards for all workers, and he’s against expanding U.S. temporary foreign worker programs, which allow employers to exploit and underpay so-called guestworkers. Limiting guestworker programs will reduce wage suppression and improve labor standards for U.S. and migrant workers alike.


When it comes to the number one priority for immigration reform—legalizing the unauthorized immigrant population in the United States—Sanders has said time and time again that they should be legalized immediately and put on a path to citizenship, and he’s highlighted their contributions to the American economy. Sanders could not be any clearer about this. He voted for the 2013 comprehensive reform bill that would have legalized most of the unauthorized population, despite his misgivings about the large expansion of high- and low-skilled guestworker programs in the bill, which shows the importance he ascribes to legalization. Sanders understands that having eight million people working in the U.S. labor market without labor and employment rights puts downward pressure on the wages and working conditions of all workers. He has not failed to point this out. There’s no question that Sanders’ desire for legalization of the unauthorized population is consistent with his broader agenda to see wages rise for workers in the United States.


I'm actually ok with this as long as we get to send 1 progressive off to the socialist paradise of their choice for every two undocumented Americans that we make whole and legal