Nothing is (to the) left of his mind? Ha! See what I did there?

He is devoted, that's for sure. When Nixon left in disgrace, I think his approval rating was around 25%. Spence is at least that devoted.

I think he hit his head when the weld on his office chair broke ;)
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No, I'm saying that FOX is blaming liberal movie reporters for the movies poor performance. Which is a shame because they hoped to use the movie to kill Clinton's campaign.

I didn't hit my head but it was an epic spill.

Actually, if this were a fiction movie not based on the death of 4 people it would be excellent. The fact that four people did lose their lives and many others suffered varying levels of injury prevents (me at least) from rating the movie with stars. Is it worth seeing? Abosultely. Is it worth seeing just as a movie and forgetting its association with RL? Yes.

BTW, where were our vast coalition of countries invented by Hilarey and Obama when we needed them during the attack.
Just a phone call away, was that even considered during the attack ????

Can't remember which report but yes they did evaluate assistance from regional allies.

If your recollection allows, did they call Turkey, where we have bases,
and at 1300 miles from Libya would be less than an hour for a jet fighter ?
Can't believe there wasn't one plane , if not readied, could be readied in
short time.

Anything at 1300MPH has just a few minutes of fuel. Reasonable cruise speeds are 440-520 knots for F15/16/18 type aircraft NOT loaded down with ordinance (F18 probably has to start flying backwards due to canted tanks and racks but I digress). A10s and AC130s are in the high 200/ low 300 kts range. In my earlier examples F15s from UK and Incirlik, B1s from PG area are the extreme ranges of what is remotely possible assuming early notification, some reasonable alert status, and a State department on the ball. The just mentioned three are not very likely.

And forget about drones - Predators are around 100kts (and don't have the range. The rumored Predator must have already been on station for other purposes - unless it was another drone (Reaper or GH) which had longer range and could have been further out.

From a realistic view only Aviano and Spangdelham (an extra hour in just flight time) were practical and it would need to have some level of alert status, available tanking, host nation permission, and some luck - oh and a properly operating State department. The guys on the ground would move heaven and earth for these people if the information was known.

Thanks John. Plausible explanation.

I remember Bush saying we were at war with a new kind of enemy after
9/11 and would need to fight differently. That was 15 years ago, and the talk
of small highly trained, quick response groups to respond to terror attacks is evidently not complete.
Of course cutting the military budget has not helped.

How much has Pres. Obama cut the military budget?

How did he cut the military w/o the Repub. agreeing to those cuts?

Obama actually didn't get the military spending increase he requested in the last budget.

No, he got 6% instead of 6. 5%
Sometimes is not how much you get it's how you spend it .
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I wonder how many ships got built bc Sen. Lott got $ put into the budget so they would be built in Miss. even though the navy didn't want them or bc some Sen. wanted planes built in his district or some Congressman didn't want a base closed the Army wanted to close.

Give the $ to the Military and let them decide how to spend it.

I think the number of active US naval ships is at an all-time low.
At least they're getting a product for that money , they could be giving it away to illegal aliens
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Yes, a product that the military says they don't want or need.

Wasn't it Romney who made that same statement and it was proven false? You do know comparing an aircraft carrier to a ship from 1890 might not be the best comparison.

Do you have a link to show that the number of ships is at an all time low?

I guess al time low was a stretch , since 1911 is more accurate . I think the number of air craft carriers is lower also . There are a number of good articles on it , use Google
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Considering a modern ship can project the firepower of multiple older ships I render this talking point lame.
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That .5% cut on the Military Budget amounts to $5 BILLION less.
You can support a lot of special anti terrorist strike forces with that,
small and large.

Large ships do have the fire power, but having enough to strategically deploy
is another story. The more the better, if we had a carrier deployed in the Mediteranian
at the time, we wouldn't be having this discussion about Benghazi.

Do you know how many kids could receive Pell grants with $5 billion dollars ?
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Are qualified applicants being denied Pell grants? Can't we do both military and Pell grants. Must it be either or?

now that's putting your Bernie Thinking Cap on....funny, when you go to the WIKI page for Pell Grants this appears on the first line... "It is an entitlement"....you can replace Pell Grants with just about any entitlement and make the argument that someone would be better off somewhere if they got free something rather than the government spending that money on something else

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/...ever-graduate/

http://www.theatlantic.com/education...enroll/407311/

Yes another entitlement. How about increasing Soc Sec benefits for seniors who have paid in all there lives ? It all depends as to where you are in life as to what you want
Kids can always find a way to go through college by working, scholarships,
loans, community college etc.

However unless you have a strong military to defend
the country and be in a strong position to negotiate and fight terrorism everything else is mute.

And don't forget doing service in the military .
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I did a search and everything i read said that the lowest amount was during the Bush admin.
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I never knew that there was any types of coalition re Libya.
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Sure, Libya was a UN action really driven by the French and British.
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I agree Buck, you can get one of the best educations in the world at West Point,
Annapolis and the Air force academy. Won't cost you a dime, just a 4 year
service stint for your country after graduation.
There is always a way if you really want it.

LOL. As long as you don't consider an education in independent thinking and building a sense of individualism. 😂😂😂😂
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I have one Niece and 2 Nephews that are working for Fortune 500 companies
since finishing service after Annapolis. We should all be making their salaries
and holding their positions. :hihi:

I've noticed that the more someone declares themselves an "independent thinker" and criticizes those deemed non...the less likely you are to get an independent or original thought out of them...you usually get oft recited talking points and tired platitudes which I guess is somehow better than non-independent thinking or "dependent" thinking? :rollem:

I think buckman is referring to kids earning college money through enlisting..

Very very VERY few kids are going to get into academies.

I know a kid that was Top 5 in class, national honor society, class president, and an Eagle Scout.......had his recommendation from his senator....still didn't get into the Air Force Academy.....
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Key words here are "working for".
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Benghaaazziiiiiiiii
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That young man will be a great success no matter what because
he has worked very hard to obtain it. Compare his record
to the kids who want A's with D efforts.
Somebody did a good job bringing him up. :hihi:

I expect to see him running for office someday. And I'm not just saying......he will be.

....and I would have no problem voting for him
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I would too, as long as he kept honoring the Boy Scout Oath.
I wish we had a candidate now who would do just that. :hihi:

Not in this current roster.....
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EB just reported they will be hiring a ton. Maybe not carriers, but they are still cranking out ships...

I heard that too. That's great news
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