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scottw 03-15-2016 01:21 AM

dems are funny...

from POLITICO- "Bill Clinton referred to Barack Obama as a Chicago thug during the 2008 presidential campaign. This after Clinton some years earlier had told Juanita Broaddrick, ‘Put some ice on that lip’ after she said he raped her.”

OBAMA’S VIOLENT RHETORIC

June 7, 2010 “Whose Ass To Kick”

June 13, 2008 “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama told the audience. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

September 18, 2008 “Argue With Neighbors, Get In Their Face”

March 30, 2009 “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry. I’m angry.”

August 8, 2009 “I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don’t mind cleaning up after them, but don’t do a lot of talking.”

February 28, 2009 “I know they [the special interests and lobbyists] are gearing up for a fight as we speak. My message to them is this: so am I.”

summer of 2009 Senior White House adviser David Axelrod and deputy chief of staff Jim Messina told Democrat Senators, “If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard.”

2010 midterm campaign Obama urged Hispanics to “punish our enemies”

December 13, 2010 “I will be happy to see the Republicans test whether or not I’m itching for a fight on a whole range of issues,” Obama said last week. “I suspect they will find I am.

October 7, 2010 “If they’re successful in doing that, they’ve already said they’re going to go back to the same policies that were in place during the Bush administration. That means that we are going to have just hand-to-hand combat up here on Capitol Hill.”

....from CNN

"dozens of protesters disrupted Trump's rally inside a Kansas City theater, crowds of demonstrators gathered outside.

As Trump supporters left the venue, protesters shouted and cursed at them -- and any passersby coming from the direction of the theater -- calling them "f***ing racists."

Alicia Valeanzela, who was shouting those words at people she believed to be Trump supporters, said she believed anyone supporting Trump supports a racist, xenophobic ideology.

"He's a f***ing bigot. He's an a**hole," she said.

Among those targeted by the protesters' cries were the Toates family: father Phillip, his wife and their three children, including a 10-year-old son.

"How do they know I even attended the rally? They say Trump's all about hate, but we have not been about hate and that's the way we got treated when we came out," said Phillip Toates, who said he is leaning toward supporting Trump but is still undecided."


http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/12/politi...rump-protests/

Trump should call for term limits for Congress members and free mental screenings for liberals....it would be "AMAZING"

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2.../donald-trump/

who is CAUSING the violence at Trump rallies?

wdmso 03-15-2016 04:37 AM

your example: September 18, 2008 “Argue With Neighbors, Get In Their Face”

the whole quote

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they're independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face!"

Sorry I didn't have time to debunk all your comparision examples

I guess Trump supporters would only focus on the Get in their face part of the message and see it as a green light to assault people or spit in their Face .. or a call to violence

While those of us who need mental screenings would read the whole statement in the context of sell the message dont give up.. argue your position be loud and be heard .. But I guess thats what separates us from Trump supporters

And now he want to arrest protester for protesting he's going to press charges against them Interesting

buckman 03-15-2016 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1096253)
your example: September 18, 2008 “Argue With Neighbors, Get In Their Face”

the whole quote

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they're independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face!"

Sorry I didn't have time to debunk all your comparision examples

I guess Trump supporters would only focus on the Get in their face part of the message and see it as a green light to assault people or spit in their Face .. or a call to violence

While those of us who need mental screenings would read the whole statement in the context of sell the message dont give up.. argue your position be loud and be heard .. But I guess thats what separates us from Trump supporters

And now he want to arrest protester for protesting he's going to press charges against them Interesting

Now that Trump has been awarded Secret Service protection, protesters threatening him can face serious consequences.
Trump supporters certainly have the legal right to protect themselves from groups that have a violent past. From the videos I saw, Trump supporters were protecting themselves . I have yet to see Trump supporters burning down buildings , looting and beating up people simply because they are of a different race .
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scottw 03-15-2016 06:38 AM

what an incredible ability to ignore the behavior or these "protesters" as well as the history of this type of behavior from the left and instead focus on Trump as some kind of exception and ....how about democrat supporting unions, how have they behaved over the years particularly around election time? democrats have been thugs in general, have set the standard for bad behavior and now act horrified that Trump kinda resembles them...too damn funny.....:huh:

spence 03-15-2016 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1096256)
Now that Trump has been awarded Secret Service protection, protesters threatening him can face serious consequences.
Trump supporters certainly have the legal right to protect themselves from groups that have a violent past. From the videos I saw, Trump supporters were protecting themselves . I have yet to see Trump supporters burning down buildings , looting and beating up people simply because they are of a different race .
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Yea, like sucker punching a protester walking out of the arena? Has there been a since incident of a Trump protester actually starting a fight?

Do you have any idea why the protesters are so upset?

scottw 03-15-2016 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1096259)

Do you have any idea why the protesters are so upset?

yup...cause after 8 years of hoping for change their lives still suck and they want to blame someone...they apparently have the time in their lives to go to a rally for someone they'll never support to express hate and make asses out of themselves...probably just wanna be on the news

spence 03-15-2016 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1096263)
yup...cause after 8 years of hoping for change their lives still suck and they want to blame someone...they apparently have the time in their lives to go to a rally for someone they'll never support to express hate and make asses out of themselves...probably just wanna be on the news

I was talking about the protesters, not the Trump supporters.

There goes that number 8 again...

buckman 03-15-2016 07:16 AM

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Do you have any idea why the protesters are so upset?[/QUOTE]

Well a vast majority of them I believe need to find some sort of narcissistic self important issue to latch on to , so they can call them self an activist whatever the #^&#^&#^&#^& that means . Other than that, no, I have no idea what they stand for .
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scottw 03-15-2016 07:19 AM

I don't think the Trump supporters are upset...seems like they are there having a great time till the protesters show up uninvited acting like fools and warranting arrest in some cases....


Trump tried to go to one of the most violent cities in the world the other day, completely run by democrats for decades....and Trump was accused of inciting violence....hilarious....mental disorder

spence 03-15-2016 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1096267)
I don't think the Trump supporters are upset...seems like they are there having a great time till the protesters show up uninvited acting like fools and warranting arrest in some cases....

Of course they're having a great time, who doesn't like a free show?

buckman 03-15-2016 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1096273)
Of course they're having a great time, who doesn't like a free show?

And the protesters ...Of course they're having a great time . Who doesn't like everything for free .
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Jim in CT 03-15-2016 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1096259)

Do you have any idea why the protesters are so upset?

No one likes getting offended, and Trump is offensive.

So is Al Sharpton. Yet you don't see white conservatives rioting to prevent him from speaking.

WHY IS THAT, SPENCE?

Liberals would be well-served to take 5 minutes and read the Bill Of Rights, there must be a children's pop-up book version of it somewhere. In there, it says Trump has the right to free speech, and that his supporters have the right to free assembly.

Nowhere in there, does it say that liberals have the right to never be offended. That right doesn't exist.

Liberals love plurality of everything, except ideas.

buckman 03-15-2016 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1096291)
No one likes getting offended, and Trump is offensive.

So is Al Sharpton. Yet you don't see white conservatives rioting to prevent him from speaking.

WHY IS THAT, SPENCE?

Liberals would be well-served to take 5 minutes and read the Bill Of Rights, there must be a children's pop-up book version of it somewhere. In there, it says Trump has the right to free speech, and that his supporters have the right to free assembly.

Nowhere in there, does it say that liberals have the right to never be offended. That right doesn't exist.

Liberals love plurality of everything, except ideas.

Jim , I don't find what Trymp says as that offensive . It seams you have fallen for the Romney / media talking points . What he says is off the cuff , without script band almost always portrayed out of context . You're too bright to fall for that and certainly able to read between the lines . It's refreshing to have that, as even Megyn Kelly has said . He is a master at dominating the air waves . I believe he just might be a bit smarter then you give him credit for .
He shouldn't even be used in the same post as an Al Sharpton.
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spence 03-15-2016 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1096295)
Jim , I don't find what Trymp says as that offensive . It seams you have fallen for the Romney / media talking points .

If my kids talked like Trump they'd get suspended from school. In nearly every situation where he could speak like a leader he instead turns to obscenities, division and blaming others. He seems willing to make just about anything up to suit his point and pull the worst from people.

He's a just con artist and a masterful one at that.

detbuch 03-15-2016 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1096297)
If my kids talked like Trump they'd get suspended from school. In nearly every situation where he could speak like a leader he instead turns to obscenities, division and blaming others. He seems willing to make just about anything up to suit his point and pull the worst from people.

He's a just con artist and a masterful one at that.

Again you say things about a Republican that can be said about Democrats. What's your point? Is it that Trump is better at it?

Jim in CT 03-15-2016 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1096295)
Jim , I don't find what Trymp says as that offensive . It seams you have fallen for the Romney / media talking points . What he says is off the cuff , without script band almost always portrayed out of context . You're too bright to fall for that and certainly able to read between the lines . It's refreshing to have that, as even Megyn Kelly has said . He is a master at dominating the air waves . I believe he just might be a bit smarter then you give him credit for .
He shouldn't even be used in the same post as an Al Sharpton.
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"I don't find what Trymp says as that offensive"

He said he didn't respect John McCain because he was captured, and he made fun of Carly Fiorina's looks. I think I have pretty thick skin, but I don't know how anyone can fail to be deeply offended by that.

I could care less about what 'offends' the liberals who live in the upper west side of Manhattan or Hollywood, bit those are the things that offend me.

spence 03-15-2016 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1096299)
He said he didn't respect John McCain because he was captured, and he made fun of Carly Fiorina's looks. I think I have pretty thick skin, but I don't know how anyone can fail to be deeply offended by that.

Couldn't agree more. The McCain comment was over the top. Making fun of a person's looks is great lesson to teach your kids.

Jim in CT 03-15-2016 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1096297)
He's a just con artist and a masterful one at that.

Based on the fact that you won't concede that Hilary has ever lied, I'd say she conned you pretty good.

She also says I am pro-life because I hate wonen's health (in reality it's because I have empathy for the baby), that if I am concerned about our debt it's because I hate poor people, if I want secure borders it's because I hate Mexicans, if I support freedom of religion it's because I hate homosexuals, blah blah blah.

Part of the reason why people like Trump, is because when liberals inevitably hit below the belt (which they do when they know they can't debate the merits of their positions), Trump (unlike Bush, McCain, and Romney) will roll up his sleeves, put on a pair of brass knuckles, and hit back, hard, and call you nasty names while he's doing it. Some of those people deserve exactly that.

He goes too far, and he does it to people who don't deserve it...that's my isue with it. But we need someone, when Hilary claims to be a feminist, who will tell her to STFU, that she has no moral authority on feminism because of who she married, and how she attacked his victims. I genuinely respect Trump's willingness to call that crap out for EXACTLY what it is.

If all conservatives responded a bit more like Trump, liberals would be a lot less likely to lie about what conservatives believe. He's a lot like Ann Coulter, but more so. I have seen Ann Coulter put these smug liberals in their place, and leave them unable to respond, more times than I can count.

spence 03-15-2016 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1096298)
Again you say things about a Republican that can be said about Democrats. What's your point? Is it that Trump is better at it?

I don't think there's any parity between Trump and and Democrats running for office.

Jim in CT 03-15-2016 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1096300)
Couldn't agree more. The McCain comment was over the top. Making fun of a person's looks is great lesson to teach your kids.

Yet it doesn't bother you one bit when Hilary says that because I am anti-abortion, I therefore don't care about women's health.

I have never, not once, ever, heard a liberal say "I respect that pro-life people have empathy for the baby. However, I believe that empathy is mis-placed for the following reasons..."

They never, ever do that. Because if the issue is debated honestly like that, my side suddenly looks a lot less repugnant, and liberals can't deal with that, even if it's the truth.

detbuch 03-15-2016 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1096303)
I don't think there's any parity between Trump and and Democrats running for office.

There is a great deal of similarity. I don't know what you mean by parity.

And I was referring to your "In nearly every situation where he could speak like a leader he instead turns to . . . division and blaming others. He seems willing to make just about anything up to suit his point and pull the worst from people" as being something you could also say about Democrats. Obama for instance.

Jim in CT 03-15-2016 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1096303)
I don't think there's any parity between Trump and and Democrats running for office.

Of course not, because you will not (or cannot, I'm not sure which) hold Democrats to any moral standards, or call them out when they violate said standards.

Trump is more crass and vulgar than anyone we've seen in a while. But I don't think he's much more divisive than Hilary or Obama. It's just that liberals aren't used to being on the receiving end of it. And they don't like it at all. But they are completely at ease dishing it out. Listen to Deb Wasserman Shultz for 10 seconds, and tell me I'm wrong.

If liberals practiced what they preached in terms of tolerance, I'd wager Trump would not be in the race right now. Just my opinion.

Jim in CT 03-15-2016 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1096298)
Again you say things about a Republican that can be said about Democrats. What's your point? Is it that Trump is better at it?

BINGO. Liberals are finding out that it's a lot nicer to be the one dishing that out, than being on the receiving end of it. That's the only real difference, although you'd have to say Trump is more boorish about it too.

buckman 03-15-2016 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1096299)
"I don't find what Trymp says as that offensive"

He said he didn't respect John McCain because he was captured, and he made fun of Carly Fiorina's looks. I think I have pretty thick skin, but I don't know how anyone can fail to be deeply offended by that.

I could care less about what 'offends' the liberals who live in the upper west side of Manhattan or Hollywood, bit those are the things that offend me.

I'll agree he does occasionally say some pretty outlandish things , everyone does . You just called him a con artist , nice talking point , but you have no evidence that this is a con . How is that so much different .
I grew up in a large Irish family , we always kid each other and I can't ever remember anyone being upset . People are too sensitive now a days , it creates all kinda stress and hate .
Lighten up
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Nebe 03-15-2016 11:28 AM

People who are rooting for trump are all being duped. It's obvious he is doing all of this for media attention and is going to cash in big time after the election with a movie or another reality TV show.
Some of the people who love this guy are the ones who think duck dynasty is real and that the characters are real and that reality tv is unscripted.

Sorry for the rant
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Nebe 03-15-2016 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1096312)
I'll agree he does occasionally say some pretty outlandish things , everyone does . You just called him a con artist , nice talking point , but you have no evidence that this is a con . How is that so much different .
I grew up in a large Irish family , we always kid each other and I can't ever remember anyone being upset . People are too sensitive now a days , it creates all kinda stress and hate .
Lighten up
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Trump is certainly a con artist.
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Jim in CT 03-15-2016 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1096312)
I'll agree he does occasionally say some pretty outlandish things , everyone does . You just called him a con artist , nice talking point , but you have no evidence that this is a con . How is that so much different .
I grew up in a large Irish family , we always kid each other and I can't ever remember anyone being upset . People are too sensitive now a days , it creates all kinda stress and hate .
Lighten up
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"everyone does"

Not everyone could say that John McCain's capture means he doesn't deserve respect. 99% of Americans would be incapable of saying that out loud.

When he hits back at people who have it coming, I genuinely respect it.

Finally, maybe my biggest issue with him, is this...I have no way of knowing what he really believes, about some issues I care deeply about. A few years ago, his stated posiitons were a lot more aligned with the liberal wing of the Democratic party, than the GOP. Maybe he genuinely saw the light.

Also, even if I loved everything about him, I am objective enough to know that his nomination could mean we hand the Oval Office, and far worse the Congress, back to the Democrats. I'd rather win with my second choice, then get clobbered with my first choice.

Nebe 03-15-2016 11:48 AM

Boom!!! Nebe is right once again.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...tion-by-trump/
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spence 03-15-2016 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1096315)
Finally, maybe my biggest issue with him, is this...I have no way of knowing what he really believes, about some issues I care deeply about. A few years ago, his stated posiitons were a lot more aligned with the liberal wing of the Democratic party, than the GOP. Maybe he genuinely saw the light.

It's cold calculation. Trump is intentionally scrambling things up in an attempt to create a new voting block where he's the only candidate.

We can call it the "Reality Tea Vee Party"

The Dad Fisherman 03-15-2016 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1096297)
In nearly every situation where he could speak like a leader he instead turns to obscenities, division and blaming others. He seems willing to make just about anything up to suit his point and pull the worst from people.

He's a just con artist and a masterful one at that.

Sounds just like Sharpton
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buckman 03-15-2016 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1096315)
"everyone does"

Not everyone could say that John McCain's capture means he doesn't deserve respect. 99% of Americans would be incapable of saying that out loud.

When he hits back at people who have it coming, I genuinely respect it.

Finally, maybe my biggest issue with him, is this...I have no way of knowing what he really believes, about some issues I care deeply about. A few years ago, his stated posiitons were a lot more aligned with the liberal wing of the Democratic party, than the GOP. Maybe he genuinely saw the light.

Also, even if I loved everything about him, I am objective enough to know that his nomination could mean we hand the Oval Office, and far worse the Congress, back to the Democrats. I'd rather win with my second choice, then get clobbered with my first choice.

I'm not sure we know the position of any of them . They all muddle there position to cater to the crowd . I don't think he can be accused of the pandering and empty promises the others are guilty of . You have to take some of his words as symbolic . He's not outright lying and I'm starting to believe his ego will prevent him from being dishonest . The others make a living at being dishonest .
When it comes down to him or Hillary you simple have no choice .
After today it's over
Sorry Nebe , Bernie is a done too
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buckman 03-15-2016 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1096320)
Sounds just like Sharpton
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Or Obama ... A legacy of missed opportunity
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detbuch 03-15-2016 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1096317)
Boom!!! Nebe is right once again.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...tion-by-trump/
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I wouldn't be surprised if Trump offered Carson something to sweeten the pot if he got his endorsement. That's the first thing I thought when Ben did endorse. But what Carson said on the video does not say a position was offered. Only some vague, still very liquid notion of an advisory relationship.

And Carson's explicitly stated reason he endorsed Trump was well thought out and logical.

Jim in CT 03-15-2016 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1096318)
Trump is intentionally scrambling things up in an attempt to create a new voting block where he's the only candidate.

We can call it the "Reality Tea Vee Party"

Would be more accurate to call it "page 1 of the Democratic playbook". Splinter society into as many fragmented "victim" groups as possible, convince said victims that the GOP is to blame for all of their problems, and hope it adds up to 51% of the electorate.

If Mexicans ever start voting for the GOP, watch how fast the Dems change their tune on immigration. They'll build a one-way, high speed train for these people that will take them to the southern tip of South America.

Jim in CT 03-15-2016 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1096320)
Sounds just like Sharpton
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Correct!

Yet Sharpton gets (1) his own TV show, and (2) regular invitations from Obama to come to DC to discuss policy. And at the same time, liberals don't want to let Trump speak.

Jim in CT 03-15-2016 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1096321)
I'm not sure we know the position of any of them . They all muddle there position to cater to the crowd . I don't think he can be accused of the pandering and empty promises the others are guilty of . You have to take some of his words as symbolic . He's not outright lying and I'm starting to believe his ego will prevent him from being dishonest . The others make a living at being dishonest .
When it comes down to him or Hillary you simple have no choice .
After today it's over
Sorry Nebe , Bernie is a done too
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Find me a video of Ted Cruz zaying he's pro-abortion.

If Trump is the nominee, i will plug my nose and vote for him against Hilary. But I won't be as proud to do it as I was in 08 or 12, not even close.

buckman 03-15-2016 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1096327)
Find me a video of Ted Cruz zaying he's pro-abortion.

If Trump is the nominee, i will plug my nose and vote for him against Hilary. But I won't be as proud to do it as I was in 08 or 12, not even close.

I changed my own position on abortion so I can relate .
Cruz is my favorite but I don't think he can beat Trump in the primary
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Nebe 03-15-2016 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1096324)
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump offered Carson something to sweeten the pot if he got his endorsement. That's the first thing I thought when Ben did endorse. But what Carson said on the video does not say a position was offered. Only some vague, still very liquid notion of an advisory relationship.

And Carson's explicitly stated reason he endorsed Trump was well thought out and logical.

I would think the same is to be assumed with Cristy's endorsement. Looking out for number 1 always
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spence 03-15-2016 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1096320)
Sounds just like Sharpton
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Is Al Sharpton a front running presidential candidate? Has he ever been?

The Dad Fisherman 03-15-2016 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1096351)
Is Al Sharpton a front running presidential candidate? Has he ever been?

Funny, your original post didn't mention anything about president.....you said leader.

You know you can be a leader without a title.....done all the time by people of upstanding character.
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