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Nebe 12-05-2017 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1132896)
Yes I mean if. Nothing has been passed by both houses of Congress yet. If the gop cuts vital services, shame on them, and they deserve to get creamed. They are saying they aren’t doing that. The liberals are saying they are doing that. It’s not established whatbisbtrue. I heard they were hurting Medicare, Mitch McConnell said it’s not true, and he’s not a hard-right liar.
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Medicaid won’t be cut? Yeah right!
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The Dad Fisherman 12-05-2017 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1132882)
How is that changing the subject? The subject, was whether or not anything in the email leak, revealed unethical behavior?

There was a study done that showed that excessive consumption of Kool-Aid, coupled with over exposure to tinfoil, lead to increased instances of Early onset Dementia in laboratory rats and liberals

Jim in CT 12-05-2017 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1132901)
There was a study done that showed that excessive consumption of Kool-Aid, coupled with over exposure to tinfoil, lead to increased instances of Early onset Dementia in laboratory rats and liberals

I mean, I can't claim that I don't root for one side (sorry, side is now hate speech), party...but to claim that it's not a big deal when a TV station that calls itself a source for "news", is taking active steps to cheat for one candidate...it's amazing.

The reason we guarantee freedom of the press, is so that they can give us ACCURATE information. For the press to use those freedoms to tilt the scales in favor of a presidential candidate? THAT is a direct threat to our democracy. Because the people who run networks would control the elections, rather than the voters. It's unbelievable.

Whatever is in that Kool-Aid, I could use some, I'm taking the family to Disneyworld next week...

Jim in CT 12-05-2017 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1132898)
Medicaid won’t be cut? Yeah right!
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Mitch McConell says no.

detbuch 12-05-2017 01:36 PM

Different strokes for different folks. Clinton aides lied to FBI--no punishment:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

scottw 12-06-2017 03:48 AM

this is just remarkable...seems what we really need is a special prosecutor to investigate the hyper-partisanship, obstruction and collusion that is rampant within the "justice" department and FBI:kewl:

wdmso 12-06-2017 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1132907)
Different strokes for different folks. Clinton aides lied to FBI--no punishment:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp



Whataboutism (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument, which is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda.

scottw 12-06-2017 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1132929)
Whataboutism (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument, which is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda.

I see what you did there..the russians again...what is the definition of "justice"?

spence 12-06-2017 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1132888)
Wrong, it was a debate with Trump.

So the media conspiring to influence the outcome of a presidential election, is no big deal to you. But the public learning the truth about what team Hilary did during the campaign, THAT concerns you. Well that makes all kinds of sense.

Everyone who thinks Spence would still think it was no big deal if they gave debate questions ahead of time to the republican candidate, raise your hand? Anyone?

"Trump then lies and claims it was hurting him"

The media is serially unfair to him.

Please for once fact check yourself.
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spence 12-06-2017 01:54 PM

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...82070?lo=ap_a1

This doesn't look good.
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Jim in CT 12-06-2017 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1132957)
Please for once fact check yourself.
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So Donna Brazile, as an employee of CNN, didn't sneak a debate question to her preferred presidential candidate, in the hopes of helping her win? Yes or no?

spence 12-06-2017 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1132960)
So Donna Brazile, as an employee of CNN, didn't sneak a debate question to her preferred presidential candidate, in the hopes of helping her win? Yes or no?

Not against Trump.

scottw 12-06-2017 04:32 PM

did the democrats just vote to impeach trump for
"high misdemeanors" ?

Jim in CT 12-06-2017 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1132965)
Not against Trump.

You are correct, it was against Bernie. How is it not an act that undermines the democratic process? I guess your side doesn’t give a fig about that, or they wouldn’t have superdelegates used theyvway you use them, the sole purpose of which is to reverse the democratic process if the DNC leaders don’t happen to like the way it turned out.
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spence 12-06-2017 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1132982)
You are correct, it was against Bernie. How is it not an act that undermines the democratic process? I guess your side doesn’t give a fig about that, or they wouldn’t have superdelegates used theyvway you use them, the sole purpose of which is to reverse the democratic process if the DNC leaders don’t happen to like the way it turned out.
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I don't see how a democratic operative telling a democratic candidate about a single town hall debate topic is "undermining our democratic process." It's a bit of foul play on Brazile's part but statistically insignificant as far as the debates were concerned.

Slipknot 12-06-2017 08:19 PM

you know Jim, the RNC would have done similar to keep Trump out if they could have

Slipknot 12-06-2017 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1132984)
I don't see how a democratic operative telling a democratic candidate about a single town hall debate topic is "undermining our democratic process." It's a bit of foul play on Brazile's part but statistically insignificant as far as the debates were concerned.

insignificant in your mind maybe, the fix was in admit it

Jim in CT 12-06-2017 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1132984)
I don't see how a democratic operative telling a democratic candidate about a single town hall debate topic is "undermining our democratic process." It's a bit of foul play on Brazile's part but statistically insignificant as far as the debates were concerned.

"I don't see how a democratic operative"

She also worked for CNN, are you conceding that CNN is part of the Democratic party?

"It's a bit of foul play on Brazile's part"

Which she denied, then admitted doing it and said she was proud...

"statistically insignificant as far as the debates were concerned"

As opposed to the Wikileaks email dumps, which merely told the truth about what the Democrats were doing. Is there evidence that the email dumps had a statistically significant effect on the election?

Jim in CT 12-06-2017 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1132991)
you know Jim, the RNC would have done similar to keep Trump out if they could have

A great point to bring up.

They could have if they chose to. Foxnews hosted a debate. People there could have sabotaged Trump's performance if they wanted to. They did not. And THAT tells you a lot about the 2 parties. The GOP establishment hated Trump, were praying he would not be the candidate. But they let the process play out as it's supposed to.

The GOP doesn't have superdelegates whose sole purpose is to undermine the democratic process if desired.

Sea Dangles 12-06-2017 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1132992)
insignificant in your mind maybe, the fix was in admit it

Until people like Jeff understand that is a bad look for the dems,they will run into stiff resistance.
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scottw 12-08-2017 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1132958)
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...82070?lo=ap_a1

This doesn't look good.
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how about this....aaannnd...what happened to that?


Judge(Rudolph Contreras) recuses in Michael Flynn case

By JOSH GERSTEIN 12/07/2017

.......

Judge Rudolph Contreras is one of a very small group of FISA Court Judges.

Judge Contreras may be the judge who signed off on the FISA warrant that led to the surveillance of Donald Trump’s campaign officials, that included National Security Advisor General Michael Flynn.

Those FBI FISA warrants are now coming under scrutiny.

It would be EXPLOSIVE if it turned out that the FISA warrants were gained by deception, misleading information, manipulated information, or fraud:huh:…. and that warrant led to the wiretapping and surveillance of General Michael Flynn was authorized by Contreras…. who would now be the judge in Flynn’s case.


the plot thickens :cool:

scottw 12-09-2017 05:26 AM

this whole Russia, collusion etc. thing is coming back on the democrats like a boomerang....Trump Effect

and the media...fake news all week......Three stories in the past seven days have crumbled under greater scrutiny.

The misses

Flynn's testimony: Last Friday, ABC News reported that former national security advisor Michael Flynn was prepared to testify that President Trump, while still a candidate, directed him to contact Russian officials. But later in the day, the network issued a "clarification" that the direction came when Trump was president-elect. That changed the impact of the story entirely as it's a common occurrence for presidential transition teams to reach out to foreign governments.

Deutsche Bank subpoena: Reuters and Bloomberg both reported on Tuesday that Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation had subpoenaed Deutsche Bank for information on accounts relating to President Trump and his family members — seemingly confirming that Mueller had expanded his probe to investigate the president's financial dealings. The WSJ defused that bombshell in a follow-up report stating that the subpoenas actually dealt with "people or entities close to Mr. Trump."

WikiLeaks emails: CNN reported this morning that senior Trump campaign officials, including Trump himself, received an email from an unknown sender on September 4, 2016 that linked them to what could have been unreleased WikiLeaks documents. WaPo issued their own report later in the afternoon that the email was actually sent on September 14 — and linked to a trove of documents that WikiLeaks had publicly released a day earlier.

spence 12-09-2017 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1133181)
this whole Russia, collusion etc. thing is coming back on the democrats like a boomerang....Trump Effect

and the media...fake news all week......Three stories in the past seven days have crumbled under greater scrutiny.

The misses

Flynn's testimony: Last Friday, ABC News reported that former national security advisor Michael Flynn was prepared to testify that President Trump, while still a candidate, directed him to contact Russian officials. But later in the day, the network issued a "clarification" that the direction came when Trump was president-elect. That changed the impact of the story entirely as it's a common occurrence for presidential transition teams to reach out to foreign governments.

Deutsche Bank subpoena: Reuters and Bloomberg both reported on Tuesday that Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation had subpoenaed Deutsche Bank for information on accounts relating to President Trump and his family members — seemingly confirming that Mueller had expanded his probe to investigate the president's financial dealings. The WSJ defused that bombshell in a follow-up report stating that the subpoenas actually dealt with "people or entities close to Mr. Trump."

WikiLeaks emails: CNN reported this morning that senior Trump campaign officials, including Trump himself, received an email from an unknown sender on September 4, 2016 that linked them to what could have been unreleased WikiLeaks documents. WaPo issued their own report later in the afternoon that the email was actually sent on September 14 — and linked to a trove of documents that WikiLeaks had publicly released a day earlier.

Actually the investigation appears to be charging along. You're just caught up in the turbulence of those trying to spin it away.
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