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scottw 04-20-2018 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1141447)

My rear is fine..... .I don't really adhere to a party....

hall of fame stuff

Jim in CT 04-20-2018 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1141447)
My rear is fine but thanks for thinking about it. I don't really adhere to a party so I'm not sure who I'm giving a pass to but I do think a lot of issues need to be put into perspective.

"I don't really adhere to a party"

I have no words.

" I do think a lot of issues need to be put into perspective"

And context, don't forget context.

Pete F. 04-20-2018 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1141455)

maybe someday books will be written.....please tell me how, with regard to national security, what "Scooter, be careful" did or didn't do, is
that worse than what Hillary did in her handling of classified material?

Classic “BH”
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Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

scottw 04-20-2018 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1141460)
Classic “BH”
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

ummm...you injected "Scooter careful" in the context of national security regarding BH.....:kewl:....classic "BS"

spence 04-20-2018 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1141460)
Classic “BH”
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Funny thing is while Scott makes fun of Plame for being a woman he doesn't realize she was actually a covert field operative in Greece for years recruiting spies for the CIA and when she was outed was leading a secret team recruiting Iraqi nationals in the US to go back to Iraq and spy on Saddam.

I'm also not sure Scott even read his copy and paste. The Wilson lawsuit wasn't dismissed because it lacked merit, it was dismissed because Wilson didn't demonstrate that it belonged in a Federal court.

scottw 04-20-2018 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1141462)
Funny thing is while Scott makes fun of Plame for being a woman he doesn't realize she was actually a covert field operative in Greece for years recruiting spies for the CIA and when she was outed was leading a secret team recruiting Iraqi nationals in the US to go back to Iraq and spy on Saddam.

I'm also not sure Scott even read his copy and paste. The Wilson lawsuit wasn't dismissed because it lacked merit, it was dismissed because Wilson didn't demonstrate that it belonged in a Federal court.

still keeping busy too...


" She has been keeping busy in the years since she retired from the C.I.A. and moved, with her husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, from Washington to Sante Fe, writing spy thrillers and raising teenage twins. She turned one of her books, a memoir about the 2003 scandal that bears her name, into a movie starring Sean Penn and Naomi Watts. But it is her obsession with nuclear weapons that has inspired her most recent, and most quixotic, bout of activism.

This week, Plame, who works closely with counter-proliferation group Global Zero, announced a new crowd-funding campaign to buy a controlling stake in Twitter and force the company to ban Trump from the platform. “Time and again his use of this huge global platform has major consequences in the real world,” Plame writes on her GoFundMe page. “Trump has already brought us closer to nuclear war than any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis. We can’t take Trump’s nukes away (yet!), but we can take away his biggest megaphone and stop him from tweeting armageddon.”

The plan is ambitious, to say the least. Plame is seeking to raise $1 billion, in what would be the largest crowd-funding campaign of all time. Similar plans went nowhere when a group of shareholders petitioned Twitter to sell itself to its users earlier this year, nor when Mexican currency traders floated a bid to buy the company and immediately shut it down. Still, Plame is deadly serious about the idea—"

spence 04-20-2018 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1141463)
still keeping busy too...

Wow, talented, courageous, patriotic and ambitious. She is impressive to say the least.

detbuch 04-20-2018 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1141464)
Wow, talented, courageous, patriotic and ambitious. She is impressive to say the least.

So is Trump. And it doesn't absolve Fitzgerald for railroading Scooter.

spence 04-20-2018 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1141466)
So is Trump. And it doesn't absolve Fitzgerald for railroading Scooter.

I don't think I'd ascribe much of that to Trump aside for the ambitious part, but it would be hard to feed that ego without some drive.

Libby may have been a fall guy but that doesn't absolve him from what the grand jury found.

detbuch 04-20-2018 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1141468)
I don't think I'd ascribe much of that to Trump aside for the ambitious part, but it would be hard to feed that ego without some drive.

That is such a disgusting, squirmy, biased opinion.

"Some" drive? "feed that ego"--what feeds yours? Oh that's right, you don't have an ego, you're neutral. You don't "ascribe" to much of that? It doesn't take talent and courage to do what he has done? To create a multi-billion dollar, worldwide business, going from defeat to victory. To defeat several "talented" politicians on a stage in front of a nation. To battle with a mainstream opposition Press in front of the nation? To become President of the United States against all odds? Oh, yeah, Plame is so much more accomplished, talented and courageous than Trump. If you "ascribe" to that, your ascription is questionable at best. More likely, its worthless and obviously prejudiced.

And Trump is not patriotic? He is pushing for policies that return wealth and jobs to our country. He is fighting for tax and regulatory policies that keep more money in the hands of or citizens and loosen the onerous stranglehold government has on our businesses. He strengthens our military.

But he has this past of consensual sex outside of marriage and infidelity during marriage that other Presidents and billionaires and many or most men don't have. Er . . . maybe they do. But, even so, he's a really bad guy. So he must not be courageous, talented, or patriotic.


Libby may have been a fall guy but that doesn't absolve him from what the grand jury found.

It shouldn't have gotten to a grand jury. Fitzgerald knew that Scooter didn't out Plame.

Pete F. 04-20-2018 12:22 PM

I didn’t know Michael Cohen was a member.
Remember Trump is really a Democrat
“In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat,” Trump said in an interview with CNN. “It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn't be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats.... But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we've had some pretty bad disasters under the Republicans.”
I think he might be setting someone up
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spence 04-20-2018 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1141472)
It shouldn't have gotten to a grand jury. Fitzgerald knew that Scooter didn't out Plame.

But he knew he lied to cover it up, blatantly.

Pete F. 04-20-2018 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1141477)
But he knew he lied to cover it up, blatantly.

Don't you know, lying is OK now.
Blatant lies are the best, repeated as often as possible.

detbuch 04-20-2018 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1141477)
But he knew he lied to cover it up, blatantly.

Fitzerald knew that he, himself, blatently, brazenly, illegally, withheld exculpatory information from Scooter's lawyer and from one of his star witnesses, and by which he manipulated a false testimony from Judith Miller. His withholding of evidence was prosecutorial misconduct, a lie of omission, and he knew that the withheld evidence would have severely damaged his case. Fitzgerald knew he was wrongly squeezing Scooter in order to get him to testify against Cheney. He knew Scooter didn't out Plame, but was willing to create the big lie then promise Scooter that he would drop the charges if he would turn on Cheney.

In the end, it turned out that Neither Cheney nor Scooter outed Plame. Armitage did, and he was not prosecuted. Why?

spence 04-20-2018 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1141489)
In the end, it turned out that Neither Cheney nor Scooter outed Plame. Armitage did, and he was not prosecuted. Why?

A more important question was why was she ever outed?

scottw 04-20-2018 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1141495)
A more important question was why was she ever outed?

she raised $88,000 of the 1 billion she needed to buy controlling interest in twitter, so that's something...she's a partisan hack( husband too) just like you

spence 04-20-2018 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1141501)
she raised $88,000 of the 1 billion she needed to buy controlling interest in twitter, so that's something...she's a partisan hack( husband too) just like you

Pathetic.
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Pete F. 04-20-2018 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1141501)
she raised $88,000 of the 1 billion she needed to buy controlling interest in twitter, so that's something...she's a partisan hack( husband too) just like you

Your point
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scottw 04-21-2018 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1141508)
Your point
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

like so many leftist activists, "whistleblowers", protesters, etc... they are a couple of "how dare you criticize these fine people given what they've been forced to endure" hyper partisan hacks who preen to be above it all "I don't really adhere to a party" spies driving Jaguars ( or is it Jag-YOU-ar"?) types milking every media opportunity and penny out of the situation...oddly similar to what we are seeing today from the many of the "embedded" actors in Washington....Sean Penn was a proper choice

this is great...

When, in 1997, the CIA began to fear Plame had been given away - along with other covert overseas operatives - to the Russians by the double agent Aldrich Ames, she was brought back to Washington. There, at a reception given by the then Turkish ambassador, her eyes drifted across the room to meet those of retired US ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV.

He was 13 years older than her, successful and ruggedly handsome. For both, it was love at first sight.

Within weeks, an unusually nervous Plame felt she had something to say. The couple were in bed, making love, as Wilson would later recall. But her husband-to-be had to know: she was an undercover agent."

scottw 04-21-2018 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1141507)
Pathetic.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

I'll take that as a compliment...:wave:


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