both. but more the latter.
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i didn’t mean the school
should encourage nuclear families, i mean all public policy should
be designed to encourage and strengthen nuclear families. paying teenage girls to have babies, and paying them
more to do so if they aren’t married, encourages shattered families. that’s the kind of idiotic public policy that needs to be changed. liberals bashing traditional
family values with every breath, probably doesn’t help
either.

sure, some
good families produce unproductive kids, and one
amazing people come
from tough family situations. but it is by far, the surest way for kids to thrive. i do t think most democrats accept that. family is the bedrock of everything, nothing else comes close. it’s old fashioned and corny, it’s also true.
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Biden politicized curing cancer.

Either you deny he did that ( despite his promise that cancer would be cured if he wins), or you have no problem that he did that.

Which is it? Have fun squirming your way out of this one.
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This says it all too...

there should be two parents who are non binary gender, then you’ve got it. what a great leap forward.

i also taught in a very affluent town a long time ago, and i taught math, and i had parents ask why their kid got a b, and when i said because they typically get about 85% of the questions right, they didn’t like that. i knew parents who threatened to come in with lawyers, rather than help their kids with homework.
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Neither, it's being able to take advantage.
I'm sure there is anecdotal evidence of this family did well despite......
But society as a whole changes incrementally and things have changed over the last 50 years.

These are a few relevant paragraphs from the article I linked above, and will link here again: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...enough/590611/

What I’ve realized, decades late, is that educationism is tragically misguided. American workers are struggling in large part because they are underpaid—and they are underpaid because 40 years of trickle-down policies have rigged the economy in favor of wealthy people like me. Americans are more highly educated than ever before, but despite that, and despite nearly record-low unemployment, most American workers—at all levels of educational attainment—have seen little if any wage growth since 2000.

Meanwhile, nearly all the benefits of economic growth have been captured by large corporations and their shareholders. After-tax corporate profits have doubled from about 5 percent of GDP in 1970 to about 10 percent, even as wages as a share of GDP have fallen by roughly 8 percent. And the wealthiest 1 percent’s share of pre-tax income has more than doubled, from 9 percent in 1973 to 21 percent today. Taken together, these two trends amount to a shift of more than $2 trillion a year from the middle class to corporations and the super-rich.

Today, after wealthy elites gobble up our outsize share of national income, the median American family is left with $76,000 a year. Had hourly compensation grown with productivity since 1973—as it did over the preceding quarter century, according to the Economic Policy Institute—that family would now be earning more than $105,000 a year. Just imagine, education reforms aside, how much larger and stronger and better educated our middle class would be if the median American family enjoyed a $29,000-a-year raise.

We have confused a symptom—educational inequality—with the underlying disease: economic inequality. Schooling may boost the prospects of individual workers, but it doesn’t change the core problem, which is that the bottom 90 percent is divvying up a shrinking share of the national wealth. Fixing that problem will require wealthy people to not merely give more, but take less.

This forum has a serious case of ADD...

Biden's "cancer-cure campaign promise" and current school problems???

Following most threads here is like watching TV with a remote control freak that changes channels like an idiot gamer...

:huh:

i taught in an economically challenged city, and i taught in an insanely wealthy city. One thing i learned without a doubt, is that money is very, very overrated when it comes to raising happy productive kids.

poor kids from living stable homes, are a million times better off, than wealthy kids from chaotic homes. There is no comparison. None.

Fix families and our values and the things we prioritize in our culture, and the rest takes care of itself. spend your time obsessing about the material things beyond your grasp, and you’re doomed.
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Missed the next sentences.

Both poverty and rising inequality are largely consequences of America’s failing education system. Fix that, I believed, and we could cure much of what ails America.
Nope, Nick Hanauer wrote an article in the latest issue of the Atlantic that he feels explains why not.

I didn't miss them, you said America's education system was failing, I asked was it the system that was failing or the people failing to use it. Then you said neither.

The other stuff you posted was really just white noise to what I responded to.

Pete, why is income inequality bad? if bill gates stops working, or if he burns all of his money, is anyone better off?

we need to help
those at the bottom, i agree. their salvation comes nit from confiscating what others have and giving it to them, but in helping them to help themselves.

Income inequality is complete bullsh*t unless you believe that aggregate wealth is finite. Do you believe that if Gates earns $1m today, that means there’s $1m less for the rest of us? if you believe that you’re an ignoramus, if you don’t believe it then you shouldn’t worry about income inequality. those with money, have an easier time
making more
money, that’s basic mathematical reality, it’s not bad, you can’t stop it and there’s no reason to try.

rich people
aren’t causing anyone else’s poverty ( most of the time). you solve a problem by addressing the cause, and one persons poverty is t caused by another persons
wealth.
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have you seen California lately????

oh good....

The New York State Assembly on Wednesday passed legislation granting illegal immigrants the right to obtain a driver’s license by presenting foreign documentation.

The “Green Light” bill, which passed 86–50 along party lines, must now pass the state senate before moving to the desk of Democratic governor Andrew Cuomo, who has said he would sign it.

The system works if allowed to. Nobody wants to give away money to the clingers. You can get a great education in public or private or Catholic high school. There is always plenty of money for the underprivileged to attend ANY school. In this area at at least. These are great times but some want to fret. There will not be free education soon but Liz Warren is advocating....
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So Americans are better educated than ever
The gap between the wealthy and middle class is greater than ever
The wealthy control Congress
There’s no issue
And if you think there is your a socialist
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It's difficult to have a conversation with you. You put words in peoples mouths. You go to extremes. You veer off in different tangents. Maybe, when you attempt to respond or converse, you are actually talking to yourself. Sort of having a conversation running through your brain that gets triggered by various words mentioned by those you presumably respond to but which somehow get transfigured into a different context than that which was proffered. A context that satisfies some impulse to be right, to defend some point of view--which might suddenly take on a different shade or different direction.

Jim,
It's not poverty that is the problem, it's the shrinking of opportunity for people.
Its because nearly all the benefits of economic growth have been captured by large corporations and their shareholders.
Controlling the flow of capital so that you can capture incrementally more is how you win and the middle class has no chance in that game.
If you do it long enough you control the banks, the means of production and distribution and the government. Forty years ago when I was in my twenties I could call the loan officer at the local bank and get a loan, today that same bank is part of a large corporation with little involvement in the community. That holds true for almost everything we buy today, from fishing equipment to groceries and clothes.
This happened in the Gilded Age and history is repeating, it does that.
Corporations buy up profitable small businesses, reduce management costs per unit and buy more small businesses.
Then they start on each other.
The number of publicly traded corporations has been reduced greatly in the past twenty years, roughly by half.
Corporations have been gobbling up their competition for the past twenty years. The easiest way to control the market is eliminate your competition and the easiest example is any of the FAANG who buy anyone who could compete.
The vast majority of shares are held by the wealthiest people in the US. After-tax corporate profits have doubled from about 5 percent of GDP in 1970 to about 10 percent, even as wages as a share of GDP have fallen by roughly 8 percent. And the wealthiest 1 percent’s share of pre-tax income has more than doubled, from 9 percent in 1973 to 21 percent today. Taken together, these two trends amount to a shift of more than $2 trillion a year from the middle class to corporations and the super-rich.

Didn't know I was having a conversation with you, but you certainly seem to think you have clairvoyant abilities.

this is insanity

It was a general statement based not on clairvoyance, but on observation of your deking, dodging, changing subject, and responding to words that were not spoken--as in your last response to Dangles.

Thank you for your diligent policing of the internet, it's obvious Dangles needs your assistance.
:thanks:

Scott,
The result is the same if corporations or government control the banks, the means of production and distribution and the government.

To some the glass is half empty.
Others act as the sky is falling.
Things look fine from my toilet. Retirement is looking better all the time. Kids have jobs with a great future. It has not been easy admittedly but this is a great time in America. Enjoy it.
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You're welcome. I try to help whenever I can.

"It's not poverty that is the problem, it's the shrinking of opportunity for people"

Agreed 100%.

"Its because nearly all the benefits of economic growth have been captured by large corporations and their shareholders"

Too much energy is dedicated to enriching large corporations and shareholders. I wouldn't say "nearly all". There are too many people who move up the economic ladder for me to buy that "nearly all" of the benefits go to big business. But I agree that too many politicians prioritize bib business over families, I agree 100%.

Yet I have a mortgage on my home at only 3.5%. Is the bank screwing me? I don't think so.

Not if, but when. Corporations can't control without government acceptance, approval, partnership, sanction, rubber stamp. Actually, on the other hand, government can control without corporate approval.

The symbiotic relationship between corporations and government, in which government is the ultimate regulator, and upon which corporations must acquiesce, is the progressive model (as is also the case in other forms of authoritarian regimes).

The Progressive model is government regulatory control of banks and business and societal as well as individual "rights." All, of course, under the rubric of what is best for society--what is the most realizable utopia--as in your "progressive capitalism."

I think the deck is stacked in favor of the powerful and connected to some extent. If I wanted to go to Harvard and be an executive VP at Goldman Sachs and have a summer home in Watch Hill, sure it helps if my family has connections, which we don't. But if I want to be upper middle class and still be home for dinner most nights and take my kids to Disney every few years, there are plenty of ways to do that. I think it's a little harder than it should be, but still within reach of most of us. You have to work hard, and it really helps to have good parents to set kids on the right path.

I've said this before, there is a family that owns the local Shell station and convenience store near my house, they came here from Liberia, literally with nothing. They now own that business, their kids are college graduates, one is in medical school. every town in the country has families with the same exact story, and many are refugees because they don't take anything for granted and are willing to work insanely hard to get what they want. If big business runs everything, how did they pull that off? The answer is love and hard work, but our grievance and entitled culture doesn't want to hear about such things.

How many owner operated gas/convenience stores have you seen in the past few years?
How many have been bought by corporations and now have hired help paid minimum wage or slightly above and a remote manager.
Is the gas or items less expensive at the corporate store?
Those anecdotes are getting fewer and fewer around here, there are a couple in this county where there were one or two in each town.

"How many owner operated gas/convenience stores have you seen in the past few years?"

I don't keep track. But many industries are being swallowed up by a small number of huge companies, you're right. This makes it harder to get ahead, but not impossibly so. There's fewer paths to independence, and smaller margin of error. And working for a large company is more demanding and less rewarding than it was in my father's time for sure.

ya think?

I thought leftists liked centralization?

what??? there has never been more diverse opportunity

Not in the Rust Belt. i guess i mean primarily manufacturing.
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funny the thread was started because of a biden statement that was positive hopeful but maybe unrealistic ... the New Green deal fall into the same category.. and without fail both were attacked wholesale from the Right


But the right ignores Trumps Messages shrugs them off as mere hyperbole..

even if his words and actions are clear

Foreign Interference And 'Opposition Research' Are Not The Same


unless your Trump

Trump disputed the idea that if a foreign government provided information on a political opponent, it would be considered interference in our election process.


"It's not an interference, they have information -- I think I'd take it," Trump said. "If I thought there was something wrong, I'd go maybe to the FBI ..

"The FBI director is wrong, because frankly it doesn't happen like that in life," Trump said. "Now maybe it will start happening, maybe today you'd think differently."

the law prohibits American political campaigns from taking "a contribution or donation of money or any other thing of value" from foreigners. The ban isn't limited to money, as Justice Department investigators wrote.


But once again Trump supporters could care less that their man is willing open to defy the Law or feel it doesn't apply to him or his administration...

BUT BUT Biden 'we're gonna cure cancer' if he's elected president

Still havent seen the word I or I am in that statement

but we have seen many Trumps statements 'Mexico will pay for the wall 'I Would Accept Information On My Opponent From Foreign Governments, "It's Called Oppo Research" or Tariffs are "paid for mostly by China, by the way, not by us."

and not a peep from the usual players here who conventely have nothing to say when it come to their side which they will insist they dont have a side :btu:

No more local hardware store...the list goes on. I am not sure how it gets back to Leave it to Beaver. Meanwhile the middle and even lower class enjoy creature comforts and even luxuries that used to be only for the rich. A lot of people don’t grasp the context here. Seriously,who even knows people who can’t afford phones or the internet?
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Look in the mirror and what do you see?

Now point your finger and see who that guy is pointing at.

Pretty simple but you don’t seem to get it.
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WDMSO, Biden very specifically politicized curing cancer, and he clearly did so for his own benefit. Is that true or false?

I asked Spence the same question, but he’s still hiding.

Hopeful is one thing. Exploiting the desperation of people who are dying, is something else.

Biden comes with the obnoxious and outlandish behavior that Trump delivers ( not quite to the same degree), with none of the productive policy ideas. He also promised the VP slot to Stacy Abrams, who called the offer racist. Maybe he should
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I'd gladly go back to keeping a dime in my wallet.