Sure,

(1) EXTORTING Ukraine: “No defense aid unless you smear Biden & clear Putin re 2016”

AND

(2) soliciting a BRIBE from Ukraine: “If you help me win 2020, I’ll help you defend your country against Russia.”

Lunch is served

🍔👍🏿
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biden didn’t extort Ukraine?
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He did,but two wrongs don’t make a right.
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now you sound exactly like that idiot schiff

No, extortion is a crime Jim.
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Well I'm not a lawyer, but I did hear Biden brag that he threatened to withhold monetary aid to Ukraine, unless they did what he wanted. I hear a lot of people saying Trump should be impeached for essentially doing the same thing. Of course, that's after years of them saying he should be impeached just because they didn't like him, so the threshold is somewhat nebulous and flexible, for what constitutes an impeachable offense. Apparently it all depends on whose ox is getting gored.

Not the same thing at all.
Asking a foreign country to investigate an American, when there is no domestic criminal investigation into him and no predicate is a non-starter.
We have domestic law enforcement avenues for that.
If Floridaman really wanted to root out corruption there are US government processes to do that.

State Department bureau—the Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement (INL)—focused on law enforcement efforts overseas, including investigating corruption. For 2020 the Trump administration proposed cutting the budget for this by 40%, what does that say about the concern with corruption?

Alert the Ukraine ambassador, and let him deal with it
Ambassadors can’t interfere in a corruption investigation or direct that one be opened, but they can pass information along to experts at the embassy—including INL experts and Department of Justice personnel.

Request cooperation (officially)
If there were an actual U.S. government investigation into alleged criminal activity by Americans in Ukraine, or foreigners suspected of violating U.S. laws, a request for cooperation could have been made through a formal process that’s run by DOJ’s Office of International Affairs. Once MLAT requests are vetted by the DOJ, they are transmitted to a foreign country’s “central authority”—in this case, Ukraine's Ministry of Justice. If granted in the foreign country, this arrangement could allow the DOJ to obtain documents, locate people, take testimony, request searches and seizures, freeze assets and more. If the United States were actually pursuing criminal investigations into corruption in Ukraine, U.S. officials would have made a request under our MLAT for cooperation.

So was Trump's goal to investigate corruption and as Lindsey Graham suggests he is either too incompetent or too stupid to do it correctly or was his goal to get dirt on Biden and as Putin and Orban suggested to him, prove that Ukraine, not Russia was responsible for interference in the 2016 election.
Either way he is unfit for office.

so if state department also wanted ukraine to investigate biden, then what trump did was he OK to you? have you taken a poll of the state department to get their opinion in this?

you’ll say anything to make the case.
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it's hot in pete's bunker

Let’s be clear the State Department and all these government career employees are record keepers and: if the State Department, Giuliani, Mulvaney, Perry, had information that could clear Trump - that was helpful to Trump - they would be banging on the Congressional hearing room door demanding to testify. They don’t. Their truthful testimony would (further) sink Trump.

you cant follow the bouncing ball to well can you :deadhorse:

Once again, you didn't respond to what I asked, not even close.

You said that what Biden did with quid pro quo in K=Ukraine wasn't extortion, because the State Department was on board. SO using your logic (your logic, not mine), if the State Department was OK with Trump asking Ukraine to investigate Biden, that would not be extortion? just seeing if that standard only applies to Biden.

I have news for you. Trump is going to be the nominee in 2020. The house will probably impeach, there's no way the senate convicts, not based on what we know now. Zero chance. There may even be some democrats who don't vote for conviction like the coal guy Munchin from WV.

I'm not saying Trump will win. I'm saying he's going to be the nominee.

Hey Einstein, read Pete's post, or have someone read it to you. Pete said that Bidens quid pro quo when he was VP wasn't extortion, because the state department was on board. So I asked if that standard also applied to Trump.

I'm sorry if that's going too fast for you, I don't know how to simplify it.

Not even remotely the same and I'm a bit perplexed how you can't see the difference. What Biden did was akin to a bank telling you they're not going to approve your mortgage until you get your credit score up.

I think you are incapable of critical thought

What you asked was
so if state department also wanted ukraine to investigate biden, then what trump did was he OK to you? have you taken a poll of the state department to get their opinion in this?

My answer was
Let’s be clear the State Department and all these government career employees are record keepers and: if the State Department, Giuliani, Mulvaney, Perry, had information that could clear Trump - that was helpful to Trump - they would be banging on the Congressional hearing room door demanding to testify. They don’t. Their truthful testimony would (further) sink Trump.

Maybe you think they would not come forth with evidence to clear Trump or that I need to actually take a poll.

Oh. Because firing a crooked prosecutor makes it more likely they could pay us back? We all know Biden and Obama were very frugal with national spending, and wanted to make sure any loans will be repaid back. Biden was just acting as a mortgage underwriter. Of course!

And Trump, as the executive branch, has no authority to inquire as to Americans engaged in corruption in other countries. Gotcha.

Pete, you said Bidens quid pro quo was OK because he had the state departments permission. I asked if Trump was held to the same standard.

and i said

if the State Department, Giuliani, Mulvaney, Perry, had information that could clear Trump - that was helpful to Trump - they would be banging on the Congressional hearing room door demanding to testify.

Hear any banging????????????

Anyone other than Trumplicans saying it is ok

You're assuming he has been proven to be guilty. If that were so, using your flawed process of deduction, the inquiry would be over.

State dept quid pro quo goes like this happens all the Time at the direction of the secretary of state (its called policy)

Country A if you want US assistance you need to do A) improve human rights B) follow the rule of law C) allow inspectors in then we'll give you assistance


Trumps quid pro quo goes like this tells his personal lawyer to tell country A (ukraine) if you want the assistance that congress has already approved for you .. you need to
A) investegate the bidens (His political rival) B) announce it publicly your investigating them for corruption (with no evidence provided or required ) then we'll give you the assistance congress already approved ...

if you can not fundamentally see a difference ..your in the Trump Cult :kewl:

The merry-go-round continues, why anyone spends so much energy in a debate with one side who can’t or won’t see the difference is just fruitless. You can post evidence, quotes from the depositions, video from White House staff and they will not budge, but have fun with it.
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Sounds just like arguing with a Democrat
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This statement is akin to being retarded. But perhaps you are simply misunderstood.
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This interpretation of what you envision as standard policy is far from accurate.
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What kind of douchebag demonstrates why you should not continue the discussion,but then cant help but continue the stupidity he just served as an example? Go play golf or play with Peg. But stop looking for attention with your incessant complaining. This is why snowflakes are generally viewed as big babies screaming “look at me”. Just stop stomping your feet long enough to realize what a bitch really is.
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Bad day at work😜SD, you seem angry, someone needs a hug. You of all people shouldn’t be using the discussion argument. Here is your typical discussion, best president of my lifetime, four more years, snowflakes, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen you have an in depth discussion.
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This is my work. I guess you just had a good day at being stupid.
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Please feel free to show where I am inaccurate
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So let's get this straight.

Trumplicans are arguing that all people willing to testify under oath are lying, and all people unwilling to testify under oath are telling the truth.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how #^&#^&#^&#^&ING STUPID Trumplicans are.
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President Donald Trump slammed Hillary Clinton staffers who requested immunity or invoked their Fifth Amendment rights in response to requests to testify about the former secretary of state's private email server.

"If you are not guilty of a crime, what do you need immunity for?" Trump said

Yet He directs his people to ingnore congressional subpoenas....

Lol
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Care to level up by making a point?
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You just made my point, but I really should not have to dumb it down for a grown man. Feel free to think when you are inclined to do so.
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Trump whined and screamed that the case against him and his foundation was partisan and the he would never settle because he did nothing wrong.

He settled AND he admitted liability.

With that in mind, look at the way Trump is behaving with the impeachment inquiry.
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