"You have a very cynical view of politicians if you think everything they do is to benefit themselves and not the country."

So if the Bidens were actually engaged in nepotism and corruption, you're saying it doesn't benefit the country to know that? It only benefits Trump? Seeking the truth isn't a noble goal?

Constantly moving the goalposts...constantly.

I never said presidents don't care about the good of the country. I'm saying that they also care a lot about getting re elected. You say that makes me cynical, I say denying that makes you naïve.

Funny You and other Trump fans heard the evidence and heard Trump ask Russia to hack Clinton and if China was listening to do the same and ask Ukraine to do him a favor against Biden on the perfect call.. but never ask 2016 17 or but late 18 when he saw a poll PS the aid wasn't held until guess when :btu:

AND YOU DON'T CARE

But but Carter Page

Asking for a friend : "How can any Republican's head end up on a pike if it's already stuck up Trump's ass?"
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it’s also interesting that democrats don’t care about the unethical
behavior revealed in the hacked emails, all that matters is who hacked.
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Clinton's server on which the 33,000 deleted emails were once located, was out of service and in the hands of the FBI at the time that Trump made his obviously sarcastic remark. So Russia could not have hacked them then. He was obviously not asking for Russia to hack Clinton, but making a sarcastic remark to point out Clinton's duplicitous destroying of those emails before she handed the server over to the FBI. And Trump threw in a sarcastic shot at the media as well (which had been all in for Clinton and constantly bashing Trump) by saying that the media would reward the Russians for finding the missing emails.

If Trump had been serious about asking Putin (Russia) for help, he would have done so through secret channels not on national TV for millions of voters, all the media, and the FBI and CIA and the Democrat Party and the rest of the "Swamp" to see and hear.

"What you’re pointing out is something they should focus on AFTER they hold him accountable for abuse of power, not instead!!!"
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All I'm saying if the aid was so vital, why have a 10 or 11 month process to deliver it? If it was approved in August of 2018, why not write the check in January of 2019 if the need was so vital to the troops in the field, and our own Nat'l Sec? Focusing on the weeks that Trump held it up rather than the total timeline makes it a red herring, crime or not.
(btw, I didn't vote for Trump...)

Thru a back channel perhaps?
A resident of Trump Tower?
Or maybe thru Lev or Igor to Firtash?
Interesting new Parnas tape tonight
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In other words, you got nothin'. So had to make a ridiculous stretch, and change the subject. Just can't let one of those ridiculous lies about Trump be exposed. It, like the Charlotte "good Nazis on both sides" lies that can be used to fatten up some skinny diatribe about Trump that suffers from the lack of a healthy dose of actual facts.

You can say that it’s less important than it seems to be, but can’t really call it a red herring.

Regardless of the length of the delay: one hour, one day, one year, it’s about why he did it.

Personal gain through a power only granted to him by the office he holds.

That’s abuse of power, and then he repeatedly stood in the way of the constitutional checks and balances afforded to congress to hold him accountable for it.

This is pretty black and white, regardless of how much the Biden’s did coke with the Ukrainians.
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the entire left has lost their marbles...it was fun seeing team trump bend schiff and his managers over their knee and spank them in front of the Senate and on national tv yesterday....

Those alternative facts are handy
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Here we go with. The emails.. another outrage the right couldn't support with any evidence , just like. Crowd strike

And if on cue what trump asked it was hyperbole,,, funny he could have ask ukraine , as you suggested go through secret channels for dirt on biden or even offical ones

But like russia China he thinks crimes in the open aren't crimes and clearly his supporters feel the same way

this unethical behavior,, plotting against the socialist. That Republicans love to call socialist yet hope he gets the nomination chime in how unfairly he was treated as if they care. His nomination they hope will help them keep the White House, please spare me ... PS it was the Russians who hacked a US political party it should matter but again not to Trump fans who claim America 1st but that only applies to Trump and his supporters, the rest hate America anyway


Funny outrage over Dems being unethical

But Trumps behavior Republicans cant even use the word unethical out of fear ,

The use of the word criminal in a sentence would get them banished


"don’t care about the unethical
behavior revealed in the hacked emails, all that matters is who hacked them"

Do you hear yourself ? this is Trumps and the Republicans entire defense . Is built on your statement

All that matters is who did the telling ..... Whistleblower

lost marbles cause mindless babble syndrome....

In response to your typical justification that Floridaman’s actions if “wrong” are jokes.

I’m sure it will be the new defense for criminal cases, “my client was joking”.
Maybe Alan Underwear will use it to claim his latest guilty clients innocence.
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You need to look up the definition of nepotism cuz you have no idea what it means. There has never been anyone who's posted anything indicating how they were corrupt but you continue to defame someone with no facts that is pathetic.
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For the tenth time, if the biden’s were actually engaged in corruption, Trump can’t ask for
an investigation, because it would benefit him? So the Biden’s can rob a bank, and Trump can’t ask for
an investigation because that might help him?

As to personally benefitting from the office? The Clintons are worth hundreds of millions, and the Obamas just bought a $15 million vacation home. All thanks to the office they held. But it’s only an issue when a republican benefits from his office. Gimme a break.
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Trump’s concern about ‘corruption’ in Ukraine is highly selective and remarkably convenient.
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Lets make it even more simple. Say Trump believes there’s evidence of corruption by any American in a foreign country. Does he enlist help from:

A) The FBI

or

B) Lev Parnas

Have fun.
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Hmm, let me think how to respond about whether the Clintons and Obama benefited from being President after they left office versus how Trump is benefiting personally while in office??? Can anyone help me?
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He has a justice department for that, and congress (which he held control of both houses for a stretch.) If this was about corruption, this was literally the worst way a president could go about getting it investigated. Bottom line is that it was illegal. You can’t argue that.

He got caught. Said there was no quid pro quo. Sondland SAT IN FRONT OF CONGRESS and said there was actually quid pro quo. They charged him with it. GAO confirmed it was illegal. Now we’re in the senate to decide what’s next.

Hey he most frustrating thing here is that he can be guilty of breaking the law and not removed from office. I wish people who don’t want him gone would just admit he broke the law. This drawn out argument backed by lies that he did nothing wrong is just hurting the institution.
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i completely agree.

What’s also selective, is the liberal concern for politicians benefitting personally from the decisions they make.
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he enlists help from that country. boy that was hard.
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ok. the personal benefit to trump, is that it helps him get re elected, right, You’re saying all politicians don’t do things because they hope it will help them get re elected? so a president in his first term, isn’t supposed to do anything, that will make people want to vote for him again? Do you hear how stupid that sounds?

Obama bragged during his 2012 re election that GM was alive and Bin Laden was dead. Obama
was using the actions he took while in office, to help benefit himself. Where were the calls for impeachment?

You’re saying it’s an impeachable offense for a potus to do anything that might help him get re elected. Wow. I mean, wow.

There’s also every reason to believe that Biden used his office, while he was in office, to benefit his son. You really have to have your head in the sand to deny that between the cushy job in the Ukraine and all the foreign money that flowed to his investment bank when daddy was vp, that daddy had nothing to do with it.


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The proper channel is the justice department not another country
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Trump's actions benefit him personally and only him.
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Wrong. Finding out the truth about what was going on in the Ukraine, benefits all
if us.

You literally just said, that getting to the truth about whether or not the Biden’s were corrupt in Ukraine, benefits no one except for Trump. There’s no benefit, none whatsoever, to learning the truth?

Have fun with that nonsense, Paul. When clinging to your agenda requires you to say that learning the truth about what a leading presidential candidate has done has zero benefit, isnt it time to maybe get a different agenda?

Just sayin’.

You don’t want to know what the Biden’s we’re doing there. That doesn’t mean there’s no benefit. Not even close. Biden is by far, by far, the best chance against Trump, so we need to protect him, and avoid the truth, at all costs.

At lest you admitted it explicitly, if unknowingly.
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who benefitted when the fbi deceived the FISA court to spy on the Trump campaign, Paul? how is that different than finding out the truth about what the Bidens were up to?

answer- it’s ok to investigate politicians you don’t happen to like.
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If Floridaman is concerned about adult children benefiting from their father’s name, why did he allow his sons to run his company during his presidency and give his unqualified children a place in administration?
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If Floridaman was concerned about corruption in Ukraine, why ask a private attorney to go investigate it and why focus Zelensky only on topics that benefited Floridaman politically?
Isn’t it the job of U.S. law enforcement to investigate potential wrongdoing by Americans?
How could you say it is corrupt to seek to oust a corrupt prosecutor, a move the U.S. government and the Western alliance supported? At the time Viktor Shokin was fired, he was not actually investigating Burisma, right?
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The correct answer is you need a predicate to open an investigation in this country.
Plenty of predicates existed to cause an investigation of the Floridaman campaign.

What’s the predicate for opening an investigation into Biden or his son?
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You conveniently forgot to include the foreign country with whom we have a treaty on mutual assistance in criminal investigations.

The DOJ is investigating it. And it is also "proper" to ask the foreign government to assist in the investigation.

The predicate for opening an investigation on Trump was based on false information which none of which was given to the public at the time. The public is not aware of all information which now exists on the Biden scandal.

There is testimony that he was.

I can't believe this is still being debated, like that process is ever going to change either sides mind on this board, it's not worth the time at this point, it will all be over one way or the other soon. So much evidence has come out since the house finished, I can't believe the right is even attempting to claim innocence at this point.

the more the evidence the tapes, photos ,written testimony trump supporters keep digging a deeper hole to hide in defending the defenseless .

the senate would never impeach him for any offense ..

But this defense of he did nothing wrong.. that won't mention trump's connection with giuliani on the floor of the senate is clear to the vast amount of americans outside his base ,

what he did wasn't right... and my not rise to removal of any POTUS not just Trump ... But will they Vote for him again ... that the Big question :kewl:

Trump tweet “Shifty Adam Schiff is a CORRUPT POLITICIAN, and probably a very sick man,” Trump tweeted Sunday morning. “He has not paid the price, yet, for what he has done to our Country!”


Republicans not outraged at the above threat from Trump the POTUS

yet their outraged with the suggestion Trump would have their heads on a Pike

Republican senators outraged after Schiff repeats 'head will be on a pike' report

Such cowards :rotf3:

this is fun, get this spence...

you’re saying it’s fishy that Trump asked Ukraine for help, instead of going to the FBI.

Yet you recently defended senate democrats for writing a letter to Ukraine, asking them to investigate Trump and Manafort. It was ok when democrats asked ukraine for an investigation instead of the fbi, but sinister when trump does it.
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So where was the outrage when Senate democrats asked Ukraine to investigate Trump and Manafort? That letter has been widely circulated in public, and not once did I hear anyone on the left criticize the senate democrats for asking another country for help, that they should have gone to the Justice Dept.