Senate Majority Whip John Thune claims the Senate shouldn’t hear from Bolton, arguing it could create an “endless cycle” when “facts are all out there.”

“I don’t think that anything that he’s going to say changes the fact..I think people kind of know what the fact pattern is.”

Fascinating to watch this unfold in real time: The national security adviser says the president did exactly what the impeachment accuses him of doing. And Republican leaders on Capitol Hill say we don’t even want to hear it.

1) Floridaman's defense is that no one who has testified heard him link military aid to investigations

2) Floridaman won't allow testimony from the very people who discussed this matter directly with him

3) Thus, not hearing from them is a coverup by definition.

Drip...drip.....drip

President Trump's former chief of staff John Kelly says he believes John Bolton and believes witnesses should be heard from in the impeachment proceedings.

His defense is going with Trump is a victim from the special counsel to the steel document and how wrong to remove him in an election year as if it has any relevance. Put yourself in his shoes.. they have yet once addressed what he actually did or acuused to do ,,, there calling it policy differences and going with Stranger danger .. and now Trump asking for a favor against the Bidens was a free speech moment ,, and because the investigation never happened and aid was provided , and the victims Ukraine had no issues or to afraid to say so its ok

And all the witness just didn't like Trumps policy :btu:

Dershowitz says charges against Trump aren’t impeachable. But most legal scholars disagree, including a law professor called by Republicans in the House investigation to argue against impeaching Trump.

Trump’s attorney general, William Barr, wrote in a June 2018 memo before he was nominated for the Cabinet post that Congress could impeach presidents who abused their power.

he goes beyond that.

Asked about the passages in Bolton’s book — which has yet to be released — that appear to reinforce the impeachment allegations, Kelly said Monday evening that “John’s an honest guy. He’s a man of integrity and great character, so we’ll see what happens"

Typical Trumplican, mocking somebody with a disability (grammar?) :hee:
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He also claimed that the Pentagon made a $35 trillion adjustment to their annual budget, so I'm not sure that what he lacks in grammar, he makes up for in arithmetic. But it helps to be weak at math to be a liberal, otherwise you'd know that socialism can't work in a nation of 300 million, especially when sharing a porous border with a third world nation.

Here's some math for Trumplicans, remember to ignore the facts when you listen to Floridaman. Just use his alternate ones.

At Floridaman's campaign launch speech in July 2015, he said that the country would cross the “point of no return” if government debt ever exceeded $24 trillion. Remember this number.

Floridaman said he would eliminate all government debt “over a period of eight years,” and that renegotiated trade deals with China and other nations would be the key to how he would get it done. That's stupid, there’s no reason to expect improved trade relations with China or any other country to lead directly to lower borrowing by the federal government.

Floridaman has greatly increased the government’s borrowing requirements. A tax cut in 2017, another large reduction in revenue as part of the budget agreement last year. He made successive deals on appropriations that substantially increased spending for both defense and non-defense accounts.

These actions have put the federal government in the worst fiscal position it has ever been in during a period of relatively strong economic growth, and no it is not the greatest, blah, blah......

The actual deficits for 2018 and 2019 exceeded CBO’s 2017 forecast by $675 billion, even as growth over those years exceeded what CBO assumed would occur. CBO’s current forecast (which will be updated shortly) shows the cumulative budget deficit over 2018 to 2021 exceeding the forecast from January 2017 by $1.2 trillion.

Floridaman’s record on fiscal and spending issues over the past three years speaks for itself. He and the officials who support him have not implemented a serious plan to trim government spending, reform programs, or make the government more efficient. The government today looks almost exactly like it did three years ago, only it is substantially more expensive. So much for the great businessman.

Here's that number I told you to remember, the government’s gross debt—the measure of cumulative borrowing that candidate Floridaman referenced when he announced his candidacy in 2015—currently exceeds $23 trillion and will be approaching $24 trillion as voters go to the polls later this year.

There's probably a tweet to cure that.

Pete, i immediately concede Trump gets an F on debt.

Now, please tell us why it was OK for obama to put kids in cages, but wrong for trump to do it.

If I said obama was bad for running up the debt but i have Trump a pass, Id be a hypocrite. I’ve said 100 times he’s failing on the debt.

You are the hypocrite, giving Obama a pass for caging kids but bashing Trump for putting kids in the same exact cages that obama used.

It was Nobel Peace Prize- worthy when Obama did it, and a crime against humanity when Trump does it.

No one cared when Obama
did it, and for damn sure no one said “it’s ok at these numbers, but President Obama if you increase the number of
kids you put in cages, then i will oppose you.”

Not one single human being said that. You’re saying it now to justify the naked hypocrisy.

Do you ever get tired of getting bitch slapped around?
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You're in the wrong thread, so tell me did you work hard to be this much of a moron, or are you the product of a combination of enthusiastic inbreeding and a mother who spent her pregnancy huffing paint thinner while servicing her other clients in a truckstop bathroom?

i know i’m on a different thread, but you keep
ignoring the other one, so uncovering more bases.

When i ask you to explain the inconsistency in your view of putting kids in cages, and all you can do is call me a moron, i’ve won.

you just can’t ever admit that a liberal was wrong or a conservative was right. You’re physically incapable of it. And i’m the moron.

So tell us, what’s the maximum number of times you can put kids in cages, before you forfeit your Noble Peace Prize and stand trial
at Nuremberg, anyway?
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You're like a dog with a pull toy, go read the other threads..........

I'm not going to spend the time to put up the documents on the difference between the previous admins and this one.

He'll be gone soon, he's backed up to the sea right now.

"If you lie to the court, there are penalties for that."

Former federal prosecutor Andrew Weissmann explains the possible downsides for the White House if it pursues the claim of executive privilege

i read the other threads. Nowhere did you state what the maximum number of allowable cagings is, before one becomes a
monster.

i’ll just assume
that you don’t have an answer, but you know it’s one more than obama did.
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Pete is acting trapped. I have to admit that it makes me smile.
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It’s choosing to take ALL the children from the parents, every single one that’s the problem.
You’ve said before that they deserve it. Shouldn’t have brought their children.
Go chase your tail........
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again, it’s ok to take some, or
most, but not all?

Makes all kinds of sense.

I’m chasing nothing. I’m leading you around by the nose.
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There was no crime. Ukraine received the money . . . before the due date . . . there was no victim . . . there was no quo. Does Bolton's, excerpt dispute that?

The bank robber leaves the bank without money, no crime he can go free, just because you repeat it like the lame arguments his defense put forward, doesn’t make what he did not an impeachable offense.

Your silly analogy notwithstanding, Trump did not commit a crime. He did not, as you would have it, bribe anybody. Zelensky denies any attempt to bribe him. There was no victim. Ukraine got the money on time (and more substantial military aid than the previous administration gave Ukraine). That is not a lame argument. it is a fact.

but it’s a fact that doesn’t help liberals. and they can’t process such facts.

Trump is, literally, their North Star. Everything they see and hear is processed through an algorithm that asks the question “how does this make Trump look bad?”. It’s their entire being. WDMSO literally said, there are no facts which make democrats look bad or make republicans look good. Literally, not one single fact. It’s not easy to talk with these people.
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Republican Senator states In An interview he want to read Boltons book transcript

So he can determine if Bolton would be a relevance witness


What an Amazing position to hold

I know crazy to think you would want to hear from a first hand witness, the VERY thing the right has been bitching about since this all started, be careful what you wish for Moscow Mitch.

The money was released once they got caught and they knew the scam was up.

so do you concede that the house voted to impeach, without having a single first hand witness to the alleged crimes?
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That is pure speculation.

Again you cant read. (What Truths hurt Democrats , what truths benefit Trump haven't heard any . Was an response to your statement . here it is , Obviously, you’re only interested in the truth that helps democrats. ) But you read it as a statement of evidence that you twist in your head to have a secret meaning . All Outside the topic of the impeachment and Bolton
You do this a lot bring things from a non related threads and try to make them apply

You dwell in the conservative world of conspiracy and innuendo

So many speculations in this case or coincidences I agree :1poke:

No, any reasonable person would recognize that when the Trump admin. saw other people now knew about the holdup and they then unfroze the $ w/in a day or 2 it was bc they got caught. I don't believe they ever gave any explanation for releasing the $.

Easy way to cure what you call "speculation"

Release the documents, everything in government has a paper trail.

Let the witnesses testify, lots of career staff had their hands on this.

Obstruction works, until the light reaches the evidence.

You may like not like John Bolton’s principles, but he’s very principled. He’s also smart. And he just loves a good fight. He's not planning to lose.

If it requires all of this, then impeachment should not happen without it. You don't impeach to get evidence. You impeach because you have it. And it should not happen because of speculation.

Plenty of evidence, boy the streets would be full of criminals and murders if they all needed to be caught with the bloody knife in the victims house.
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There isn't enough room in our prisons to house all the people that some others speculated committed a crime.

Congressional oversight is the duty of our elected representatives.
They requested the documents.
Floridaman refused to provide any.
Zero

But plenty will come out, most of it has been requested under FOIA and some has already been delivered.
It will all reach the light, a great deal of it prior to election day.

Merry Impeachmas!
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OK. And if that all discovers a real reason for impeachment, then that would be the proper time for it.

The holdup was not a secret that needed to be "caught." It was not illegal. Whether you like it or not, or if you believe your version of a "reasonable" person would think it was a crime, that is irrelevant. Whether or not you or your "reasonable" person didn't think there was any reason to delay the money, that is irrelevant. Trump had concerns about corruption. It his state of mind, not yours nor your "reasonable" person's state of mind that matters.

Imposing your speculative narrative on Trumps action is not a valid reason to impeach him.

Rumor has it, that Friday after the vote if it does not call for witnesses, John Bolton will release what would have been his opening statement.

Because revenge is a dish best served cold.

And Bolton is very politically astute.

We will see, at the very least it would make great campaign material against Floridaman and the Trumplicans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej_bdLOCF_8

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