Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1191166)

So if you jump on a car that's already doing 50mph and you hit 90 mph. How to you take credit for getting the car to do 90. ,,, I can see taking credit for the extra 40.

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1191155)

President Donald Trump has appeared to endorse protests against stringent lockdown measures in several states.

In a series of tweets, he said: "LIBERATE MINNESOTA", "LIBERATE MICHIGAN" and then "LIBERATE VIRGINIA".

again lets start hearing the excuses......of what americans he cares about

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1191153)

I don't know what the IC told him. I don't know what the IC of the rest of the world told their governments.
We have the most comprehensive and complete IC community in the world, the WHO has none. We also failed to appoint our representative to the WHO and now Trump* wants to blame them for failing to tell us what they did tell us when they knew and when they knew even though they did.

China loosed this pandemic on the rest of the world and there is no way that the CCP didn't know that is exactly what they were doing.
That is conjecture on your part, just because Pompeo and Trump are pushing that theory doesn't make it true.

You can go on and on with your notion that it's Trump's fault that it was not stopped at our doorstep, or not stopped soon enough, and posting your selected timelines, but that is all, as usual, a compilation of factoids meant to inspire your preferred conjecture, opinion and accusation.

All you need to do is look at Trump*s public statements and the warnings put forth both within and from outside his administration and you can see what he failed to do.

National Security is his F'n Job and if you want to claim it is not then just what rationale do you use for his declaration of an emergency to build a wall.

What is Trump*s fault is delaying action, downplaying the danger, and not following the procedure that previous presidents both R and D for multiple administrations had set up to make sure that the responsibilities in case of a pandemic had already been assigned and we would have the best chance to control it.
"Nobody knew" is Bull.... all the records and documents exist.

I don't know if it's also supposed to be Trump's fault that so much of the rest of the world was also not able to do what you think Trump was supposed to do, or if they all were also in your eyes just as negligent.

Pretty obvious if you look at transaction records that governments of developed governments throughout the world were buying up PPE starting in January. What was the Trump* maladministration doing? Rallies and Golf

I don't have confidence that Trump can convince the CCP to play fair trade with us. I think he is right to try much of what he is doing in that respect. But I doubt China will voluntarily give up its one way advantage and become a fair trading partner with the rest of the world. If that were to happen, it would be the beginning of the end of the CCP. And I don't think the party members are willing to commit that suicide--possibly literally as well as figuratively. Same goes for North Korea.

But if there is any hope of such a change, it won't be enhanced by berating China for its malfeasance re this virus. Trump is trapping himself on that tightwire he has to walk while simultaneously negotiating and blaming. I don't expect you to accede to nor understand that.

But, if anything is effective in changing our economic relation with China, the tariffs would be so. It is about the only way, other than outright war, to reverse what China economically has done to the U.S.

And if anything is effective in stopping China from doing what it has done with this virus, it would be the world "community" putting the blame for the spread of it on the country that most effectively could have stopped it at its doorstep.

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191172)

We have the most comprehensive and complete IC community in the world, the WHO has none. We also failed to appoint our representative to the WHO and now Trump* wants to blame them for failing to tell us what they did tell us when they knew and when they knew even though they did.

What did IC tell Trump? Has there been any of those famous selective leaks that we should know about? Are you denying that WHO did not downplay the virus early on and that China had no influence on that downplaying?

(China loosed this pandemic on the rest of the world and there is no way that the CCP didn't know that is exactly what they were doing.)
That is conjecture on your part, just because Pompeo and Trump are pushing that theory doesn't make it true.

Are you saying that the CCP did not immediately on confirming the danger of the virus shut down travel within China from or to Wuhon? And are you denying that, at the same time, it allowed travel from out of Wuhon to the rest of the world?

All you need to do is look at Trump*s public statements and the warnings put forth both within and from outside his administration and you can see what he failed to do.

Fauci said that Trump agreed to the medical team's requests every time they asked.

What is Trump*s fault is delaying action, downplaying the danger,

He parroted the downplaying that was mouthed by his medical expert team, as well as the media and Democrat pols at the time.

and not following the procedure that previous presidents both R and D for multiple administrations had set up to make sure that the responsibilities in case of a pandemic had already been assigned and we would have the best chance to control it.

What procedures did he not follow?

Pretty obvious if you look at transaction records that governments of developed governments throughout the world were buying up PPE starting in January. What was the Trump* maladministration doing? Rallies and Golf

Really"? Just rallies and golf?

What Trump* has done for foreign relations is at a minimum hurt our alliances, let China, Russia and other totalitarian governments gain ground with countries around the world and failed to control anything that he claims to have wanted to.
There are reasons our enemies and allies laugh at him and call him out as the whining baby that he is.
You really think that the countries who have had their administrations bullied and denigrated by Trump and received help from China are going to join him in attacking China?
He may have recognized that there are things that should change in our relationship with the rest of the world but is clueless on how to accomplish that within the framework of the Constitution. If he had put together a competent team he may have had a chance, but all he has ever allowed is people who praise him, take blame for his failures or leave.
His administration is comprised of the largest compilation of incompetent buttkissers ever assembled in the WH.
We are not in a Reality TV series.

Quite a rant. Up to your usual standards.

In the past month Trump has gone from "anyone who wants a test can have one" to "The States have to step up their TESTING!"
What a Leader, perhaps the Governors should also just pick up their toys and say it's the Mayor's problem, I'm not going to play anymore.
He's done his typical bankruptcy game, that he has done many times before but this time instead of creditors and contractors he has left the American people holding the bag for his failure as a leader.
Now he has a cute Powerpoint by Jared with no defined plan on how the economy is going to come back to life. No testing, it's not his problem. No tracking or control, it's not his problem. Good luck Governors, I'm done.
He'll go back to building his wall for $5000+ a linear foot because those Central Americans will bankrupt us.

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1191174)

Clearly the greatest president of our lifetime
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1191168)

WDMSO, if Trump said "the sky is blue", you would say "the hell it is!" That's how deranged you are.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...umps-economy-/

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1191167)

He didn't just jump on the Obama bandwagon, he did some very bold, very different things. Cutting the corporate tax rate to 21% had no impact on growth, that's what you're saying? The income tax cuts that 60% of Americans received, that didn't stimulate anything?

Again, Obama and Trump each helped the economy, but took very different approaches. You can't bring yourself to say it. Maybe stick to your day job, economics isn't your cup of tea.

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1191184)

Wow a rich black guy is your metric of Trumps genius

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1191169)

Isn’t this illegal?
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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1191173)

More of the same.

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1191186)

Wow if Trump made a comment like that it would be considered racist.

Originally Posted by hq2 (Post 1191202)

Response to Pete. F.

The GOP and Trump voters were fools. They elected an unqualified buffoon to be their leader. But what they’re finding out now is that being fools has consequences.
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1191194)

Of course because he would have attached it to not getting convicted of a crime or him being black was his only reason for his success!

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191190)

What procedures did he not follow
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...ementation.pdf

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1191211)

But he did follow those procedures as outlined in chapter 3 Federal Government response. Too late And the "communities" response guidelines in the plan had not been fully followed by the state and local communities which were caught short handed and unprepared. His administration failed to take the leadership role, if the battle was against a foreign army would you expect the states to have the information and take the lead? Trump actually used federal resources to make up for that. And the previous administration had not replenished the federal stockpile so Trump had to do that as well as provide to the communities that which they didn't. He has been in office for three years, and his party controlled Congress for the first two of those years. Perhaps they could have funded the restocking that they blocked under the previous administration. And the federal regulatory agencies such as the CDC were slow to create a testing regime which it decided to create anew rather than use the existing WHO model, and it flubbed that a few times before getting it partially right (still not 100% verifiable) and accepting contributions from others--all costing that valuable preliminary time that would have saved more lives.

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1191205)

I look back on the days when we would get boarded by Iranian soldiers in the gulf and just fall to our knees and clasp our hands over our heads looking for mercy. Yup, those were the good ole days. The glory days. We have to bring that back.
Then, we can give them money to make them like us. You know, like they used to.
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1191216)

You mean that time when we accidentally strayed into Iranian territory, the Sec State made a phone call and our sailors were released with all their equipment...you mean that time?
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191214)

(But he did follow those procedures as outlined in chapter 3 Federal Government response.)

Too late

So now you go from him not following procedures to he followed them too late. So the fact is he did, your opinion is too late.

The consensus early on is that the risk in the US was low and that Trump's travel ban on China was excessive and racist. In late February, Pelosi and the Dems, various media, were saying it was safe to continue as normal and made fun of Trump trying to scare us.

(And the "communities" response guidelines in the plan had not been fully followed by the state and local communities which were caught short handed and unprepared.)

His administration failed to take the leadership role, if the battle was against a foreign army would you expect the states to have the information and take the lead?

But the established procedure you said he didn't follow, or he followed too late, clearly stated that the state and local communities were responsible to keep adequate supplies and to be prepared through practice and readiness procedures to quickly respond to a pandemic.

(Trump actually used federal resources to make up for that. And the previous administration had not replenished the federal stockpile so Trump had to do that as well as provide to the communities that which they themselves, as required by the established "plan," had not.)


He has been in office for three years, and his party controlled Congress for the first two of those years. Perhaps they could have funded the restocking that they blocked under the previous administration.

"Perhaps" they were not aware of the shortage. It was the duty of the CDC and FDA to always remain stocked. Shortages had to be reported to the administration, otherwise it would be unaware of the situation.

The media has reported that regulatory agencies informed the Obama administration of the need to re-supply. It didn't in the seven years that it knew of the shortage.

I don't know if the Trump administration was made aware. And I would think that the anti-Trump media cartel would have pointed out that Trump denied a request. Maybe they have. I am not aware of it. And even if Trump did deny a request, "perhaps" he did it for the same reason Obama did. Or "perhaps" he may have thought it wasn't that important if Obama didn't either.

And Trump did, when the shortage was discovered, order it to be corrected and he did so even beyond the federal shortage but aided in filling the State's shortage as well.

As for him being too slow to get testing started, our highly touted
(federal regulatory agencies such as the CDC were slow to create a testing regime which it decided to create anew rather than use the existing WHO model, and it flubbed that a few times before getting it partially right (still not 100% verifiable) and accepting contributions from other sources--all costing that valuable preliminary time that would have saved more lives.) https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/co...cid=spartandhp

His JOB is to administer the federal government and the various parts thereof.
They do need to be led or do you claim that the office is unimportant, ceremonial and titular only? Like the Queen or King of the UK?

He is doing a good job of leading, your opinion notwithstanding.

He tweeted yesterday about Obama/Biden, how does anyone rationalize that statement with his current claim that this is the Governors fault?

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Biden/Obama were a disaster in handling the H1N1 Swine Flu. Polling at the time showed disastrous approval numbers. 17,000 people died unnecessarily and through incompetence!

Trump will have really big numbers, much bigger than anyone else and he will figure out a way to brag, cast aspersions and blame.

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1191222)

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191236)

Every thing you claim are excuses for this administration's inaction.
The administration controls the working parts of the government.
The Democrats and Republicans in the legislature can conduct oversight but this administration has consistently blocked that function of Congress.
There are no valid excuses for the inaction of this administration.
Gaslight all you want, bucko
Meanwhile Americans die, Trump* claims he is not responsible.
The blame he casts in all directions
See ya, barking carnival clown
Go liberate some states, kill your supporters
Sad
Darwin is on Biden's side

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1191238)

You're scary.

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1191238)

You're scary.

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1191238)

You're scary.

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191240)

Now let's look at deaths
Reported US coronavirus deaths:

Feb. 18: 0 deaths
Mar. 18: 149 deaths
Apr. 18: 38,664 deaths

How many deaths will Trump* claim accolades for next week?

GFY

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191243)

Just keep defending the incompetent Trump and watching Americans Die
He's not responsible, just plain garbage
I've said since the minute he came down the escalator that he is a con man.
I've seen nothing to prove me wrong.
GFY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmieUrXwKCc

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1191205)

I look back on the days when we would get boarded by Iranian soldiers in the gulf and just fall to our knees and clasp our hands over our heads looking for mercy. Yup, those were the good ole days. The glory days. We have to bring that back.
Then, we can give them money to make them like us. You know, like they used to.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1191251)

Hey, you're forgetting Operation Fast and Furious. where the Justice Department gave machine guns to Mexican drug cartels, making it easier for them to kill Amwricans. And filling a plane with cash in the middle of the night and giving it to our best buddies, Iran. That's quality policy right there!