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Sea Dangles 04-23-2020 09:01 PM

Don’t be afraid
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detbuch 04-24-2020 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191596)
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There is a daily Trump* Rally at the WH.
Everyone is required to praise Dear Leader, you would think you are in one of the countries with a leader he admires, like Putin, Kim, Erdogan, Xi, Orban, etc.

Nonsensical narrative.

Actually the nonsense occurs daily at the WH "briefing"

So you imitate it. I've said many times that you're like Trump.

As I have said before Trump* praises himself more than he deserves, I feel no need to add to his self aggrandizement.

He tries to balance what he considers the bigoted political characterization of him spewed out daily by the left.

He and his ship of fools are well on the way to sinking this country.

This country was rising not sinking until the virus hit. Of course, like the Russia hoax, phony impeachment, and constant barrage of fake news, the virus presented yet another chance to bring Trump down. Never let a crisis go to waste. So far, the "ship of fools" has gotten it right re the hoax and impeachment, and you got it wrong. You have been the fool.

Trump* used every tool possible to give life support to the oldest bull market in history. The trigger for it's collapse was a virus but the collapse was inevitable. Meanwhile he increased the deficit, just like all his recent Republican predecessors. The only deficit hawks in this country seem to be Democrats.

The country was rising, not sinking. That's why you guys kept saying that it was a continuation of the Obama economy. And yes, you were wrong about the Russia hoax and the fake iimpeachment, and who you referred to as "his ship of fools" got those things right. So, indeed, you were the fool.

This is the first global crisis in more than a century where no one is even looking to the United States for leadership. And it's not just the fact that Trump* is President, it's the fact that we elected him President in the first place.

I don't know who "no one" is looking to for leadership. I don't even know who "no one" is. I also don't know why the United States should be the leader of "no one" or everyone, or of the world, in this crisis. I don't think we should be concerned with jingoistic notions of being "the leader." And making Trump be the symbol who represents the leading country and we the puppets who voted for him is a Maoistic cult of personality.

The whole notion is essentially authoritarian--which I thought you oppose.


The USA has been the world leader with a plan since the second world war. It has never been about who our leader was, it was that we were consistently one administration after another, willing and able to lead, point out injustice, work against autocratic regimes and promote democracy. Apparently none of that makes any sense in your view of our place in the world.

We were the most powerful. The power enabled us to do things--for good and for ill. We did a lot of good and we did quite a bit of damage as well. You've pointed out a lot of our negatives. But there was also a latent humility in the traditional American character. Beating ones chest as a demonstration of leadership used to be frowned on (though it has become the thing to do in current popular culture, especially sports). Leading by example used to be the desired model.

The idea that people should look up to us as THE LEADER is arrogant. Being the best we can be is more of an American trait than the imperial pride that infused the British culture which we fought to free ourselves from. If you want to follow us, just be the best you can be--whatever that is.

Fighting wars and promoting democracy was about doing what best suited our interest, not boastful wielding of power to create an image of THE LEADER.

In some respect though, you are right. WWII was a dividing point in the changing of American culture from traditional individual pride to group and global think--the Progressive idea of the one world--the United Nations model as the starting point of a world order. And being the most powerful, we naturally took on the mantle of world leadership. I suppose, that is the America you hanker for. And Trump, being an America first nationalist, if he maintains power and influences the direction of this country, is the very threat to the America you desire--America the leader of the unified world order.

I prefer the entrepreneurial, individualistic America as the model which can evolve into one world as well, but one in which others copy us rather than follow us. And become a world of individual differences who cherish the freedom to be the best they can be in their own way, and who cooperate as equals in creating and inventing and living well.

Being the top dog model is a prescription for Progressive, socialistic, centralized top down world government which molds us into cookie cutter citizens that are easy to govern.

We have great works of fiction which don't paint a pretty picture of such a world.


All that stuff you claim is not mentioned is covered, just how did you find out about it? Somebody whisper in your ear? Or do you think the news lead should be: "The Great and Magnificent President of the United States, smartest man in the world has once again demonstrated his brilliance, blah, blah, blah"

You don't have to counter with extremism, exaggerated characterization. Stay calm.

Nothing extreme about that, though what you claim is the typical Trumplican argument: if you object you are an extremist!

No, not at all. You countered with an extreme characterization--""The Great and Magnificent President of the United States, smartest man in the world has once again demonstrated his brilliance, blah, blah, blah"

The press in this country has never functioned as the propaganda arm of the government until Fox.

More extremism, exaggeration, mischaracterization. And, anyway, The Press has always had a bias.

There has never been a symbiotic relationship between the press and the administration like Fox and Trump.

Fox is far less "symbiotic" with Trump than CNN, NBC, CBS, NY Times, WaPost are with the Dems.

Prior to 911 the border was much more porous. Mexicans and Central Americans came and went with the seasons. We gained their low cost labor, they gained our dollars and went home every year to see their families and had better lives. Pretty much a mutually beneficial relationship. Unless you did not like cheap produce.
For the most part they came to parts of the USA that used to be Mexican.
In the recent past we have #^&#^&#^&#^&ed around in Central American Governments and pretty much screwed them up.
Then we walked away and only paid attention if they looked like they might be more socialist than we thought they ought to, quick send the CIA.
Now we have a problem on our southern border that will not go away without some hard diplomatic and development work.


But, you said that "The USA has been the world leader with a plan since the second world war. It has never been about who our leader was, it was that we were consistently one administration after another, willing and able to lead, point out injustice, work against autocratic regimes and promote democracy."

This administration doesn't seem to have any interest until China or Russia pops up in that area and all of the sudden we remember the Monroe Doctrine.
A lot of work needs to happen there on a multitude of fronts to reduce problems there and here, spanning issues from poverty to addiction.
I doubt this clueless crowd of dilettantes is capable of putting together a coherent policy for anything, never mind the issues in Central America

Right, right . . . we are THE LEADER. We have to solve all these problems the rest of the world is having.

Hmmm . . . maybe if they could just be the best they can be . . .

Pete F. 04-24-2020 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1191602)
Right, right . . . we are THE LEADER. We have to solve all these problems the rest of the world is having.

Hmmm . . . maybe if they could just be the best they can be . . .

Much like Trump* you fail to grasp the concept of leadership.
Leaders don’t do it for you, they and the organizations they lead show the way and help others succeed.

Have you watched Trump*s daily Rally?
And you believe he’s sane and competent?
If so, I have some Lysol you can use.
I’m assuming you realize I’m being facetious about the disinfectant.

On the bright side, it’s pretty much impossible to buy Lysol these days anyways.

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Sea Dangles 04-24-2020 08:01 AM

Try Glade
Studies show its almost the same as Lysol
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scottw 04-24-2020 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1191621)

Try Glade
Studies show its almost the same as Lysol

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would you snort that or inject it?.....asking for a friend

detbuch 04-24-2020 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191609)
Much like Trump* you fail to grasp the concept of leadership.
Leaders don’t do it for you, they and the organizations they lead show the way and help others succeed.

Perhaps you fail to grasp the concept of sarcasm. I (thought it was obvious) do not believe we have to solve the problems of the rest of the world.

And, perhaps, you don't grasp that there are different styles of leadership, and that Trump has his style, as in: "The democratic leadership style (also called the participative style) is a combination of the autocratic and laissez-faire types of leaders. A democratic leader is someone who asks for input and considers feedback from their team before making a decision." Some people think Trump's style is strictly autocratic, but that is demonstrably not true.

And, of course, there are different goals that leaders wish to achieve. You seem to want the US to lead other countries in how to solve their problems. And that, somehow, we have been doing that as a country since WWII.

Other than providing military muscle and financial backing and just SETTING AN EXAMPLE, the other countries have had to do it their way. We helped make that possible for some with the aforesaid military and financial aid. But their success, or failure (some did not succeed, and some still depend on us) rested on their own leadership, not ours.


Have you watched Trump*s daily Rally?
And you believe he’s sane and competent?

You're not grasping the obvious. Trump is supremely competent at rallying a crowd, attracting huge crowds, persuading crowds. And he doesn't do that by dint of insanity. His speech and method is calculated and effective. He knows his audience. He knows the mythic heartbeat of middle America, and plays it extremely well. Many fear that as being an expression of all the phobes and isms they believe are dangerous and will bring us down. I disagree with them. You agree with them. But there is no doubt in anyone who is rational that he is very competent. The sanity bit is an idiotic red herring.

If so, I have some Lysol you can use.
I’m assuming you realize I’m being facetious about the disinfectant.

On the bright side, it’s pretty much impossible to buy Lysol these days anyways.

Thanks.

Pete F. 04-24-2020 11:02 AM

You'll be all set, just keep believing

"It's the Republican National Convention! Brought to you by Clorox. We make everyday life better, everyday. And we also cure COVID-19 if you inject it right into your veins. Also dissolves bone spurs."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57zJr82dhQ

detbuch 04-24-2020 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191657)
You'll be all set, just keep believing

"It's the Republican National Convention! Brought to you by Clorox. We make everyday life better, everyday. And we also cure COVID-19 if you inject it right into your veins. Also dissolves bone spurs."

I suppose I should just appreciate your humor rather than pointing out how imbecilic it is.

Pete F. 04-24-2020 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1191660)
I suppose I should just appreciate your humor rather than pointing out how imbecilic it is.

Speaking of imbecilic, pointing to his head, Trump* went on: "I'm not a doctor. But I'm, like, a person that has a good you-know-what."

detbuch 04-24-2020 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191663)
Speaking of imbecilic, pointing to his head, Trump* went on: "I'm not a doctor. But I'm, like, a person that has a good you-know-what."

I saw that. Kinda funny.

Sea Dangles 04-24-2020 11:39 AM

Are you not entertained?
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Pete F. 04-24-2020 11:49 AM

I think most people are hoping to be informed, rather than entertained.
The pressers are getting closer to the Three Stooges all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPd2uwfNiL0

Sea Dangles 04-24-2020 01:11 PM

Did you know Curly was a dog lover?
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detbuch 04-25-2020 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191657)
You'll be all set, just keep believing

"It's the Republican National Convention! Brought to you by Clorox. We make everyday life better, everyday. And we also cure COVID-19 if you inject it right into your veins. Also dissolves bone spurs."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57zJr82dhQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA1hBTpXvb4

Got Stripers 04-26-2020 06:55 AM

I’m entertained by the White House I cant believe he said it reality TV show. I really am having a hard time picking my favorite episode. Rake the forest was ok, water bomb the 800 year old cathedral was of course classic and who could forget the nuke a hurricane or the sharpie redraw episode. This new show inject yourself with disinfectants might go down as a favorite. Every time I think I’ve heard it all I just need to tune into the White House I can’t believe he said it show, if you haven’t seen it and need a laugh, I highly recommend it.

scottw 04-26-2020 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1191805)

This new show inject yourself with disinfectants might go down as a favorite.

nobody said this which is why your stupidity eclipses even trump's

Pete F. 04-26-2020 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1191801)

That's very nice, as Dr Birx said "when she came on in March", but you still missed the same month as the administration that Trump* leads.

The fish rots from the head.

As the virus spread from China across the United States between January and early March, large-scale testing of people who might have been infected did not happen. Because of technical flaws, regulatory hurdles, business-as-usual bureaucracies and lack of leadership at multiple levels.

The result was a lost month, when the world’s richest country with the highly trained scientists and infectious disease specialists, missed its best chance of containing the virus’s spread.

In that month Trump* claimed

February 7th
He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days. Nothing is easy, but he will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone. Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!

February 10th
Well, I think China is very, you know, professionally run, in the sense that they have everything under control. I really believe they are going to have it under control fairly soon.

February 14th
I spoke with President Xi of China, and he’s working very hard on this. It’s a tremendous problem. But they’re very capable and they’ll—they’ll get to it. There’s a theory that, in April, when it gets warm—historically, that has been able to kill the virus. So we don’t know yet; we’re not sure yet. But that’s around the corner, so that’ll be a great thing in China and other places.

February 18th
I think President Xi is working very hard. As you know, I spoke with him recently. He’s working really hard. It’s a tough problem. I think he’s going to do—look, I’ve seen them build hospitals in a short period of time. I really believe he wants to get that done, and he wants to get it done fast. Yes, I think he’s doing it very professionally. We’re also working with him and helping him, as of the last few days, as you know.

February 23rd
No, I think President Xi is working very, very hard. I spoke to him. He’s working very hard. I think he’s doing a very good job. It’s a big problem. But President Xi loves his country. He’s working very hard to solve the problem and he will solve the problem. Okay?

February 25th
I spoke with President Xi. We had a great talk. He’s working very hard, I have to say. He’s working very, very hard. And if you can count on the reports coming out of China, that spread has gone down quite a bit. The infection seems to have gone down over the last two days. As opposed to getting larger, it’s actually gotten smaller. In one instance where we think we can be—it’s somewhat reliable, it seems to have gotten quite a bit smaller.

March 3rd
Well, we’re looking at different areas, and we’ll make that decision with these professionals. We made an early decision based on a little bit of luck, I suspect, but that was the original decision on China itself. And China, in all fairness to them, they never blamed us. It was, you know, a tough decision for them, but they fully understood. They were very reasonable about it.

March 4th
We’re dealing with China. President Xi, who I speak with, President Xi is working very, very hard in China. They have a big problem. But their numbers have gotten much better with respect to the coronavirus, very much better.

March 6th
And I’ve heard the numbers are getting much better in China, but I hear the numbers are getting much better in Italy, et cetera, et cetera. But what I hear—so we have 240 cases, 11 deaths. Everything is too much and it’s true. I don’t want 11 deaths. I don’t want any deaths, right? But over the last long period of time, when people have the flu, you have an average of 36,000 people dying. I’ve never heard those numbers. I would—I would’ve been shocked. I would’ve said, “Does anybody die from the flu?” I didn’t know people died from the flu—36,000 people died.


He repeated Chinese propaganda from the beginning till mid March, ignored our resources that were trying to tell him what was going on and failed to lead. He listened to his "points to empty head".

Today we are approaching 60 thousand dead.

Spin that.

Sea Dangles 04-26-2020 11:42 AM

The amount of folks who have recovered has eclipsed 100K.
👍🏽
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Pete F. 04-26-2020 11:49 AM

Yesterday there were 32,796 new confirmed cases and this week the total number of cases will reach 1 million.

Got Stripers 04-26-2020 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1191807)
nobody said this which is why your stupidity eclipses even trump's

Reportedly hundreds already have called their primary care asking if doing just that is safe and effective, apparently they, the news media, even Dr. Brix who couldn’t believe what she was hearing all mistook the incredibly helpful “sarcastic” question wrong. It was just one of countless dumb remarks that prove he needs to follow the yellow brick road and ask the wizard of Oz for a brain. Actually while there a heart would help too and we all know he has courage having served in the military, oh wait crap he better get a three way. He knows all about getting those I’m sure.

Sea Dangles 04-26-2020 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1191829)
Reportedly hundreds already have called their primary care asking if doing just that is safe and effective, apparently they, the news media, even Dr. Brix who couldn’t believe what she was hearing all mistook the incredibly helpful “sarcastic” question wrong. It was just one of countless dumb remarks that prove he needs to follow the yellow brick road and ask the wizard of Oz for a brain. Actually while there a heart would help too and we all know he has courage having served in the military, oh wait crap he better get a three way. He knows all about getting those I’m sure.

These folks will all be outed as political plants who self sacrifice in the name of stupidity.
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detbuch 04-26-2020 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191822)
That's very nice, as Dr Birx said "when she came on in March", but you still missed the same month as the administration that Trump* leads.

The fish rots from the head.

As the virus spread from China across the United States between January and early March, large-scale testing of people who might have been infected did not happen. Because of technical flaws, regulatory hurdles, business-as-usual bureaucracies and lack of leadership at multiple levels.

The result was a lost month, when the world’s richest country with the highly trained scientists and infectious disease specialists, missed its best chance of containing the virus’s spread . . . . spin that.

I didn't miss anything. Your bullet points are not a revelation. You and the media have given us a repetition of timelines aplenty. I posted the video merely as a response to your video. Personally, I didn't see much of a reaction by Birx in the video you posted. Maybe it's there and I don't want to see it. If it is there, it certainly isn't very pronounced. But I think your point was that she was dismayed, or disgusted, or annoyed, or something negative toward Trump's comments. The video I posted didn't back that notion up at all, but even seemed complimentary to Trump.

And there are other timelines that don't blame Trump. And more than one thing was said by Trump on those particular days and on other days. Other politicians and medical experts have timelines of saying things that are supportive of Trump and/or are similar to various things Trump said. It's a trick to pick various statements Trump made on various days, all of which are Trump negative, but disregard all other things Trump has said and done.

In particular, Trump saying supportive things about adversaries with whom he is negotiating is very common, and are often inconsistent, and I have always taken them with a grain of salt. His actions speak much louder than the sometimes strange way he speaks. I like a lot of what he has done. I understand that you need to spin his words and create or paste timelines in a certain way. Knock yourself out.

Pete F. 04-26-2020 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1191833)
I didn't miss anything. Your bullet points are not a revelation. You and the media have given us a repetition of timelines aplenty. I posted the video merely as a response to your video. Personally, I didn't see much of a reaction by Birx in the video you posted. Maybe it's there and I don't want to see it. If it is there, it certainly isn't very pronounced. But I think your point was that she was dismayed, or disgusted, or annoyed, or something negative toward Trump's comments. The video I posted didn't back that notion up at all, but even seemed complimentary to Trump.

And there are other timelines that don't blame Trump. And more than one thing was said by Trump on those particular days and on other days. Other politicians and medical experts have timelines of saying things that are supportive of Trump and/or are similar to various things Trump said. It's a trick to pick various statements Trump made on various days, all of which are Trump negative, but disregard all other things Trump has said and done.

In particular, Trump saying supportive things about adversaries with whom he is negotiating is very common, and are often inconsistent, and I have always taken them with a grain of salt. His actions speak much louder than the sometimes strange way he speaks. I like a lot of what he has done. I understand that you need to spin his words and create or paste timelines in a certain way. Knock yourself out.

So you believe he continually says and does something else that produced no results even though his tweets and statements are pretty clear and you don't produce any contradictory information.

You claim there is another timeline somewhere out there, sounds like a fraudulent claim to me or at best a trick to support Trump*.

You can't believe what he says because it might mean something else.

Remember there are several different explanations floated by the administration regarding the light and disinfectant debacle.

Dr. Birx claimed he was thinking out loud and riffing.

White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany "President Trump has repeatedly said that Americans should consult with medical doctors regarding coronavirus treatment, a point that he emphasized again during yesterday's briefing," she said. "Leave it to the media to irresponsibly take President Trump out of context and run with negative headlines,"

"I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen," Trump told reporters in the Oval Office.

The funniest thing about the "I was just being sarcastic" defense is it comes after almost a full day of his supporters and Press Secretary claiming no, he actually never said to inject yourself with disinfectant and the media is totally taking him out of context.

Someone is certainly fake there and it doesn't look like the media is the one.

Over 54,000 Americans have died from COVID-19, and somehow Donald Trump* is the victim.

detbuch 04-26-2020 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191834)
So you believe he continually says and does something else that produced no results even though his tweets and statements are pretty clear and you don't produce any contradictory information.

I don't really grasp what you're trying to say here. And I have produced contradictory information in other posts. But you say you don't read them.

You claim there is another timeline somewhere out there, sounds like a fraudulent claim to me or at best a trick to support Trump*.

I have posted a couple of other timelines but you say you don't read my posts.

You can't believe what he says because it might mean something else.

I didn't say that. I have said in other posts what I believe about his saying nice stuff about adversaries, but you say you don't read my posts.

Remember there are several different explanations floated by the administration regarding the light and disinfectant debacle.

Dr. Birx claimed he was thinking out loud and riffing.

White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany "President Trump has repeatedly said that Americans should consult with medical doctors regarding coronavirus treatment, a point that he emphasized again during yesterday's briefing," she said. "Leave it to the media to irresponsibly take President Trump out of context and run with negative headlines,"

Yeah there are explanations that differ from your implications.

"I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen," Trump told reporters in the Oval Office.

The funniest thing about the "I was just being sarcastic" defense is it comes after almost a full day of his supporters and Press Secretary claiming no, he actually never said to inject yourself with disinfectant and the media is totally taking him out of context.

Someone is certainly fake there and it doesn't look like the media is the one.

I don't consider his remarks about disinfectants or sunlight to be important enough to make a continued fuss about. Dr Birx said she was bothered by the continued fuss that was drowning out more important information about what progress was being made, or something to that effect. I could perfectly understand Trump being sarcastic enough to say he was being sarcastic just to get off the subject and on to more important things.

Over 54,000 Americans have died from COVID-19, and somehow Donald Trump* is the victim.

He is not THE victim of COVID-19. He is A victim of biased media coverage. But that is to be expected.

detbuch 04-26-2020 03:42 PM

From an article by Tom Tillison in the April 26 in BPR Busines and Politics:

Democrats and their elitist media enablers continue to push the dishonest narrative that President Trump was advocating for people to ingest a cleaning and disinfecting product like Lysol to counter the coronavirus.

Twisting his words to the point of ridiculousness, the narrative was widely picked up by media outlets in the quest to paint the president as a bumbling idiot — which is an ongoing campaign that began before Trump ever took office.

The maneuver is so over the top that White House coronavirus response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx called the media out for it during an appearance on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

After playing a deceptively edited clip of the president’s remarks, anchor Jake Tapper asked what can easily be seen as an ignorant question: “What should the American people know about disinfectants in the human body?”

“That was a dialogue he was having between the Department of Homeland Security scientists and himself for information that he had received and he was discussing,” she explained to Tapper.

“We have made it clear, and when he turned to me, I made it clear and he understood that it was not as a treatment. And I think that kind of dialogue will happen,” Dr. Birx said. “I think what got lost in there, which is very unfortunate in what happened next, is that study was critically important for the American people.”

The study she is referring to is the impact sunlight has on the coronavirus, as well as heat and humidity — Trump was talking about powerful ultraviolet light being used as a possible deterrent to the virus, referring to it as a “disinfectant.”

With the November election fast approaching, Tapper was determined to score points against the president and continued to misrepresent his meaning.

“[Trump] was talking about ways to take that science and somehow turn it into injecting UV light or disinfectants into the human body which, as you know, especially with disinfectants, can be lethal,” Tapper said. “And the CDC had to issue a statement, Lysol had to issue a statement.”

Pressing on the matter he tried his best to drive a wedge between Birx and Trump.

“I understand that you’re taking a generous approach to this when it comes to President Trump musing aloud, but this is potentially dangerous,” Tapper continued. “Poison control centers got calls from people and they had to issue statements saying do not internally use disinfectants. As a doctor, doesn’t that bother you that you have to spend any time discussing this?”

“Well, I think it bothers me that this is still in the news cycle,” Birx said. “Because I think we’re missing the bigger pieces of what we need to be doing as an American people to continue to protect one another, and we should be having that dialogue…”

Got Stripers 04-26-2020 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1191838)
From an article by Tom Tillison in the April 26 in BPR Busines and Politics:

Democrats and their elitist media enablers continue to push the dishonest narrative that President Trump was advocating for people to ingest a cleaning and disinfecting product like Lysol to counter the coronavirus.

Twisting his words to the point of ridiculousness, the narrative was widely picked up by media outlets in the quest to paint the president as a bumbling idiot — which is an ongoing campaign that began before Trump ever took office.

The maneuver is so over the top that White House coronavirus response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx called the media out for it during an appearance on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

After playing a deceptively edited clip of the president’s remarks, anchor Jake Tapper asked what can easily be seen as an ignorant question: “What should the American people know about disinfectants in the human body?”

“That was a dialogue he was having between the Department of Homeland Security scientists and himself for information that he had received and he was discussing,” she explained to Tapper.

“We have made it clear, and when he turned to me, I made it clear and he understood that it was not as a treatment. And I think that kind of dialogue will happen,” Dr. Birx said. “I think what got lost in there, which is very unfortunate in what happened next, is that study was critically important for the American people.”

The study she is referring to is the impact sunlight has on the coronavirus, as well as heat and humidity — Trump was talking about powerful ultraviolet light being used as a possible deterrent to the virus, referring to it as a “disinfectant.”

With the November election fast approaching, Tapper was determined to score points against the president and continued to misrepresent his meaning.

“[Trump] was talking about ways to take that science and somehow turn it into injecting UV light or disinfectants into the human body which, as you know, especially with disinfectants, can be lethal,” Tapper said. “And the CDC had to issue a statement, Lysol had to issue a statement.”

Pressing on the matter he tried his best to drive a wedge between Birx and Trump.

“I understand that you’re taking a generous approach to this when it comes to President Trump musing aloud, but this is potentially dangerous,” Tapper continued. “Poison control centers got calls from people and they had to issue statements saying do not internally use disinfectants. As a doctor, doesn’t that bother you that you have to spend any time discussing this?”

“Well, I think it bothers me that this is still in the news cycle,” Birx said. “Because I think we’re missing the bigger pieces of what we need to be doing as an American people to continue to protect one another, and we should be having that dialogue…”

As usual you miss the point many try to make. If Trump wanted that question answered, he should have done that behind closed doors and then he doesn't look like a tool and idiot for asking it on national TV. Then the idiots that follow this guy like he knows what he is talking about medically don’t start drinking the crap or calling their primary care doctors wasting their time to ask if it’s a good remedy. You at times appear to be a smart guy, other times it’s just flag waving nonsense.

wdmso 04-26-2020 04:40 PM

Democrats and their elitist media enablers continue to push the dishonest narrative that President Trump was advocating for people to ingest a cleaning and disinfecting product like Lysol to counter the coronavirus.

Only Trump supporters actually think the above statement is what everyone else except them is really thinking. ..

So Trumps supporters have no issues with his inability convey a simple message with out looking like a fool ... see his other stellar statements for more examples

But do they understand this man has the sole authority to launch a nuke

the next day his faithful , would start telling us he was being sarcastic or it was only a hurricane , and name some obscure study to point out his genius



When during the campaign I would say, 'Mexico's going to pay for it,' obviously I never said this and I never meant they're going to write out a check." January 10 (South Lawn)

And a lot of people, including me, thought soccer would probably never make it in this country, but it really is moving forward rapidly." February 3 (Super Bowl interview)
Paging @MeninBlazers!!!! This was part of Trump's answer to whether he would allow his son, Barron, to play football.

Some of the most dishonest people in media are the so-called 'fact-checkers.'

I have pretty good vision. At least for my age, I have good vision. I guess for my age, I have great vision.

And don't forget Biden deserted you. He's not from Pennsylvania. I guess he was born here, but he left you folks. He left you for another state." May 20 (Pennsylvania rally)
Biden left his home state of Pennsylvania when he was 10 years old!


It was Jackie O., and that's good, but we have our own Jackie O. today. It's called Melania. We'll call it Melania T." June 14 (Fox & Friends) he calls his wife IT?

Don't worry about the rain, umbrellas work very well, especially when they're made in America." August 13 (Pennsylvania speech)

If you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations, your house just went down 75 percent in value. And they say the noise causes cancer,” the president said


Trump on Puerto Rican crisis: 'This is an island surrounded by water, big water, ocean water'

detbuch 04-26-2020 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1191840)
As usual you miss the point many try to make. If Trump wanted that question answered, he should have done that behind closed doors and then he doesn't look like a tool and idiot for asking it on national TV. Then the idiots that follow this guy like he knows what he is talking about medically don’t start drinking the crap or calling their primary care doctors wasting their time to ask if it’s a good remedy. You at times appear to be a smart guy, other times it’s just flag waving nonsense.

I didn't miss that "point." I presented other points. Including Dr. Birx's.

I agree that he should keep a tighter lip, especially in talking about things that don't really matter. And especially because of the way he phrases his words. He knows how the press will frame any thing he says that is even a little bit "off." I would rather that he would quietly go about his business and keep doing good stuff, and quit feeding the oppo Press with fake fodder. That may never happen. So I make the responding points.

And, as I have said, claiming that dummies will do stupid stuff because of how they hear Trump is a red herring. The oppo Press has claimed all kinds of consequences, like riots, Alt-Right terrorism, gun violence, bullying, racism, rise of anti-Semitism, attacks on homosexuals, ingesting poison, to Trump's words which did not call for any of those things. So, therefore, Trump must be gagged because any thing he says might somehow "spark" devastating consequences. But that would be near impossible since the twisting of his words is intentional, and will continue no matter what he says.

And no, not waving a flag. Just trying to point out the truth as I see it. I'm sure you're doing the same.

Pete F. 04-26-2020 07:45 PM

Trump will no longer hold daily coronavirus propaganda briefings. A gigantic win for all Americans, and for all of humanity.
I give him 4 days before he does another, unless he can go play golf.
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Sea Dangles 04-26-2020 10:25 PM

99% survival rate
Better than we would’ve hoped for.
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Jim in CT 04-27-2020 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1191870)
99% survival rate
Better than we would’ve hoped for.
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one death is too many, but the totals are far lower than models predicted.
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Pete F. 04-27-2020 07:11 AM

Trump* a few weeks ago said he now expects "around 60,000, maybe 65,000" American deaths from the coronavirus. He indicates he'll proclaim any total under 100,000 as a reflection of what a great job his government did.

“A lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat—as the heat comes in.”

Just what rattles around in his empty head?
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Sea Dangles 04-27-2020 07:22 AM

Bitchslappedboy, when you tried to instill fear by spreading the modeling predictions that indicate 100,000 to 250,000 deaths it did not work. Keep ringing the bell while quick decisions save more lives.
America 1st
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Pete F. 04-27-2020 07:28 AM

MR1
Just resort to name calling because the truth upsets your narrative and unfortunately we are on our way to those numbers.
Stay safe
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Sea Dangles 04-27-2020 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191880)
MR1
Just resort to name calling because the truth upsets your narrative and unfortunately we are on our way to those numbers.
Stay safe
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Bitchslappedboy,Your sheep are not as scared as they were a few weeks ago. You have a better chance of dying from the flu than corona.LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL.
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Got Stripers 04-27-2020 08:17 AM

You must have really good eye sight, because this is far from over and this country is still in catch up mode. Testing and tracing are still far behind. No surprise your parroting the optimism Trump wants to spread in order to get the economy going. But hey you thought the hundreds of callers asking if shallowing or injecting themselves with Clorox or other disinfectants were liberal plants. It’s hard for anyone to take you seriously, I suspect the light you see is glare from the foil hat you where. On a side note, my boys report multiple EMS calls and ER trips for people with severe gastrointestinal burns after drinking the wrong stuff, that’s Boston and here on the south shore. Proving again, some people are very easily pushed in the wrong direction when they are scared and most importantly the words of the president matter. Keep the idiot away from the podium.

The FDA had to issue a warning to NOT take hydroxychloriquin and after Trumps idiotic briefing, the White House had to issue a warning for Americans to NOT consider drinking or injecting themselves with disinfectants. Two markers for where we are and when the second wave comes I wonder what miracle cure Trump might throw in the air.

Jim in CT 04-27-2020 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1191889)
You must have really good eye sight, because this is far from over and this country is still in catch up mode. Testing and tracing are still far behind. No surprise your parroting the optimism Trump wants to spread in order to get the economy going. But hey you thought the hundreds of callers asking if shallowing or injecting themselves with Clorox or other disinfectants were liberal plants. It’s hard for anyone to take you seriously, I suspect the light you see is glare from the foil hat you where. On a side note, my boys report multiple EMS calls and ER trips for people with severe gastrointestinal burns after drinking the wrong stuff, that’s Boston and here on the south shore. Proving again, some people are very easily pushed in the wrong direction when they are scared and most importantly the words of the president matter. Keep the idiot away from the podium.

The FDA had to issue a warning to NOT take hydroxychloriquin and after Trumps idiotic briefing, the White House had to issue a warning for Americans to NOT consider drinking or injecting themselves with disinfectants. Two markers for where we are and when the second wave comes I wonder what miracle cure Trump might throw in the air.

It's far from over, but most in the medical community believe we're going to fare much better than original models forecasted. There's basically a consensus on that.

"the White House had to issue a warning for Americans to NOT consider drinking or injecting themselves with disinfectants."

Because of the way that your side spun what he actually said.

Do you see a meaningful difference, between asking if something could ever be possible. and suggesting that people do it today?

It would have been better had Trump asked that in private. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with asking if something is possible, but he should have known how dishonestly your side would spin it.

And if asking if light or disinfectants could ever be a help here is so stupid to ask, why are scientists doing trials to see if disinfectants (chlorine in this case) and UV light can help? Scientists are currently exploring the same avenues that he asked about.

Got Stripers 04-27-2020 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1191892)
It's far from over, but most in the medical community believe we're going to fare much better than original models forecasted. There's basically a consensus on that.

"the White House had to issue a warning for Americans to NOT consider drinking or injecting themselves with disinfectants."

Because of the way that your side spun what he actually said.

Do you see a meaningful difference, between asking if something could ever be possible. and suggesting that people do it today?

It would have been better had Trump asked that in private. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with asking if something is possible, but he should have known how dishonestly your side would spin it.

And if asking if light or disinfectants could ever be a help here is so stupid to ask, why are scientists doing trials to see if disinfectants (chlorine in this case) and UV light can help? Scientists are currently exploring the same avenues that he asked about.

Our “side” heard the question on national TV and reasonable people understand that it should have never been asked, Trump meandering medical questions belong in private. Spin isn’t why the scared, or mentality ill or people just overwhelmed might drink that crap. The spin and the reporting on our “side” suggest at every turn how wrong and how dangerous that would be. The warnings were issued because they realized it was stupid and it might result in serious injury or death if followed. I get that you guys want to defend him even if he shoots someone on 5th ave, but wrong and stupid are just wrong and stupid.

To make it clear to all what a smuck he is, he claimed he was being sarcastic. So let’s for a second consider that might be true, which we all know is false, the president in a national crisis with Americans dying and suffering for months, feels sarcasm is appropriate. That walk back attempt is Trump being the low life he is.

Sea Dangles 04-27-2020 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1191889)
You must have really good eye sight, because this is far from over and this country is still in catch up mode. Testing and tracing are still far behind. No surprise your parroting the optimism Trump wants to spread in order to get the economy going. But hey you thought the hundreds of callers asking if shallowing or injecting themselves with Clorox or other disinfectants were liberal plants. It’s hard for anyone to take you seriously, I suspect the light you see is glare from the foil hat you where. On a side note, my boys report multiple EMS calls and ER trips for people with severe gastrointestinal burns after drinking the wrong stuff, that’s Boston and here on the south shore. Proving again, some people are very easily pushed in the wrong direction when they are scared and most importantly the words of the president matter. Keep the idiot away from the podium.

The FDA had to issue a warning to NOT take hydroxychloriquin and after Trumps idiotic briefing, the White House had to issue a warning for Americans to NOT consider drinking or injecting themselves with disinfectants. Two markers for where we are and when the second wave comes I wonder what miracle cure Trump might throw in the air.

⛑🤡🐰
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Pete F. 04-27-2020 08:41 AM

Spun, really or was he being sarcastic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG0ciGfJ1xY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMSY-F2zEzw


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