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Jim in CT 11-05-2020 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1204584)
When the President is habitually lying about voting by mail during a pandemic, .

You don't think voting by mail is necessarily more prone to fraud, than voting in person with an id? It' snot easier to commit fraud with mail-in votes?

Jim in CT 11-05-2020 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1204585)
Who's saying not to count AZ? Count 'em all, follow the state laws, quit complaining.

That's one of the things Trump is asking for. SO some of his requests are reasonable.

Jim in CT 11-05-2020 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1204585)
Count 'em all, follow the state laws, quit complaining.

Agreed. But "if" state laws say that observers need to have access (not sure if that's guaranteed by law, I have no idea) and you deny them access ("if" that actually happened; I don't know, and I presume you don't know for sure either), then that's a violation of state law. Right?

spence 11-05-2020 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1204586)
You don't think voting by mail is necessarily more prone to fraud, than voting in person with an id? It' snot easier to commit fraud with mail-in votes?

I have never seen a single credible report that says it vote by mail fraud is statistically significant anywhere in the US. Not one.

spence 11-05-2020 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1204587)
That's one of the things Trump is asking for. SO some of his requests are reasonable.

Wanting votes to be counted and you give them an atta'boy? The bar is really that pathetically low.

It's like the second debate "Trump doesn't poop pants, wins debate"

scottw 11-05-2020 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1204593)
I have never seen a single credible report that says it vote by mail fraud is statistically significant anywhere in the US. Not one.

we are seeing the very serious problem with mailing out unsolicited ballots....but chaos works in the democrats favor

Pete F. 11-05-2020 11:10 AM

Tweety on election night

"This is a fraud on the American public. This is an embarrassment to our country. We were getting ready to win this election. Frankly, we did win this election. We did win this election. So our goal now is to ensure the integrity for the good of this nation. This is a very big moment. This is a major fraud in our nation. We want the law to be used in a proper manner. So we’ll be going to the US Supreme Court. We want all voting to stop. We don’t want them to find any ballots at four o’clock in the morning and add them to the list. Okay? It’s a very sad moment. To me this is a very sad moment and we will win this. And as far as I’m concerned, we already have won it."

Pete F. 11-05-2020 11:58 AM

Michigan SOS response to Tweety’s lawsuit
"Even a cursory review of Plaintiffs’ filings demonstrates that their vague legal claims and nonexistent facts hold no water and should be dismissed."
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Jim in CT 11-05-2020 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1204593)
I have never seen a single credible report that says it vote by mail fraud is statistically significant anywhere in the US. Not one.

Trump is losing Nevada by 7,500 votes. So I'm not sure your definition of "statistically significant", which would change based on party of sitting president, means much.

Jim in CT 11-05-2020 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1204605)
Michigan SOS response to Tweety’s lawsuit
"Even a cursory review of Plaintiffs’ filings demonstrates that their vague legal claims and nonexistent facts hold no water and should be dismissed."
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A statement with precisely zero facts, precisely zero evidence, is good enough for you. you are willing to take the word of a liberal, but not of any conservative. Sounds smart.

Pete F. 11-05-2020 01:07 PM

That’s why gaslighting is hard to rebutt
Tweety’s quite expert at it
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Jim in CT 11-05-2020 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1204610)
That’s why gaslighting is hard to rebutt
Tweety’s quite expert at it
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Pete, Trump's team makes an accusation, you say its a sham.

The accused denies the accusation, and you say "see? I knew it was a sham."

How about we get to the facts, if theres no evidence of wrongdoing, Trump pays all legal fees and we ALL call him out for making stuff up. Is that so crazy?

Pete F. 11-05-2020 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1204613)
Pete, Trump's team makes an accusation, you say its a sham.

The accused denies the accusation, and you say "see? I knew it was a sham."

How about we get to the facts, if theres no evidence of wrongdoing, Trump pays all legal fees and we ALL call him out for making stuff up. Is that so crazy?

Keep believing the gaslighter

It's a pretty telling, remarkable development that the Trump campaign is focusing on very smallbore legal challenges when they're on the verge of losing by as many as 70 electoral votes.

In President Donald Trump’s second loss in court in a single day, a Michigan judge rejected the Trump campaign’s bid to stop counting ballots without their inspectors present. The judge scoffed at plaintiffs’ “hearsay” evidence that a lawyer said she heard from a poll worker regarding dates supposedly changed on ballots.

“‘I heard someone else say something,'” Michigan Judge Cynthia Stephens said on Thursday, summing up an affidavit submitted by the Trump campaign. “Tell me how that is not hearsay. Come on now!”

An attorney for the Democratic National Committee, seeking to intervene in the case, argued that the Trump campaign lacked factual support.

“No evidence in the record would allow the court to find a likelihood of success on the merits,” the DNC’s counsel Kevin Hamilton said in court.

“All of this is really an effort to stop the counting of ballots by Michigan voters,” he added later.

Today’s hearing landed in the Michigan Court of Claims after the Trump campaign and Michigan voter Eric Ostergren alleged in a lawsuit that they were excluded from the counting board during the absentee voter ballot review process.


Filed against Michigan’s Democratic Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, the complaint alleged that Ostergren had been denied the opportunity to watch videotapes of votes being counted in violation of the state constitution’s right to equal protection under the law and “purity of elections.” Trump wanted an order telling the secretary to stop counting absentee ballots until an inspector from each party was present.

Hamilton, the attorney for the Democrats, noted that there is no right to video surveillance of voters casting ballots.

Before today’s proceedings began, Michigan’s Attorney General Dana Nessel (D) cast the Trump campaign’s demand as both “frivolous” and filed too late to matter.

“Plaintiffs attempt to ‘unring’ a bell in this case. They ask this court to halt the counting and processing of absent voter ballots throughout the state of Michigan,” her assistant attorney general Heather Meingast said in the state’s 20-page opposition papers. “But the tally of unofficial county results is complete. This means that absent voter ballots have already been processed and counted in the State of Michigan. The relief they seek can no longer be granted. And regardless, plaintiffs’ substantive claims are entirely without merit, if not frivolous.”


Earlier on Thursday, a Georgia judge quickly threw out another Trump campaign lawsuit after two witnesses conceded that they did not know whether 53 challenged ballots were received on time. The county board’s witnesses affirmed that they were.

You can watch the Michigan proceedings here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELnXCQcjgWQ

wdmso 11-05-2020 05:15 PM

Its so simple and rather sad, people, are still attempting spin and carry trumps water..

SO when trump thought he was winning. There were no threats of law suits. Only when he began losing the lawsuits started



And all these states are in on the Fix with the deep state to elect Biden. Ya ok

Got Stripers 11-05-2020 05:32 PM

From the guy who brought you “the reason there are so many cases is because we are doing too many tests” comes the new hit single “I’m only losing because they are counting votes against me”.
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scottw 11-05-2020 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1204620)

From the guy who brought you “the reason there are so many cases is because we are doing too many tests” .

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our democrat governor was actually saying this exact same thing a short time ago as she was congratulating herself for RI's testing and explaining the increase in positive tests


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