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Ian 11-07-2020 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1204645)
two images from the same article in the New York Times yesterday...the first showing violent right wing extremists in action and the second showing peaceful democrats promoting love and unity

I was under the impression that this is the way both sides spends their time
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wdmso 11-07-2020 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1204706)
Rig it where you can. Cities like Detroit, Pheladelphia, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Milwaukee, give Democrats the most fertile ground for corruption in their favor.

your are the person we've always said you where fed by You Tube with a steady drip of conspiracy Hiding behind long windy proclamations of constant constitutional references or new secrets

and forwarding Trumps claims and Fox... Detroit, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Milwaukee, give Democrats the most fertile ground for corruption in their favor!!

I think what upsets Trump and His Supporters the most is those areas are predominately Areas of people of Color .. And how dare they vote to remove the man who has done the most for them:lasso:

Armed men arrested in Philadelphia were trying to deliver fake ballots

we can catch 2 clowns from VA with Qanon sympathies with a truck load of fake ballots in an attempt to stage a ballot dump

But we cant find the fraud that Trump and You claim is happening :btu:

zimmy 11-07-2020 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1204703)
Jerry Springer, Meth, high fructose corn syrup and reality TV.
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You left out Newt Gingrich
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spence 11-07-2020 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by zimmy (Post 1204715)
You left out Newt Gingrich
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Newt has probably done more than any other public figure to poison politics in my lifetime.

RickBomba 11-07-2020 12:13 PM

Whelp,
All over now, ‘cept the whining.
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detbuch 11-07-2020 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1204711)
your are the person we've always said you where fed by You Tube with a steady drip of conspiracy Hiding behind long windy proclamations of constant constitutional references or new secrets

You mean like the steady drip of conspiracy about Trump colluding with Russia that the honored legacy media which you trust kept reporting and claiming--which all turned out to be a hoax?

and forwarding Trumps claims and Fox... Detroit, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Milwaukee, give Democrats the most fertile ground for corruption in their favor!!

I think what upsets Trump and His Supporters the most is those areas are predominately Areas of people of Color .. And how dare they vote to remove the man who has done the most for them:lasso:

So you have this racist opinion that all blacks voted for Biden and there are not significant number of white folks in those cities. And yeah, those cities have had checkered pasts of corruption in their history. And they have strong Democrat political machines running them.


Armed men arrested in Philadelphia were trying to deliver fake ballots

we can catch 2 clowns from VA with Qanon sympathies with a truck load of fake ballots in an attempt to stage a ballot dump

But we cant find the fraud that Trump and You claim is happening :btu:

C'mon man! There have been votes cast for Trump found thrown away. And it is documented by a large number of Republican ballot watchers in Philadelphia being denied their legal ability to to actually be able to witness if ballots were legitimate. It appears that also happened in other cities as well.

And well done fraud, even if it is in your face and obvious, is difficult, if not impossible, to prove. I suspected shortly after 11PM election night (when Trump was comfortably ahead in the states he needed to win and the counting was stopped in MI, WI, and PA, and would begin the next day, and very shortly after 11PM that Biden had a televised announcement that he was sure of victory and that he even would win PA even though he was almost 800,000 votes behind) that the election was over and Biden would win.

Why stop the counting at 11PM? Maybe to set in motion plan B if Biden was behind in order to switch the legit counting and coordinate the plan to rig the process in order to keep "counting" until you magically got the number needed to win? Yeah, dumb conspiracy me, I concluded at about 11PM election night, even though Trump was ahead, that Biden would "win."

And that is not whining, it is just fact. Move on toward the midterms and take over the House while keeping the Senate--which, ironically, might help Biden if the Repubs can block the economy destroying moves he plans and the economy keeps the rapid recovery and beyond. But I think, if the Dems carry out their promise to rescind everything Trump has done, the economy will stagnate into the Obama era "new normal," and military spending may somehow be curtailed, and the tariffs on China will be lifted and it will be allowed to continue in full force its objective to dominate the world and make us dependent on it.

If you want to get another, and intelligent, opinion besides the sources that have mislead you in other respects, read this article by Brian T. Kennedy titled Facing Up to the China Threat--https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/facing-china-threat/ . Or remain blissfully ignorant.

Ian 11-07-2020 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1204724)
C'mon man! There have been votes cast for Trump found thrown away. And it is documented by a large number of Republican ballot watchers in Philadelphia being denied their legal ability to to actually be able to witness if ballots were legitimate. It appears that also happened in other cities as well.

And well done fraud, even if it is in your face and obvious, is difficult, if not impossible, to prove. I suspected shortly after 11PM election night (when Trump was comfortably ahead in the states he needed to win and the counting was stopped in MI, WI, and PA, and would begin the next day, and very shortly after 11PM that Biden had a televised announcement that he was sure of victory and that he even would win PA even though he was almost 800,000 votes behind) that the election was over and Biden would win.

Why stop the counting at 11PM? Maybe to set in motion plan B if Biden was behind in order to switch the legit counting and coordinate the plan to rig the process in order to keep "counting" until you magically got the number needed to win? Yeah, dumb conspiracy me, I concluded at about 11PM election night, even though Trump was ahead, that Biden would "win."

And that is not whining, it is just fact. Move on toward the midterms and take over the House while keeping the Senate--which, ironically, might help Biden if the Repubs can block the economy destroying moves he plans and the economy keeps the rapid recovery and beyond. But I think, if the Dems carry out their promise to rescind everything Trump has done, the economy will stagnate into the Obama era "new normal," and military spending may somehow be curtailed, and the tariffs on China will be lifted and it will be allowed to continue in full force its objective to dominate the world and make us dependent on it.

If you want to get another, and intelligent, opinion besides the sources that have mislead you in other respects, read this article by Brian T. Kennedy titled Facing Up to the China Threat--https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/facing-china-threat/ . Or remain blissfully ignorant.

Your ability to use conveniently irrelevant facts to back up convenient implications of impropriety is impressive
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spence 11-07-2020 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1204704)
Social Media, it gave morons a common forum
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A lot of truth to this. I don’t know if I’d say a common forum though as much an equal voice.
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Got Stripers 11-07-2020 06:47 PM

Leaders from our allies around the world are sending congrats and a thank god and Trump and his boot liking GOP are silent, probably gasping for air as their ship sinks.

Pete F. 11-07-2020 06:58 PM

“ So the race ends as the President golfs—and his pathetic aides stage a shambolic press conference at a landscaping company next to a dildo store. I couldn’t have precisely predicted this, but it seems inevitable really.”
Garret Graff
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Pete F. 11-07-2020 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1204633)
when trump supporters get incited....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkMenBeQoXg&t=97s

The crowd outside the White House celebrating Joe Biden’s projected victory is blaring YMCA — the song President Trump closed out his latest rallies with.
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wdmso 11-07-2020 08:02 PM

Donald Trump Celebrates Most Ever ‘Legal Votes’ for Sitting President Take a ride over to Breitbart. And witness the melt down .. I love this excuse. Since when do news networks choose The President. Funny it was acceptable in 2016 when media outlets called it for Trump now not so much 🙈
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wdmso 11-07-2020 09:14 PM

Leaders Of Hungary And Slovenia, Stout Trump Allies In EU, Say U.S. Vote Isn't Over
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Ian 11-07-2020 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1204742)
Leaders Of Hungary And Slovenia, Stout Trump Allies In EU, Say U.S. Vote Isn't Over
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Isn’t Slovenia where Melania is from?
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wdmso 11-08-2020 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian (Post 1204743)
Isn’t Slovenia where Melania is from?
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Yes that’s what’s on her bill of sale
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scottw 11-08-2020 10:24 AM

bitter awful people :shocked:

wdmso 11-08-2020 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1204773)
bitter awful people :shocked:


TRUMP REPORTEDLY CONSIDERING LAUNCHING FOX NEWS RIVAL NETWORK

life after, anger at Fox / Murdoch family cannot be understated. Should he lose, Trump wants to destroy Fox - aides believe they can steal hosts Hannity & Carlson. Sources believe Trump will never admit he lost should we get there - instead stick with “rigged” “fraud” “stolen”

At least you’ll have a new station to watch dedicated to telling its viewers what they want to hear
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scottw 11-08-2020 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1204779)


TRUMP REPORTEDLY CONSIDERING LAUNCHING FOX NEWS RIVAL NETWORK


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this would be fun....

RIROCKHOUND 11-08-2020 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1204773)
bitter awful people :shocked:

Yes, the Trumps are.
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scottw 11-08-2020 05:32 PM

oops....democrats are embarrassing us around the world :laugha:


"One Mexican election authority is aghast at the fraud he has seen among Democrats in the 2020 election.

“The fraud I have seen in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and some other states is so evident,” he said on condition of anonymity, that “it rivals the worst of what we have had in Mexico.”

Mexico’s dominant Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) held onto power for decades through a combination of ruthless central control via an unaccountable bureaucracy, a powerful political police, economic nationalism, and massive corruption and patronage. The country has come a long way in recent years but still has far to go.

Even so, Mexicans are aghast at the Biden machine’s electoral corruption.

“Mexican and Latin American ‘fraud experts’ like PRI wouldn’t believe how easy it is to rig elections in the United States,” the Mexican election authority told me. “And it’s very clear that Democrats used every tool at hand to force a win. As far as I can see, they are ‘stealing the election, fair and square.’”

Most countries south of the border are strict about ensuring one person, one vote. No foreigners are allowed to vote. Quality of voter integrity varies.

“We have a very strict voting system in El Salvador,” says Ambassador Francisco Lainez, a former foreign minister. “Every citizen over 18 has what’s called a Unique Identity Document bearing his or her name, personal information, and digital photo, fingerprint, and signature. Every voter must present that ID when requesting a ballot at the voting booth,” he said, perhaps too diplomatic to make a comment either way about the unfolding vote count in the United States.

I’ve seen El Salvador’s political process evolve since the Communist insurgency in the 1980s. As an official international election observer after the war, I was impressed with strict adherence to voter ID for everyone and measures to ensure that people vote only once.

Every democracy has its problems with fraud and abuse, and our southern neighbors have their fair share. Mexico still has trouble with “the substitution of ballots,” the Mexican election authority says, referring to wholesale dumping of real ballots and replacing them with faked ballots to be counted. “Entire blocks of cast votes were changed by others. All in favor of one candidate. These are very easy to spot. It’s impossible to have 100 percent of the votes for one option.”

It’s just as easy to spot in the United States, if those counting the ballots allow others to watch.

Traditional voter fraud in Mexico persists in some areas with “the nullification of ballots,” or “with writing on ballots, marking votes for multiple candidates, or whatever is needed to prevent those ballots from being counted,” the election authority told me. And then there is what he called “increasing the amount of ballots, exceeding the turnout.”

Biden’s Vote-Rigging Would Leave Mexican Vote Fraudsters Breathless
It’s the specific steps that Mexico has taken to prevent voter fraud at the ballot box—and to prevent noncitizens from voting at all—that reveal how Democrats in the United States have made politics dirtier than Mexico’s.

With a population of 129 million, Mexico is the 10th most populous country in the world. That leaves a lot of room for electoral fraud.

The PRI tolerated regional or token competition as long as opponents didn’t threaten its fundamental grip on power. Over time, however, Mexico’s spectacularly corrupt one-party state gave way to a real democratic system that, for all is shortcomings, the country guards jealously. In recent decades, opposition leaders ranging from conservative to Marxist have overcome the PRI to win the presidency.

Even the PRI would find American vote-rigging in 2020 too staggering to behold.

Vote by mail? No way. “In Mexico, and in Latin America, there is not a chance to mail votes. Mail service is terrible, no one would accept losing control of their vote,” the Mexican election authority says. He never heard of drive-thru voting until watching the 2020 U.S. election.

Vote on any day but Election Day? Never. Even applying to vote absentee requires the voter to appear in person with an ID three months in advance, and with a solid reason.

Can dead people still vote in Mexico? “Right now it is very difficult,” the official tells me. “But years before it was a very common fraud practice, as well as prison inmates and migrants.”

Mexico is as nationalistic as a country can be. It’s proud of its traditions and its sovereignty. It aggressively protects its system from foreign interference. And it has one of the toughest voter ID systems around.

All adult citizens must have national identification cards. One such ID is a voter card, called “Credencial para votar,” literally “credential for voting.” It resembles an American state driver’s license with name, address, age, sex, place of residence, and a photo of the bearer, plus a unique “clave de elector” or “voter key” that functions like an voter equivalent of an American Social Security number, but without the taxation or handouts. (There’s a different personal number for those in Mexico.)

This key is an 18-character alphanumeric code derived from letters from the individual’s given name, surname, mother’s maiden name or matronymic, the first internal consonant of each name, plus the numerical date of birth, two digits indicating the place of birth, either of the two genders, and a computer-generated suffix to prevent duplication. It contains numeric designations of the citizen’s state, district, municipality, neighborhood, and subsection. Unlike in America, Mexicans don’t appear on the voter rolls of multiple jurisdictions.


The code also indicates whether the Mexican citizen was foreign-born, natural-born to Mexican parents abroad, or a naturalized immigrant. Foreign status is important in Mexico, a country tough on illegal immigration and where foreigners are forbidden to interfere at all in politics.

The reverse of the credential-to-vote card contains the individual’s digitized signature and fingerprint, with personal data stored on a magnetic strip similar to those on a credit card. The card is protected with holograms and ultraviolet ink, all sealed in plastic.

In other words, Mexico runs a very tight ship to track its citizens—more than the average American would or probably should ever tolerate—to protect its electoral system from fraud and foreign interference.

If a Mexican citizen shows up at the polling station without showing this form of ID, he can’t vote. All of this shows why Mexico’s electoral process is cleaner than ours in America."

wdmso 11-08-2020 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1204815)
oops....democrats are embarrassing us around the world :laugha:


"One Mexican election authority is aghast at the fraud he has seen among Democrats in the 2020 election.

“The fraud I have seen in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and some other states is so evident,” he said on condition of anonymity, that “it rivals the worst of what we have had in Mexico.”

Mexico’s dominant Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) held onto power for decades through a combination of ruthless central control via an unaccountable bureaucracy, a powerful political police, economic nationalism, and massive corruption and patronage. The country has come a long way in recent years but still has far to go.

Even so, Mexicans are aghast at the Biden machine’s electoral corruption.

“Mexican and Latin American ‘fraud experts’ like PRI wouldn’t believe how easy it is to rig elections in the United States,” the Mexican election authority told me. “And it’s very clear that Democrats used every tool at hand to force a win. As far as I can see, they are ‘stealing the election, fair and square.’”

Most countries south of the border are strict about ensuring one person, one vote. No foreigners are allowed to vote. Quality of voter integrity varies.

“We have a very strict voting system in El Salvador,” says Ambassador Francisco Lainez, a former foreign minister. “Every citizen over 18 has what’s called a Unique Identity Document bearing his or her name, personal information, and digital photo, fingerprint, and signature. Every voter must present that ID when requesting a ballot at the voting booth,” he said, perhaps too diplomatic to make a comment either way about the unfolding vote count in the United States.

I’ve seen El Salvador’s political process evolve since the Communist insurgency in the 1980s. As an official international election observer after the war, I was impressed with strict adherence to voter ID for everyone and measures to ensure that people vote only once.

Every democracy has its problems with fraud and abuse, and our southern neighbors have their fair share. Mexico still has trouble with “the substitution of ballots,” the Mexican election authority says, referring to wholesale dumping of real ballots and replacing them with faked ballots to be counted. “Entire blocks of cast votes were changed by others. All in favor of one candidate. These are very easy to spot. It’s impossible to have 100 percent of the votes for one option.”

It’s just as easy to spot in the United States, if those counting the ballots allow others to watch.

Traditional voter fraud in Mexico persists in some areas with “the nullification of ballots,” or “with writing on ballots, marking votes for multiple candidates, or whatever is needed to prevent those ballots from being counted,” the election authority told me. And then there is what he called “increasing the amount of ballots, exceeding the turnout.”

Biden’s Vote-Rigging Would Leave Mexican Vote Fraudsters Breathless
It’s the specific steps that Mexico has taken to prevent voter fraud at the ballot box—and to prevent noncitizens from voting at all—that reveal how Democrats in the United States have made politics dirtier than Mexico’s.

With a population of 129 million, Mexico is the 10th most populous country in the world. That leaves a lot of room for electoral fraud.

The PRI tolerated regional or token competition as long as opponents didn’t threaten its fundamental grip on power. Over time, however, Mexico’s spectacularly corrupt one-party state gave way to a real democratic system that, for all is shortcomings, the country guards jealously. In recent decades, opposition leaders ranging from conservative to Marxist have overcome the PRI to win the presidency.

Even the PRI would find American vote-rigging in 2020 too staggering to behold.

Vote by mail? No way. “In Mexico, and in Latin America, there is not a chance to mail votes. Mail service is terrible, no one would accept losing control of their vote,” the Mexican election authority says. He never heard of drive-thru voting until watching the 2020 U.S. election.

Vote on any day but Election Day? Never. Even applying to vote absentee requires the voter to appear in person with an ID three months in advance, and with a solid reason.

Can dead people still vote in Mexico? “Right now it is very difficult,” the official tells me. “But years before it was a very common fraud practice, as well as prison inmates and migrants.”

Mexico is as nationalistic as a country can be. It’s proud of its traditions and its sovereignty. It aggressively protects its system from foreign interference. And it has one of the toughest voter ID systems around.

All adult citizens must have national identification cards. One such ID is a voter card, called “Credencial para votar,” literally “credential for voting.” It resembles an American state driver’s license with name, address, age, sex, place of residence, and a photo of the bearer, plus a unique “clave de elector” or “voter key” that functions like an voter equivalent of an American Social Security number, but without the taxation or handouts. (There’s a different personal number for those in Mexico.)

This key is an 18-character alphanumeric code derived from letters from the individual’s given name, surname, mother’s maiden name or matronymic, the first internal consonant of each name, plus the numerical date of birth, two digits indicating the place of birth, either of the two genders, and a computer-generated suffix to prevent duplication. It contains numeric designations of the citizen’s state, district, municipality, neighborhood, and subsection. Unlike in America, Mexicans don’t appear on the voter rolls of multiple jurisdictions.


The code also indicates whether the Mexican citizen was foreign-born, natural-born to Mexican parents abroad, or a naturalized immigrant. Foreign status is important in Mexico, a country tough on illegal immigration and where foreigners are forbidden to interfere at all in politics.

The reverse of the credential-to-vote card contains the individual’s digitized signature and fingerprint, with personal data stored on a magnetic strip similar to those on a credit card. The card is protected with holograms and ultraviolet ink, all sealed in plastic.

In other words, Mexico runs a very tight ship to track its citizens—more than the average American would or probably should ever tolerate—to protect its electoral system from fraud and foreign interference.

If a Mexican citizen shows up at the polling station without showing this form of ID, he can’t vote. All of this shows why Mexico’s electoral process is cleaner than ours in America."

Wow now your using Mexican experts . To defend Trumps claims of fraud Cool from a source that can’t get much farther right .. hea hea kool aid
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scottw 11-08-2020 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1204819)
Wow now your using Mexican experts . To defend Trumps claims of fraud Cool
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"authority speaking on conditions of anonymity"

works for the democrats and New York Times every time ....:hihi:

Pete F. 11-08-2020 06:48 PM

Now the Trumplicans want National Identity Cards?
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wdmso 11-08-2020 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1204820)
"authority speaking on conditions of anonymity"

works for the democrats and New York Times every time ....:hihi:

Anonymity its not the issue but a Mexican fraud expert that’s funny
Maybe he’s an illegal and and that’s why he’s wants Anonymity
And then you got fox host
Levin called on Republican-controlled state legislatures to disregard the results of the 2020 election and send electors to the Electoral College who would vote for Trump...

What an upstanding American
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scottw 11-08-2020 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1204829)
Anonymity its not the issue but a Mexican fraud expert that’s funny
Maybe he’s an illegal and and that’s why he’s wants Anonymity
And then you got fox host
Levin called on Republican-controlled state legislatures to disregard the results of the 2020 election and send electors to the Electoral College who would vote for Trump...

What an upstanding American
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Flailing,,,,,,if there is nothing there then the investigation should show nothing ...right? What are you afraid of?
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scottw 11-08-2020 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1204824)
Now the Trumplicans want National Identity Cards?
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No, just an id to vote. They even do it in Mexico😁
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Pete F. 11-08-2020 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1204835)
No, just an id to vote. They even do it in Mexico😁
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They have national identity cards
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scottw 11-08-2020 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1204836)
They have national identity cards
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and we have many acceptable forms of id

Pete F. 11-08-2020 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1204837)
and we have many acceptable forms of id

Apparently you didn’t read the article you cited
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wdmso 11-09-2020 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1204834)
Flailing,,,,,,if there is nothing there then the investigation should show nothing ...right? What are you afraid of?
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Afraid the sitting president Is attacking our elections suggestions at a scale of a James Bond film . With zero evidence of how this massive fraud was committed just to stay in power and his party and like minded people such as yourself

don’t have an issue with Trump lying or suggesting fraud pre election or post election we all ready know all that.. another shinning example of how your putting man before Nation

Clearly rallies size has poisoned the minds of Trump supporters . A classic example of being in an echo chamber . Nothing exist out side that event
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scottw 11-09-2020 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1204861)

how this massive fraud was committed just to stay in power and his

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don't underestimate the democrats...we've seen that they are quite ruthless in their attempt to stay in or gain power and they have the media and the technocracy at their disposal..

Pete F. 11-09-2020 09:16 AM

According to Trump, Nearly Everyone Is Conspiring To Deny Him His Rightful Victory
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Pete F. 11-10-2020 07:09 AM

Biden is ahead of Trump by 45,000 in Pennsylvania.

Biden now has 12,337 more votes in Georgia than Trump.

The margin between Gore and Bush in Florida in 2000 was 537 votes.

There’s a difference between “clear” and “close.”
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wdmso 11-10-2020 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1204864)
don't underestimate the democrats...we've seen that they are quite ruthless in their attempt to stay in or gain power and they have the media and the technocracy at their disposal..

Classic you have no issues with Republicans still not providing evidence of the biggest crime in American history

You just expect everyone else to show proof it didn’t happen

Like most conservative thinkers you think every ones as gullible as their voters
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