People were burned to death at a Sharpton hate rally. Yet he is revered on the left.

I've said 1,000 times Trump is a morally bankrupt person. But his policies helped the country. Two things can be true at the same time. Just because you're too simple-minded to grasp that, doesn't mean it isn't true.

"you can go to those schools regardless of your religious beliefs unlike on the local level if you’re a Muslim, I don’t think you’re going to get into the local Catholic Protestant or Jewish private school, which are funded and owned by local diocese"

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. NONE. Paul and I went to the same exact catholic high school, there were Jews and Muslims there. Same with the school my son goes to now. There are also openly gay students at my sons catholic high school.

These local schools are not wholly funded by the churches. Parents pay tuition. The church kicks in some to be sure, but not nearly all. Not even close!

You're literally making up whatever horsesh-t fits your opinion, instead of letting actual facts form your opinion.

Because that indefensible position serves his agenda. That's the only reason why.

Of course whatever college his daughter went to, is suitable for public money to be diverted to him to help pay the cost.

Also, there are MANY private high schools that have no religious affiliation whatsoever. So what argument is there to no allow public money to help fund non-religious private schools? None.

Wayne, if your beef is with the religious component, you have zero standing to oppose school choice for private schools that are secular, which are everywhere.

WDMSO, add to the list of things you don't understand, what "separation of church and state" means. It's very clear, what it means is that there is no official state religion. It does NOT mean that government and religion can never intersect. The nation was literally founded on religious principles.

Here's what that means to school choice. If the government said that public money can be used to fund catholic schools but not schools of other religions, THAT would be a violation of church and state. Letting people pick whatever religious school they wanted (or one of MANY private schools that have no religious affiliation) is not a violation of the separation of church and state.

Wrong again.

My favorite is you have people who go to an elected school board screaming they should have more of a say. Pulling their kids to go to a Catholic school. Where they're told the church runs this…..
We all know the church’s record with children.
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because there are are zero recorded instances of public school teachers abusing children. literally zero. in fact,,.there’s data to suggest kids are at much greater risk from teachers in public school than at risk to abuse by priests.

https://go2tutors.com/teachers-more-likely-abuse-kids/

Well crafted article to confuse the reader. Can't draw any inference bc there are no footnotes and the writer tries to confuse the reader. Also the report was written in 2004 when the priest scandals where still coming to light.

The state report doesn't say it was from public school "teachers" yet the article claims "teachers". It also defines sexual misconduct much much broader than what would be considered illegal enough for a priest to get arrested so it is using a far lower bar and comparing apples to oranges. Says 1 in 10 will be subject to sexual "misconduct by an employee" yet later say only about 5% of sexual "abuse" is reported. Switching terms to confuse as misconduct is not abuse. A teacher would get in trouble for hugging a child (sexual misconduct) while a priest won't be arrested for that same action. Finally, there are many many more teachers than priests so need to compare on a per capita basis - again the article was written w/an agenda. Edit - any public school emp. who thinks someone did something inappropriate w/a child HAS to report that person or will be subject to firing at the least and prob. criminal charges - a person working in a parish is not subject to those requirements.


"Considering this, 10% (roughly 4.5 million children) of public school students have experienced some form of sexual misconduct by the time they graduate high school, yet of the 77.4 million Catholics in the United States, .01% reported claims of child sexual abuse (10,667 children). It has also been studied and concluded that about 4.4% of all clerics were known to sexually abuse children between 1946 and 2014, yet it is estimated that roughly 5% of men are pedophiles and those numbers do not even take into account the incidence of female sexual predators at all. These numbers make a harsh case against public school employees."

a counter point article - prob. written by someone with the opposite agenda.

https://www.reddit.com/r/excatholic/...priests_thing/

The “teachers abuse more kids than priests” thing is bull#^&#^&#^&#^&
Sexual Abuse
Someone mentioned this here in another thread, and I was interested because literally today someone on Reddit had parroted this exact talking point to me. (One high-profile example: https://cathnews.co.nz/2011/04/08/se...-than-priests/ )

So I decided to look into it a little.

If you Google anything related to “teachers vs priests abuse” or similar words, you’ll get a bunch of articles by Catholic publications (or by Catholic opinion authors who are rephrasing statements put out by Catholic institutions). Even if you look closely at these pro-Catholic articles though the figures don’t add up:

No empirical data exists that suggests that Catholic clerics sexually abuse minors at a level higher than clerics from other religious traditions or from other groups of men who have ready access and power over children (e.g., school teachers, coaches).

(That’s from the first article that usually comes up when you Google the subject, https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/b...-abuse-fiction)

Which makes it look like the numbers are the same, except that he is referring to men, and over 75% of teachers in public schools are female. Obviously there are female abusers, but they are more rare than male ones, so statistically a public school is still safer.

Or this one:

”The physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-med...use-in-school/

Literally nothing given there to back that up, but even so, it doesn’t mention the fact that there are close to 200 times as many public school employees in the US as there are priests. Even if you are generous and narrow it down to teachers (discounting people like teacher’s aides and support staff who also have access to kids) the number is still around 100 to 1. So even if you are super generous with the numbers and take them at their word then it only comes up even, not 100 times worse like they’re implying.

Edit: I think they might have got the "100 times worse" number from the lady quoted in this article (https://www.edweek.org/leadership/se...inized/2004/03) who literally in the same article admits that her numbers are probably bull#^&#^&#^&#^&

Ms. Shakeshaft acknowledged that the accuracy of such comparisons might be thrown off by any number of factors, including undercounting of youngsters abused by priests. But that uncertainty only underscores the need for better research on the prevalence of sexual misconduct in the schools, she argued.

Most of the other stuff I found was just vague bull#^&#^&#^&#^&, more misleading stats (comparing actual reported clerical abuse rates to general estimates of “percentage of men who are predators”) and more whining about how unfairly they’d been treated by the media.

Anyway my point isn’t that teachers do not abuse kids (we need to be wary of predators in any field that allows access to children), just that Catholics are in love with this #^&#^&#^&#^&ing talking point even though it’s based on a bunch of misleading bull#^&#^&#^&#^&.

Paul I make no claims to the validity of the data I provided. I assume it was published by a pro catholic advocate. My point was that sexual abuse is also a thing in public schools. Pete will never concede that because he's not interested in truth, only in serving The Narrative.

WDMSO said very explicitly that schools like Notre Dame High, our alma mater, are funded only by the church and that they don't let non-catholics attend.

I'm just trying to inject a tiny sliver of truth.

I'm Catholic, and I'm not in love with anything related to pedophilia. But I don't like it when the left only talks about abuse at the hands of priests. That's done to serve an agenda. And that's not defending the priests, lock them up for life. But let's also discuss abuse that happens at the hands of public school teachers, doctors, and other religions. If you follow the media, you'd assume it's only a Catholic problem. It's a larger societal problem.

My company writes a lot of professional liability insurance for hospitals, nursing homes, and public schools. Sex abuse claims are non-stop.

every profession has issues w/abuse. The reason people have a huge problem with churches is that they hid it and claim to represent a higher authority and morals.

I am not Catholic (but am Christian) and while required to take religion class was never made to feel "less than" anyone in class. We all had to lead a prayer when it was our turn (can't remember if it was the beginning of the day or in religious class??) and I would either say the lord's prayer or give thanks for different things, etc. like I would do at a Thanksgiving meal.

Agreed the church problem was twofold, the actual abuse (obviously) and also covering it up. No question those are both massive scandals which the church has to answer for. Did other religions, and other professions, NOT cover it up in the 1960s and 1970s like the Catholic church did? I don't know.

I'm glad you never felt ostracized for not being Catholic, while at catholic school. My son's school (ST Paul in Bristol) has a diverse group of students, including kids from the LGBTQ community.

Did you know that George Logan, who ran unsuccessfully for Congress in Connecticut's 5th congressional district, went to ND? Class of 1987. My brother is friendly with him.

Florida, DeSantis yank billions in investments from 'woke' BlackRock over ESG investing

ESG analysis has become an increasingly important part of the investment process. For investment professionals, a key motivation in the practice of considering environmental, social, and governance (ESG) issues as part of their financial analysis is to gain a fuller understanding of the companies in which they invest.


Ron playing the woke card hard for hi 2024 run and his need to out Trump Trump to woo the far right primary voters

and of course other Red states have jumped on the bandwagon fighting a mythic battle with Taxpayers money and retirement funds LOL

Texas Fought Against ESG. Here’s What It Cost analyzed data from the first eight months of the law and estimated that Texas cities will pay an additional $303 million to $532 million in interest on $32 billion in bonds.
https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/...-what-it-cost/

Would your kids even tell you if they’d been abused?

In public education they are very aware of child abuse and have strong programs regarding it.

In the Catholic Church/school world just whom among the many clergy administrators decides how to cover it up this time?

Earlier this year, the Southern Baptist Convention acknowledged they spent years protecting over 700 ministers and church workers who were credibly accused of sexual abuse. I’m sure they found them all, didn’t they?

2nd largest Christian denomination in the U.S—and nobody is discussing it.
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Well if you say so, that's good enough for me!! Youve never been caught fabricating ANYTING.

Poor victim
Never mind the continual half truths you post and believe

What was the reason you claim to have gotten out of education?
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You have a very interesting take on what it means to be a victim Pete.

"What was the reason you claim to have gotten out of education?"

"Claim"?

Loved the kids, despised the effect of the union, didn't much care for the parents, who in the city I taught were mostly irresponsible deadbeats. And if I'm being honest, money was part of the reason. I'd love to teach math at a tiny catholic school after my kids are out of college though. A place where I could just teach and not spend half my time being a disciplinarian/social worker.

Former president Donald Trump expressed solidarity with the mob that attacked the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, sending a video of support to a fundraising event Thursday night hosted by a group called the Patriot Freedom Project that is supporting families of those being prosecuted by the government.

But Jim’s upset about teachers and their union who the real threat towards His and Trumps and his supporters vision of America
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When the GOP runs without an agenda, when the GOP runs unqualified extreme candidates, when the GOP can’t surf the expected red wave and their savior is having lunch with anti semitics and white supremacy leaders; while they completely underestimate how effective the Biden administration has been I wonder what their plan is for 24.

Jim and Faux News will of course set their course and have the answers. America first and praise for the likes of Putin and Hilter will serve them well with the Trump base, but most Americans I think aren’t to happy with the GOP party, they just don’t represent the majority of this country, but they have always been the party of minority rule.

Unless it’s tax cuts the GOP calls any legislation bad ..

Seeing the haven’t passed or I should say had many bills signed by Republican presidents

But all bill are not created equal
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Hitler? yes that’s me, i’m a nazi sympathizer, me who’s mom has the maiden name “Greenspun.”. bob, when you go to deranged dishonest extremes, you’re carrying a sign that says “i can’t respond to what he’s saying, so i’m going to make up gibberish and pretend he said things he never came close to saying.”

if the gop is a fringe party ( out of touch with a majority of americans) PLEASE explain why the gop has a healthy majority of state governorships and state legislatures. and has for years.

Please explain that. I’ll wait.

I'm responding to the thread and I'm pretty sure Trump is a 24 candidate, so go unravel your panties and take a breath.

you responded dishonestly to the thread. The gop are nazi sympathizers? again, that’s what one says when one knows that can’t around to the actual issues.

https://www.quorum.us/data-driven-in...slatures-blog/

Jim no news on your TV other than Faux News channel, so I guess you missed the fact Trump's (yeah 24 candidate) recent lunch guess was just booted from Twitter for saying “I like Hitler,” “I love Jewish people, but I also love Nazis,” and, “I see good things about Hitler".

Panties are tight Jim they are cutting off blood flow to your brain.

i watch CNN and MSNBC as much as i watch fox.

trumps lunch guest admitted Trump didnt appear to know who he was. Kanye west asked trump if this guy could join he and trump, trump said yes. he didn’t have any way to do a background check on the guy on the spot. As far as i know, there’s no evidence that trump knew who the guy was. no one had heard of this guy until this broke. he wasn’t well know.

Doesnt trump have enough actual, irrefutable flaws to satisfy you? why do you have to make stuff up?

seems like you got distorted information from your news source on this one. but i’m the idiot for watching fox.

al sharpton was invited to obama’s white house dozens and dozens of times. that’s public information. He’s a rabid racist and liar who has caused people to die at his rallies. . But that’s ok! Right?

Well for starters, those Hitler comments were from West, who Trump knows very well and so what Trump looses in 2020 and he magically becomes an ordinary citizen who can sit down with anyone who might heap praise on him? Trump is well aware, or at least he should be as a candidate for 2024, optics of everything you do will be used against you. Well maybe his defense is he is a fing idiot.

if trump is personally responsible for every word spoken by every person he knows, fine. Apply that same standard to biden who has a long close history with al sharpton. .

trump “should be” well aware of the personal beliefs of every single person he meets? he shouldn’t sit down with anyone he hasn’t done a background check on?

fine. explain why every democrat presidential
candidate in the last 25 years has missed al sharptons ring. and explain why that’s not a problem
for you.

answer: but trump!!!

bob i can’t attach pics with my phone. but you can google pics of biden being chummy with Al Sharpton, Harvey Weinstein, etc. how many would
it take before your day there’s a problem there?

Trump wants to suspend the constitution and reinstate him to power and Maga cowards support him

but but Hunters laptop
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Six days after sexual harassment allegations were originally made against Harvey Weinstein, former Vice President Joe Biden expressed his disgust with the Hollywood executive and Democratic megadonor.

Since photos equal guilt

Funny video:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ea75e6d260c2e5

Biden to visit another semiconductor plant to celebrate the CHIPS Act


In the four months since he signed the Chips and Science Act of 2022 into law, President Biden has made a habit of visiting semiconductor plants — or plants to be — to tout the effects of the law.

Recent stops have included the groundbreaking of an Intel (INTC) facility in Ohio and a Micron (MU) plant in upstate New York. On Tuesday, the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) will host the president as it unveils an upgrade of its capabilities in Phoenix and announce plans to build a second facility nearby.





Foxconn mostly abandons $10 billion Wisconsin project touted by Trump
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Another example of hot air VS actual legislation

The last Trump backed and wacky under qualified GOP candidate is shown the door and now Manchin can’t hold legislation hostage.

WHAT Trump wasn't being audited? I'm curious RR, Jim, Scott and the entire MAGA universe; how do you feel when a guy making millions pays $750 two years and $0 a third? Are there that many Americans so stupid they can't see this guy for what he is, I still see the Trump 2024 stickers on Trucks and the gullible keep sending him money. Millions in supposed charitable donations, without one piece of documentation and one IRS agent only assigned to his account; any doubt why the budget for the IRS needed to be increased.

the gop is selling the mythical 87 thousand IRS agents as Democrats going after regular Americans …

But also selling Jan 6th never happened and Trumps been framed

Yet they refuse to condemn tax fraud and remain silent on Trumps and other’s failures to pay taxes . By suggesting it’s not illegal so STFU.
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funny just read the GOP is once again running to the defence of trump Using the excuse of some how it risks the privacy of of every american calling it a political new weapon! really Bidens Tax returns are out there in the open Even Hunters Are

But Republicans want us to believe seeing Trump's Tax returns is a New Political weapon... I guess wanting transparency on people's business ties and loans owned suddenly isn't a national security priority to the GOP ..

to give an example If you want a security clearance at any level. In the us government Just the Amount of Debt you have is Huge in considering if you get a clearance or you don't... but the POTUS who has access to all our secrets the GOP say Nah we dont need to know who he owes or were he gets his loans



"Ways and Means Democrats are unleashing a dangerous new political weapon that reaches far beyond President Trump, and jeopardizes the privacy of every American," Brady said in a statement last week. "Going forward, partisans in Congress have nearly unlimited power to target political enemies by obtaining and making public their private tax returns to embarrass and destroy them."

Brady added that releasing confidential records wouldn't be limited to public officials, but potentially private citizens, businesses, labor leaders and even Supreme Court justices.

Yep all conspiracy theorists

You must me wrong. He told us hundreds of times he couldn't release his taxes bc he was being audited?

"how do you feel when a guy making millions pays $750 two years and $0 a third? "

Here's how I feel. If he obeyed the law, big whoop. If he broke the law, arrest him.

The democrats controlled the show for the last 2 years. If they wanted to change the tax code, why didn't they?

" still see the Trump 2024 stickers on Trucks and the gullible keep sending him money. Millions in supposed charitable donations, without one piece of documentation and one IRS agent only assigned to his account; any doubt why the budget for the IRS needed to be increased"

You're too stupid to see it. Nobody gives him money because they think he's a swell guy. The give him money, because unlike you, they're rational and honest enough to remember that life for most Americans was easier under Trump than it was under Obama, and easier than it is now.

GS, if you worked for a huge company, would you rather have a CEO who was awesome at his job but a pr*ck in his personal life, or a nice guy who couldn't get anything right?

I'm old enough to remember the Bill Clinton years, when the left said to ignore the personal behavior, and focus on public policy. That made sense to me then, it makes sense to me now.

The left only care about ethics when there an immoral republican in the spotlight.

You really are drunk on the Trump cult messaging, you really belief he was awesome at his job, that’s a sad statement in and of itself. Not surprising from you, it’s your MO, so if Trump wins the primaries I assume he gets your vote.

Wonder why he didn’t want his taxes audited…….was his good friend or lover financing him…..

Donald Trump failed to disclose a $19.8 million loan from a company with ties to North Korea while he was president, Forbes reported Sunday, citing documents uncovered by the New York attorney general’s office.
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he obeyed the law, big whoop. If he broke the law, arrest him.

That’s the party line until he’s investigated or charged than it’s a witch hunt lol
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