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Pete F. 01-22-2022 06:33 PM

The war on drugs started when I was in high school and that was a long time ago, it’s cost a trillion dollars and we spend 3+billion a year to keep people in prison for drug offenses.
Do you see that we’re winning, I don’t

Contrary to popular belief spending on police goes up every year and the results don’t improve.

It’s estimated that there’s 400 million guns owned by Americans and guns have been selling at a rate of over a million a month

Citizens United was 12 years ago today. It is the Patient Zero for most of our modern problems.

Twelve years ago the Supreme Court decided corporations are people under the First Amendment.

Today, sold-out politicians block progress on all fronts to appease their corporate donors.

Billionaire wealth - all time high, up 70% since the pandemic

Corporate profits - all time high

Global inequality - highest in over 100 years

Fifty percent of the U.S. workforce earned less than $35,000 in 2019, according to the Social Security Administration.

Keep the big picture in mind whenever people say that giving workers a raise causes problems.

The increase in violent crime is largely in the items above and no it doesn’t have a simple answer
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PaulS 01-22-2022 06:46 PM

Crime started to go down in New York in 1990. Giuliani was elected mayor and started the broken window policy in 1994. Crime continued to go down until recently even though New York stopped the Broken Window policy years ago.
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Jim in CT 01-22-2022 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1221171)
Crime started to go down in New York in 1990. Giuliani was elected mayor and started the broken window policy in 1994. Crime continued to go down until recently even though New York stopped the Broken Window policy years ago.
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ask teachers, if you want order in the classroom, is it better to be strict, or better to be soft? it’s really that simple.
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scottw 01-23-2022 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221170)

Today, sold-out politicians block progress on all fronts to appease their corporate donors.

Billionaire wealth - all time high, up 70% since the pandemic

Corporate profits - all time high

Global inequality - highest in over 100 years



Keep the big picture in mind......


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hey pete...have you noticed that the more these big corporations and billionaires subscribe to the leftist agenda the bigger and more monopolistic they get? the more they donate to democrats and push leftist policies....I guess at some point they will become altruistic and begin dispersing all of their accumulated billions and trillions to the world to solve the global inequality problem

Jim in CT 01-23-2022 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1221187)
hey pete...have you noticed that the more these big corporations and billionaires subscribe to the leftist agenda the bigger and more monopolistic they get? the more they donate to democrats and push leftist policies....I guess at some point they will become altruistic and begin dispersing all of their accumulated billions and trillions to the world to solve the global inequality problem

pete complains about the influence of billionaire wealth, but recently, he bragged that a huge majority of uber wealthy are democrats.

which is it, pete? is it a good thing that the uber wealthy lean left, or bad?

talk about wanting to have it both ways.

as to the rich getting richer…what do you expect with a massive stock run up than spans 12 years? how would you prevent the wealthy from benefiting from that? would you pass a law, that says “once your net worth exceeds this threshold, you must keep all your money in an account that pays 0% interest”?
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Pete F. 01-23-2022 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1221187)
hey pete...have you noticed that the more these big corporations and billionaires subscribe to the leftist agenda the bigger and more monopolistic they get? the more they donate to democrats and push leftist policies....I guess at some point they will become altruistic and begin dispersing all of their accumulated billions and trillions to the world to solve the global inequality problem

The increase in violent crime is largely in the items above and no it doesn’t have a simple answer
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Pete F. 01-23-2022 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221188)
pete complains about the influence of billionaire wealth, but recently, he bragged that a huge majority of uber wealthy are democrats.

which is it, pete? is it a good thing that the uber wealthy lean left, or bad?

talk about wanting to have it both ways.

as to the rich getting richer…what do you expect with a massive stock run up than spans 12 years? how would you prevent the wealthy from benefiting from that? would you pass a law, that says “once your net worth exceeds this threshold, you must keep all your money in an account that pays 0% interest”?
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The increase in violent crime is largely in the items above and no it doesn’t have a simple answer
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Jim in CT 01-23-2022 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221193)
The increase in violent crime is largely in the items above and no it doesn’t have a simple answer
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nowhere near answering the question i asked.

pete, is it a good thing or a bad thing, that ( as you correctly pointed out), the uber wealthy are mostly democrats?
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scottw 01-23-2022 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221198)
nowhere near answering the question i asked.

pete, is it a good thing or a bad thing, that ( as you correctly pointed out), the uber wealthy are mostly democrats?
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cutting and pasting himself now....this is funny

Jim in CT 01-23-2022 09:38 AM

Pete ( one day): the wealthy are largely democrat voters. that means the democrat party is right.

Pete ( another day): the wealthy are evil and corrupt and their increased wealth is ruining life. that means the democrat party is right.

no matter what happens, you’ll conclude the democrat party is right. Whether blue states thrive or fail, it means liberalism is better. Whether red states thrive or fail, it means liberalism is better. Whether liberal policies are shown to succeed or fail, liberalism
is better. Whether conservative policies thrive or fail, it means liberalism is better.

the state of CT applied some of the highest state taxes in the country, to some of the highest incomes in the country. That means we gave the state a ton of money. The liberals spent all that. Then the liberals took jillions of dollars from the casinos, and they spent all that. Then the liberals borrowed tens of thousands of dollars from every human being in the state, and they spent all that. What they created with all that spending, is a landscape so difficult to afford, that middle
class people are leaving.

the conclusion of all of you? red states did it. the people
running CT didn’t do anything stupid, short sighted, corrupt, or reckless. Nope. Poor red states did it all.

The solution? Elect more liberals to raise taxes and spend more.

Brilliant.

You are, literally, impervious to results.

I was a registered democrat. Then, i saw that pure liberalism doesn’t work. So i changed my mind.




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Pete F. 01-23-2022 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221198)
nowhere near answering the question i asked.

pete, is it a good thing or a bad thing, that ( as you correctly pointed out), the uber wealthy are mostly democrats?
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As I posted
There’s a lot of things driving the increase in crime and no it’s not just one.
As usual you push it to your normal narrative
Progressive bad
Regressive good
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Jim in CT 01-23-2022 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221201)
As I posted
There’s a lot of things driving the increase in crime and no it’s not just one.
As usual you push it to your normal narrative
Progressive bad
Regressive good
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not asking about crime. i’m asking if it’s a good thing or a bad thing, that the uber wealthy are heavily democrat?

why are you so determined to avoid answering?

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Jim in CT 01-23-2022 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221201)
As I posted

As usual you push it to your normal narrative
Progressive bad
Regressive good
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I’ve said here a thousand times, that i think liberals are 100% correct on some big issues.

Again, why don’t you show us all that i’m the thoughtless zealot, and you are the one capable of critical
thinking, that you’re the one who can think for himself…

Tell us the big issues on which you think liberals are wrong, and conservatives are right. Go ahead.
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Pete F. 01-23-2022 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221202)
not asking about crime. i’m asking if it’s a good thing or a bad thing, that the uber wealthy are heavily democrat?

why are you so determined to avoid answering?

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First because that’s not what I said
I stated and the statistics back it up, that areas that voted democratic are better educated and produce most of the gdp.

I know that bothers your view of Donald Trump as the Almighty and Ron DeSantis as the prosperity-gospel pastor of Floriduh
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Pete F. 01-23-2022 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221204)
I’ve said here a thousand times, that i think liberals are 100% correct on some big issues.

Again, why don’t you show us all that i’m the thoughtless zealot, and you are the one capable of critical
thinking, that you’re the one who can think for himself…

Tell us the big issues on which you think liberals are wrong, and conservatives are right. Go ahead.
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Right after you get your badge
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Jim in CT 01-23-2022 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221206)
First because that’s not what I said
I stated and the statistics back it up, that areas that voted democratic are better educated and produce most of the gdp.

I know that bothers your view of Donald Trump as the Almighty and Ron DeSantis as the prosperity-gospel pastor of Floriduh
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Jim: Trump is a morally bankrupt reptile.

Pete: Jim thinks Trump is the Almighty.

you can’t respond to what anyone actually says, Pete. Do you pretend we’re saying something we never came close to saying.

It’s boring and cowardly. And a constant liberal tactic.

The uber wealthy in this country, today, heavily vote democrat. I’m fine with that. You’re fine with it when it suits you, you deny it when it doesn’t suit yiu.
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PaulS 01-23-2022 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221177)
ask teachers, if you want order in the classroom, is it better to be strict, or better to be soft? it’s really that simple.
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So why did crime start to go down across the whole US 4-5 years before Guiliani was elected Mayor of NY?

PaulS 01-23-2022 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221193)
The increase in violent crime is largely in the items above and no it doesn’t have a simple answer
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No, It is bc Guiliani is no longer mayor of NYC>

detbuch 01-23-2022 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221206)
First because that’s not what I said
I stated and the statistics back it up, that areas that voted democratic are better educated and produce most of the gdp.
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Are the blacks in the inner cities of "areas" that vote Democrat better educated and produce most of the gdp?

PaulS 01-23-2022 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221206)
First because that’s not what I said
I stated and the statistics back it up, that areas that voted democratic are better educated and produce most of the gdp.

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Political affiliation of those R states matches up pretty good with the less educated and lower earnings/lesser GDP per capita.

Pete F. 01-23-2022 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221208)
Jim: Trump is a morally bankrupt reptile.

Pete: Jim thinks Trump is the Almighty.

you can’t respond to what anyone actually says, Pete. Do you pretend we’re saying something we never came close to saying.

It’s boring and cowardly. And a constant liberal tactic.

The uber wealthy in this country, today, heavily vote democrat. I’m fine with that. You’re fine with it when it suits you, you deny it when it doesn’t suit yiu.
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You have repeatedly said that Trump was the only one that could do a number of things and complained that I refuse to shower him with praise and that he’s really not so bad, you’d work for him.
Nothing better than an authoritarian leader for you, and morals don’t matter.
Hypocrite much?

Just who are these “Uber” wealthy?
I’ve taken an Uber, does that make me one?

If you’re talking about the Billionaire class, you’re just plain lying.
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detbuch 01-23-2022 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1221210)
So why did crime start to go down across the whole US 4-5 years before Guiliani was elected Mayor of NY?

From National Bureau of Economic research:
"During the 1990s, crime rates in New York City dropped dramatically, even more than in the United States as a whole. Violent crime declined by more than 56 percent in the City, compared to about 28 percent in the nation as whole. Property crimes tumbled by about 65 percent, but fell only 26 percent nationally."

Giuliani was mayor most of those years.

Pete F. 01-23-2022 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221177)
ask teachers, if you want order in the classroom, is it better to be strict, or better to be soft? it’s really that simple.
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I can see why you’re no longer teaching.
That’s the same mindset that says the National Guard qualified to teach.
Never had a teacher or coach who was strict or soft that was good at it.

And
Congratulations to Jimmy Garoppolo on replacing Dr Fauci as Aaron Rodgers’ least favorite Italian
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PaulS 01-23-2022 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1221215)
From National Bureau of Economic research:
"During the 1990s, crime rates in New York City dropped dramatically, even more than in the United States as a whole. Violent crime declined by more than 56 percent in the City, compared to about 28 percent in the nation as whole. Property crimes tumbled by about 65 percent, but fell only 26 percent nationally."

Giuliani was mayor most of those years.

Trend started before Giuliani

Jim in CT 01-23-2022 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221214)
You have repeatedly said that Trump was the only one that could do a number of things and complained that I refuse to shower him with praise and that he’s really not so bad, you’d work for him.
Nothing better than an authoritarian leader for you, and morals don’t matter.
Hypocrite much?

Just who are these “Uber” wealthy?
I’ve taken an Uber, does that make me one?

If you’re talking about the Billionaire class, you’re just plain lying.
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trump is a horrible person. but he has some productive accomplishments.

two things can be true at the same
time.
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Jim in CT 01-23-2022 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1221218)
Trend started before Giuliani

ok. contrary to what most people
think, you’re right, Rudy didn’t do anything to reduce violent crime
i’m new york city. stop and frisk didn’t do anything, because he’s a republican.
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PaulS 01-23-2022 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221220)
ok. contrary to what most people
think, you’re right, Rudy didn’t do anything to reduce violent crime
i’m new york city. stop and frisk didn’t do anything, because he’s a republican.
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Never said he didn't have any impact. The decr. was as a result of numerous things done in numerous places and took place all across the US.

Was the Fox article a follow up to one they did the year before discussing how the murder rate was the highest it has been in 20 years and increased 30% (which may have been one of the largest increases in our history)?

As an actuary would you only look at the smaller 2021 increase while ignoring the huge 30% increase in 2020?

Jim in CT 01-23-2022 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1221221)
Never said he didn't have any impact. The decr. was as a result of numerous things done in numerous places and took place all across the US.

Was the Fox article a follow up to one they did the year before discussing how the murder rate was the highest it has been in 20 years and increased 30% (which may have been one of the largest increases in our history)?

As an actuary would you only look at the smaller 2021 increase while ignoring the huge 30% increase in 2020?

no, i wouldn’t only look at one year. we started demonizing cops, and coddling criminals, before biden took office
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PaulS 01-23-2022 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221223)
no, i wouldn’t only look at one year. we started demonizing cops, and coddling criminals, before biden took office
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I know, look at what happened on 1/6 and they way cops where treated.

So it appears Fox didn't do an article last year when we had one of the largest increases in recent history (at least 30 years).

Jim in CT 01-23-2022 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1221224)
I know, look at what happened on 1/6 and they way cops where treated.

So it appears Fox didn't do an article last year when we had one of the largest increases in recent history (at least 30 years).

the whole
right is blaming the capital
police? that’s what you’re saying?

one bad cop, with a demonstrated history of being stupid with his gun, shot a tiny woman to death with no warning, and i don’t see an argument that she posed an immediate lethal threat to anyone. the cop who killed her, testified he couldn’t see her hands.
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