The Brits interal probe found their intel was also a sham, and I've not seen the Russians come up with anything besides hot air. You're telling me Russia has proof Saddam is plotting to attack the US yet they will oppose 100% us doing anything about it?

Clinton...Are you serious? So we should go to war on intel that's years old?

The quote is from a NY Times op-ed piece Kerry wrote at the time of the vote.

-spence

He is right spence, at least thats what CNN said, a few weeks back, they had a headline that Putin warned the US that Sadaam was planning an attack but still refused to support our invasion. I tried to do a search for the link but came up empty.
Also, see below, this is why I get so confused when many of you state the Bush "mis-led" the nation. Iraq was at the top of the US agenda. I posted a link to the whole article. I'm sure you'll dismiss this as republican bs but its worth a read.

The president's warnings are firm. "If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." The stakes, he says, could not be higher. "Some day, some way, I guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal."

These are the words not of President George W. Bush in September 2002 but of President Bill Clinton on February 18, 1998. Clinton was speaking at
the Pentagon, after the Joint Chiefs and other top national security advisers had briefed him on U.S. military readiness. The televised speech followed a month-long build-up of U.S. troops and equipment in the Persian Gulf. And it won applause from leading Democrats on Capitol Hill.

Here is the whole article: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...1/607rkunu.asp

John Kerry is no Bill Clinton


thank god

it isn't that I adore Kerry it is how little "bad" the anti Kerry folks really have on him.

we'll see in November won't we ?

Funny how they yanked the Swift Boats ad for being a total LIE and yet the Republicans have yet to openly say that it was a lie, sounds like someone in Alexandria, Virginia dosen't want their money connected. :D

Funny how they yanked the Swift Boats ad for being a total LIE and yet the Republicans have yet to openly say that it was a lie, sounds like someone in Alexandria, Virginia dosen't want their money connected

How was the ad a lie? The vets that served with Kerry have the right to tell thier side of the story and how they view Kerry and his record in Vietnam . Just like the ones Kerry is using to aid his campaign. Its no differnet

yep Skippy, a right.

doesn't mean it is truth. sometimes non truths are lies.

but then again most people don't want to bel;ieve bad shiite unless it concerns their enemies.

Do a little objective reading on the subject and you'll see that most if not all the allegations don't stand up to scuitiny. Some of the SwiftVets are saying things that directly conflict with military records.

Frankly I believe Kerry will come out from this stronger.

-spence

The "medic" that said he worked on Kerry never actually did.
His name wasn't on any of the medical documents.
Funny how that happens...

Maybe he changed his name? :rolleyes:

Another of the "vets" openly admitted to saying what someone else told him to say about Kerry, yet again, Alexandria, VA influence.

Kerry-Swift Boats
 

Don't forget, Kerry has his Band Of Brothers too!!!

Kerry-Swift Boats
 

Kerry's stories collide

Ill stick with W's band of brothers thank you!

Big oil comapnies, big energy companies, big drug companies, neo-con chickenhawks...

oh wait, were you talking about different brothers :laughs:

-spence

Big oil comapnies, big energy companies, big drug companies, neo-con chickenhawks...

Rather be tied to that than the cronies that support kerry! :laughs:

Oh, you must mean these cronies :hihi:

General John M. Shalikashvili (United States Army, Retired)
Admiral Stansfield Turner (United States Navy, Retired)
General Johnnie E. Wilson (United States Army, Retired)
Lieutenant General Edward D. Baca (United States Army, Retired)
Lieutenant General Daniel W. Christman (United States Army, Retired)
General Wesley K. Clark (United States Army, Retired)
Admiral William J. Crowe (United States Navy, Retired)
Vice Admiral Lee F. Gunn (United States Navy, Retired)
General Joseph Hoar (United States Marine Corps, Retired)
Lieutenant General Claudia J. Kennedy (United States Army, Retired)
Lieutenant General Donald Kerrick (United States Air Force, Retired)
General Merrill “Tony” A. McPeak (United States Air Force, Retired)

Boston, MA - In an unprecedented display of support from the military establishment, twelve retired generals and admirals endorsed John Kerry for president of the United States on Wednesday. These distinguished flag officers join the ranks of tens of thousands of veterans – including over 500 veteran delegates in Boston - who want a stronger, more secure America and their fellow veteran John Kerry to be the next Commander-in-Chief.

"who want a stronger, more secure America "

- In the Senate, Kerry has voted for almost every cut in defense and Intelligence. no? I dont get this stuff

Completely false claim purported by the Bush spindoctors. The truth is Kerry has voted for trillions in defense spending. Unlike many democracts Kerry is a budget hawk, and as such he is willing to vote against Defense appropriations bills that are wasteful, and there is a lot of pork in the defense industry.

The downsizing of the US military really began under the first Bush Administration in 1988. Many of the same bills the Bush Admin charges Kerry voted against were also not supported by #^&#^&#^&#^& Cheney!

For those who think Kerry would be a wimp as President, do you really think hardcore military types like the gents named above would support him if they thought that was the case?

Clinton was an appeaser for sure, but Kerry isn't Clinton and we are living in a changed world. 9/11 was a wake up call for the World, not just the Republican party.

-spence

some people don't "get it" Jimmy........
you are now an enlightened member of that group.

maybe your guys will get OBL before the election. maybe not.

That is probably the only thing that will save you

:laughs:

Spence

"For those who think Kerry would be a wimp as President, do you really think hardcore military types like the gents named above would support him if they thought that was the case?"


I look at this with the same scrutiny you view the swift boats vets. I can guarantee they're all democrats and I believe they are politically motivated.
I guess its hopeless.

Of course it's politically motivated, but I'd bet money they are not all democrats. I happen to be a registered republican, but I'm voting for Kerry because I think he's a better choice than Bush.

There is a huge difference between the SwiftVets and the retired Generals supporting Kerry.

The SwiftVets are motivated by a 30 year old rage focused on a single person. Their claims have largely been debunked or countered sufficiently for most people. They are the GOP's Michael Moore. The SwiftVets are obcessed with the legitimacy of a Purple Heart from 1968 etc...

The Brass supporting Kerry are motivatied by a current dissatisfaction with the present Administration. Their issues are real and shared by at least half of the country. They are concerned with troops being killed in Najaf today.

-spence

They are the GOP's Michael Moore

Nice try but thats pretty far fetched :smash:

Nice try :confused: nice try :confused: :confused:

If you can't see the obvious parallel, I can't help ya :wall:

-spence

Kerry-Swift Boats
 

Another thing spence, check the names real close. They are all
DEMOCRATS. The one's trying to take away your rights.

Re: Kerry-Swift Boats
 

What in the sam hill does this mean? And how do you know they are Dems from their name?

-spence

Who would OBL vote for?

Who would OBL vote for?

Kerry for sure....Oh yea....if Kerry were president Saddam would still be in power murdering and raping iraq's.....not to mention harboring terroists....Who do you think Osama would choose? A guy who takes action and gets #^&#^&#^&#^& done or a UN loving fruicake!?:laughs:

Give us a break Skippy. If Kerry was president we would at least still be trying to get in there with (and this is the important part) THE REST OF THE GODDAM WORLD

I have to admit it bothers me when you friggin republican lovers pull this crap.

Kerry would have been far more diplomatic.

By the way Skippy. How many Iraqi's are dead ? 30,000 since the second incursion ?

who is murdering who ?

i am happy that my first desire isn't to kill like many of you folks

Oh please Buddy....we have ****** with the UN people for god knows how long....Maybe in another 10 years they might comply and stop harboring terrisits and hiding WMD's ( and yes the world belived they had them) You want to put this countrys safety in the hands of the UN then go right ahead...that scares the #^&#^&#^&#^& outta me...I didnt realize the US went into iraq to murder civialians either....I love how you liberals try to be all humantiaran and such...but i i never heard a god damn word when saddam was killing his people of when clinton bombed the #^&#^&#^&#^& out of serbia....Not one word from you guys...the hatred and willingness to call bush a murder is down right disgusting, if anything hes being more humanitarion than you fake liberals by saying enough is enough and is accually doing something about it...talk is cheapp and i like a president who gets things done. So all you lefties can go protest and smoke dope and pretend that electing kerry is gonna make things safer....Nothing could be further than the truth...you cant negotate with terrosts because they want us all dead and thats the bottom line...Drop bombs on them and **** the un if they dont like it!

lose the f-bombs, por favor

Skippy,

I see tact and diplomacy aren't something you understand.

I am not a Democrat and I am not a leftie. I am a non-partisan voter and have as much of a right to an opinion as anyone.

I didn't say BUSH murdered. Get your facts straight

and I am not your "buddy".

I could be if you had some human qualities but I don't see them.

enjoy the next few months and if your hero (our president) still has a job on Pennsylvania Avenue come January you can keep rooting for them to hurl their bombs.

:laughs:

and another thing Skip :laughs: , don't think for one second that I don't realize we should vaporize AQ, Al Sadir, etc. because they are absolutely zealots and are a BUNCH OF MURDERERS THEMSELVES that we ALL deplore.

The Republican Party is lucky that the Democrats are a bunch of crack pots themselves. It's a shame. Most of them are fruitcakes and embarrassingly inept.
But America needs to show the rest of the world that we
AS A MAJORITY have decided that the conduct of the Bush Administration, in regards to Iraq, was NOT THE WAY a nation flexes it's muscles. The UN vote was the law and the U .S. did not abide by it.

For christskaes gentlemen. The UN is in our own country and we believe we have the BEST, MOST COORDINATED, CAPABLE armed forces in the world.

Unfortunately top management is responsible for it's actions. We voted to go and everyones crying about the people who didn't agree with the way the legislation was written.

Please don't play that Serbia card. Bush inherited a well executed operation.

and I am not your "buddy".

Hey we finally agree on something:laughs: