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Flaptail

08-19-2005 10:34 AM

%$%$%$%$ like this is why I prefer to fish alone. :doh:

DZ	08-19-2005 01:00 PM

Just a few thoughts about this thread:

We were all FNGs (googans) in the past.

Days of today will be someone's "old days" eventually.

You may think your spot is a secret – but you can be sure someone knows about it. They just turn around when they see you there.

For Flap: Amen - "I talk to myself while I fish – most times it’s the only company I want."

Excerpted from "The Snowstorm Blitz":
"Guys in the know who kept quiet were often bailing bass in relative obscurity. You tried to avoid crowds of anglers, kept a low profile and above all, didn’t talk.
It was considered an act of courtesy to not ask another angler where he caught his fish. If you did, you deserved a lie.”

For #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&: Where are you catching your fish? I know – "here and there"

Have a great weekend everyone.

DZ

eelman

08-19-2005 02:17 PM

Excerpted from "The Snowstorm Blitz":
"Guys in the know who kept quiet were often bailing bass in relative obscurity. You tried to avoid crowds of anglers, kept a low profile and above all, didn’t talk.
It was considered an act of courtesy to not ask another angler where he caught his fish. If you did, you deserved a lie.”

DZ[/QUOTE]

Now that pumps me up!! Awesome!

bassmaster

08-19-2005 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flaptail

%$%$%$%$ like this is why I prefer to fish alone. :doh:

then stop callin me U feak :hidin:

Flaptail

08-19-2005 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bassmaster

then stop callin me U feak :hidin:

Excuse me but who really calls who? :doh:

Nebe	08-19-2005 07:22 PM

If i fished with him i'd call him sweet phart :hihi:

I gotta get up there this fall some how some way.

bassmaster

08-20-2005 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Excuse me but who really calls who? :doh:

hey u old phart call me

piemma

08-20-2005 07:28 AM

Well, the old guard hadn't lost it last night. Old #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& and I had 11 fish between 15 and 21 lbs. All on eels in SoCo RI. :jump:

JoeP	08-20-2005 08:14 AM

Advance warning: This is meant in jest as a joke, take no offense.

Boy, while the "old guard" guys in here like to say how secretive and close-to-the vest they are, they sure like to post their successes all over the place - even in the PROJO - :jester:

Again -- just bustin.

piemma

08-20-2005 08:28 AM

Come on Joe, I even told you were we got the fish...SoCo RI. How much more open can I be? :cputin: :uhuh: :wave:

tlapinski

08-20-2005 08:44 AM

Here's a quick question, what do you consider "the old guard"? I'm 26, but I have been fishing for close to 20 years of my life. When I started out way back when, I fished just about as hard as I do now. Believe it or not, I was out all night long with my dad pounding the surf with eels and plugs from May into December. Ask my mom, it lead to my parent's divorce. I started out a little green as we all do, and I made my share of mistakes, but I learned from them. My dad would push me out of the truck with a small bucket of eels, conventional rod in hand, his old waders on me pulled up and cinched tight with an old belt, and drive down the beach until I couldn't see him any more. Before he left, he would tell me to fish until we met in the middle. I was out there learning the jetty rotation, how to fish plugs/jigs/eels/etc..., learning to read the beach, and so on before I sprouted my first short and curly.

Don't get so caught up on the age thing. Pre-judging us "young guys" does nothing more than make you look the fool. I know just as many, if not more, older bad seeds than I do young guys. I'm proud to be a part of the crew I run with. We are the future of this sport. Don't piss us off or cross us the wrong way, we'll be choosing which nursing home you'll be staying in... :jester:

Nebe	08-20-2005 08:48 AM

Toby.. :buds: :lm:

eelman

08-20-2005 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tlapinski

I guess anyone who has 20 yrs or more in the suds, regardless of age!

BigFish

08-20-2005 08:55 AM

Any of you "Old Guard" yank any 40's from the suds yet this season? :hidin:

Slingah

08-20-2005 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tlapinski

ya, but do you got a fifty??? :tooth: :hee: :jester:

NIB	08-20-2005 09:03 AM

Fifty's are overated.Alot of good anglers today don't have one yet.They are comin though.T lap would surely have one if he was from another era.

BigFish

08-20-2005 09:04 AM

I agree NIB....thats why I don't have one yet! :bl:

fishaholic18

08-20-2005 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFish

Any of you "Old Guard" yank any 40's from the suds yet this season? :hidin:

:bl:

Slingah

08-20-2005 09:11 AM

it was a joke NIB :tooth: ....im a wise arse....I dont doubt T-Lap is a good fisherman....that kinda what I meant
how big, how many, how long.....who cares...its fishing...thats my opinion, I know some people are super serious ....I like it to be fun

capesams

08-20-2005 09:13 AM

20 year's = young sprout

44 yr's= old

60 yr's = I bow to them and say yes sir.

NIB	08-20-2005 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

This thread wsa supposed to be a funny topic because of ebens fish I am glad it turned into something usefull.

I want to be honest without being nailed for it so here goes. I have tried to warm up to people and take them fishing, It always turns out bad, always, they burn spots, take tons of friends and cant keep there mouths shut. Maybe if they showed some respect, they would get some and a little more knowledge. I am very, very, very carefull now who I would take if anyone, I fish with Steve and thats it. I have come to know PIEMMA And I really feel I can trust a guy like that, I would never lie to him, he has fished with some old timers That I have the utmost respect for and, I dont have that for many people. I act like a total Ahole at times and well thats 70% for fun on these boards but make no mistake, I take fishing extremely serious and I have worked very hard and lost thousands or hours of sleep to get where I am at now, I am scared to ever risk it.

A very few people here now where I fish and that scares me! so far no one has burned me and I respect that. I just feel that evey newble I have met is either and instant hero, wants a 50 yesterday, or is basically not willing to listen, but worse than all that all they seem to want is spots nothing else! I hate that, in my opinion thats what I call a "suck" Find your own fish is my attitude now but look, wouldent you feel better if you did it that way?

So overall? I dont care to much for the new guard I have met, there are a couple but not more than that. They have no idea that we who have done this for 20yrs or so have seen it all, guys who go all out and then quit after a few seasons, guys who resent you because you wont take them to your spot etc, I have seen and heard it all!

The whole attitude now is different, I will stick with the old timers, and the steves of the world, they just get it!

U know I always try to keep a open mind.when reading into people.I can't help myself on this one.Eel dude perhaps if u take a few steps away from the computer an make believe ur me.Then read this post.sounds to me like ur pretty full of urself.Nobody with any class wants to fish in another mans bootprints.Share what u know i have seen some good posts by u.Perhaps u can change things, perhaps nobody took the newbloods by the hand an told them how to act.driving a wedge in only will make matters worse.Its all about respect an in order to get it u have to give some.I am by no means young anymore or new to the sport.dressin like johnny Cash, cuffin ur smokes,the only time u turned a light on was to get the hook out of ur hand.I fished primarily from 12 midnite till false dawn an no matter how good u where gettin em u had to leave or be seen.thats how i was taught.I don't take things to those extremes anymore.I do certainly guard my privacy though.The shop down the street that takes the pics of every fish an puts pics in the paper runs a contest wit a sizable cash prize.He has my name on the board in second the last 2 yrs.i was the only one wit no pics.Never do u see my name in the paper or for that matter do i call myself a surf magician say ya i got a fifty.(I might if I had one).my truck has no tell tale signs on a fisherman inside.no stickers nothing looks like a work van.The point is; the devil won't get ur goat if he can't find it.The internet is a great thing filled wit info any starvin for S-B young buck can sink there teeth into.It for those that know Like Urself an Mike P to share.I truely believe in karma...Time is a at a premium these days an the corner tackle shop BS is basically a thing of the past.the new way is the internet embrace it or don't.the choice is ours.

NIB	08-20-2005 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slingah

how big, how many, how long.....who cares...its fishing...thats my opinion, I know some people are super serious ....I like it to be fun

Thats what it's all about brother.to each there own.
Fishin is not the same for everone.i enjoy the sport, the hunt an the finally conquest.I cannot disregaurd all the fine friends I have made along the way.It's my life an i am enjoyin it.A good fish is just icing on the cake.

NIB	08-20-2005 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capesams

20 year's = young sprout

44 yr's= old

60 yr's = I bow to them and say yes sir.

Thats the way I was told.
Now can u make 45=old.

NIB	08-20-2005 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piemma

I'd like to respond to Pete's post. I only met "#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&" about 4 months ago although I knew of him from my late partner Gil Guilletone. Gil had always told me that "Bill Nolan is a hardcore surfman and a good fisherman."
Bill is cut from a different cloth than the run of the mill surfcaster. He is passionate about his craft and to him it is a craft. It's not "just fishing" It part of who he is. I fish with a couple of guys who do not post on any internet site and they also believe that surfishing is "part of who we are".

Some of #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&'s post rub some people the wrong way but, as with anyone who is passionate about something, this will happen. Bill is the consummate surfcaster, a dedicated surfman and a decent guy. He may state his opinions in a way that offends some people but who on this board has not offened someone.
let's keep this whole thing is perspecive. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I see no useful purpose served by calling people ignorant for what they believe in.
Now, that's my opinion, for whatever it's worth.

I'm sure he is a good guy .For some reason the written word is not always conveyed in the same matter as if spoken.
(part of who we are)
thats what makes our little internet community so special we all share part of who we are for the love of the sport.In this thread BM an Flap have shown their dissaproval of this thread along with DZ.Now I have read an witnessed countles presentaions or how to's by all three of these fine fisherman.

piemma

08-20-2005 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tlapinski

Toby, I have fished with you and you are one of the "old guard". So is Bryan, (RIrockhound.) I think the old guard is more of an additude than an age issue. When I think of the old guard i think of guys that stand the midnight watch, fish is the rain, wind, high seas. They will walk a couple of miles over and around boulders to get to one good fish. They go the extra distance to get that one good fish.
Tim Coleman wrote an article a number of years ago entitled "The Last Man Walking". If you are out in the surf at the end of November, 20 degrees and the wind NW at 25 looking for that one last fish then I think you qualify as the old guard.

Squibby17

08-20-2005 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NIB

I think this thread show the difference in personalities as well as importance.

I don't know #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& but I enjoy 85 % of what he posts. What we must understand and what he must understand is there are maybe only a dozen guys in the north east coast who fish as often or as hard as he does from the shore. To him thats a compliment. I would prob never dedicate that much time to surf fishing. I love it but it doesn't consume my life. Does that mean I don't "get it" maybe but I'm fine with that.

:topic: I have other passions too. I could probably out ski all of you in the winter. You may going skiing once and a while but I'm ver serious about it. I could tell you the best spots to ski after a certain storm. The honey holes for powder and isolation. Where hidden trails are but that would be "spot burning". :kewl:

To each and to ones own

tlapinski

08-20-2005 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NIB

Fifty's are overated.Alot of good anglers today don't have one yet.They are comin though.T lap would surely have one if he was from another era.

Why the assumption that I don't have one? Just asking, not trying to start with you NIB, we already went down that dead end street with each other. As it has been said, too much emphasis has been put on that by some. To each his own, though, as no one should be judged on their personal goals. One's accomplishments or time spent in the surf, however, should not go to one's head either. Some guys (and girls) just have "it". Just because one person has spent 60 years in the surf, while another only 5, is one any better automatically? Not at all. If you put quality time in, keep track of what/where/when works and what doesn't, you don't need to spend all night every night out beating yourself up. I would rather spend 2 quality hours in the surf catching, than 6 hours looking for those 2 hours of fish. That allows me to get up the next day and scout new water, snorkel water I fish to look for bait, and make my next night more successful than if I spend the whole day sleeping and regaining my energy. Maybe the "new guard" is just a bit wiser :hihi: ...

JoeP	08-20-2005 11:10 AM

Piemma -- I told you I was just kidding - :kewl:

piemma

08-20-2005 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeP

Piemma -- I told you I was just kidding - :kewl:

So am I Joe. No offense taken and no offense meant. :cheers:

spence

08-20-2005 12:12 PM

I'd be careful with Piemma if I were you. Last night he called me while I was standing on a rock and berated me for not catching as many fish as #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&.

Did I just get hazed ??? :doh: :hee:

-spence

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