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PaulS 01-29-2016 09:50 AM

How much has Pres. Obama cut the military budget?

How did he cut the military w/o the Repub. agreeing to those cuts?

spence 01-29-2016 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1092235)
How much has Pres. Obama cut the military budget?

How did he cut the military w/o the Repub. agreeing to those cuts?

Obama actually didn't get the military spending increase he requested in the last budget.

buckman 01-29-2016 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1092240)
Obama actually didn't get the military spending increase he requested in the last budget.

No, he got 6% instead of 6. 5%
Sometimes is not how much you get it's how you spend it .
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PaulS 01-29-2016 01:31 PM

I wonder how many ships got built bc Sen. Lott got $ put into the budget so they would be built in Miss. even though the navy didn't want them or bc some Sen. wanted planes built in his district or some Congressman didn't want a base closed the Army wanted to close.

Give the $ to the Military and let them decide how to spend it.

buckman 01-29-2016 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1092253)
I wonder how many ships got built bc Sen. Lott got $ put into the budget so they would be built in Miss. even though the navy didn't want them or bc some Sen. wanted planes built in his district or some Congressman didn't want a base closed the Army wanted to close.

Give the $ to the Military and let them decide how to spend it.

I think the number of active US naval ships is at an all-time low.
At least they're getting a product for that money , they could be giving it away to illegal aliens
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PaulS 01-29-2016 03:38 PM

Yes, a product that the military says they don't want or need.

Wasn't it Romney who made that same statement and it was proven false? You do know comparing an aircraft carrier to a ship from 1890 might not be the best comparison.

Do you have a link to show that the number of ships is at an all time low?

buckman 01-29-2016 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1092260)
Yes, a product that the military says they don't want or need.

Wasn't it Romney who made that same statement and it was proven false? You do know comparing an aircraft carrier to a ship from 1890 might not be the best comparison.

Do you have a link to show that the number of ships is at an all time low?

I guess al time low was a stretch , since 1911 is more accurate . I think the number of air craft carriers is lower also . There are a number of good articles on it , use Google
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spence 01-29-2016 07:59 PM

Considering a modern ship can project the firepower of multiple older ships I render this talking point lame.
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justplugit 01-29-2016 08:22 PM

That .5% cut on the Military Budget amounts to $5 BILLION less.
You can support a lot of special anti terrorist strike forces with that,
small and large.

Large ships do have the fire power, but having enough to strategically deploy
is another story. The more the better, if we had a carrier deployed in the Mediteranian
at the time, we wouldn't be having this discussion about Benghazi.

Nebe 01-29-2016 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by justplugit (Post 1092267)
That .5% cut on the Military Budget amounts to $5 BILLION less.
You can support a lot of special anti terrorist strike forces with that,
small and large.

Large ships do have the fire power, but having enough to strategically deploy
is another story. The more the better, if we had a carrier deployed in the Mediteranian
at the time, we wouldn't be having this discussion about Benghazi.

Do you know how many kids could receive Pell grants with $5 billion dollars ?
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detbuch 01-29-2016 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1092268)
Do you know how many kids could receive Pell grants with $5 billion dollars ?
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Are qualified applicants being denied Pell grants? Can't we do both military and Pell grants. Must it be either or?

scottw 01-30-2016 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1092268)
Do you know how many kids could receive Pell grants with $5 billion dollars ?
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now that's putting your Bernie Thinking Cap on....funny, when you go to the WIKI page for Pell Grants this appears on the first line... "It is an entitlement"....you can replace Pell Grants with just about any entitlement and make the argument that someone would be better off somewhere if they got free something rather than the government spending that money on something else

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/...ever-graduate/

http://www.theatlantic.com/education...enroll/407311/

justplugit 01-30-2016 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1092268)
Do you know how many kids could receive Pell grants with $5 billion dollars ?
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Yes another entitlement. How about increasing Soc Sec benefits for seniors who have paid in all there lives ? It all depends as to where you are in life as to what you want
Kids can always find a way to go through college by working, scholarships,
loans, community college etc.

However unless you have a strong military to defend
the country and be in a strong position to negotiate and fight terrorism everything else is mute.

buckman 01-30-2016 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by justplugit (Post 1092302)
It all depends as to where you are in life as to what you want
Kids can always find a way to go through college by working, scholarships,
loans, community college etc.

And don't forget doing service in the military .
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PaulS 01-30-2016 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1092262)
I guess al time low was a stretch , since 1911 is more accurate . I think the number of air craft carriers is lower also . There are a number of good articles on it , use Google
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I did a search and everything i read said that the lowest amount was during the Bush admin.
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PaulS 01-30-2016 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by justplugit (Post 1092186)
BTW, where were our vast coalition of countries invented by Hilarey and Obama when we needed them during the attack.
Just a phone call away, was that even considered during the attack ????

I never knew that there was any types of coalition re Libya.
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spence 01-30-2016 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1092323)
I never knew that there was any types of coalition re Libya.
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Sure, Libya was a UN action really driven by the French and British.
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justplugit 01-30-2016 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1092310)
And don't forget doing service in the military .
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I agree Buck, you can get one of the best educations in the world at West Point,
Annapolis and the Air force academy. Won't cost you a dime, just a 4 year
service stint for your country after graduation.
There is always a way if you really want it.

Nebe 01-30-2016 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by justplugit (Post 1092336)
I agree Buck, you can get one of the best educations in the world at West Point,
Annapolis and the Air force academy. Won't cost you a dime, just a 4 year
service stint for your country after graduation.
There is always a way if you really want it.

LOL. As long as you don't consider an education in independent thinking and building a sense of individualism. 😂😂😂😂
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justplugit 01-30-2016 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1092338)
LOL. As long as you don't consider an education in independent thinking and building a sense of individualism. 😂😂😂😂
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I have one Niece and 2 Nephews that are working for Fortune 500 companies
since finishing service after Annapolis. We should all be making their salaries
and holding their positions. :hihi:

scottw 01-30-2016 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1092338)
LOL. As long as you don't consider an education in independent thinking and building a sense of individualism. 😂😂😂😂
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I've noticed that the more someone declares themselves an "independent thinker" and criticizes those deemed non...the less likely you are to get an independent or original thought out of them...you usually get oft recited talking points and tired platitudes which I guess is somehow better than non-independent thinking or "dependent" thinking? :rollem:

The Dad Fisherman 01-30-2016 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justplugit (Post 1092336)
I agree Buck, you can get one of the best educations in the world at West Point,
Annapolis and the Air force academy. Won't cost you a dime, just a 4 year
service stint for your country after graduation.
There is always a way if you really want it.

I think buckman is referring to kids earning college money through enlisting..

Very very VERY few kids are going to get into academies.

I know a kid that was Top 5 in class, national honor society, class president, and an Eagle Scout.......had his recommendation from his senator....still didn't get into the Air Force Academy.....
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Nebe 01-30-2016 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by justplugit (Post 1092339)
I have one Niece and 2 Nephews that are working for Fortune 500 companies
since finishing service after Annapolis. We should all be making their salaries
and holding their positions. :hihi:

Key words here are "working for".
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Nebe 01-30-2016 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1092341)
I've noticed that the more someone declares themselves an "independent thinker" and criticizes those deemed non...the less likely you are to get an independent or original thought out of them...you usually get oft recited talking points and tired platitudes which I guess is somehow better than non-independent thinking or "dependent" thinking? :rollem:

Benghaaazziiiiiiiii
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justplugit 01-31-2016 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1092343)

Very very VERY few kids are going to get into academies.

I know a kid that was Top 5 in class, national honor society, class president, and an Eagle Scout.......had his recommendation from his senator....still didn't get into the Air Force Academy.....
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That young man will be a great success no matter what because
he has worked very hard to obtain it. Compare his record
to the kids who want A's with D efforts.
Somebody did a good job bringing him up. :hihi:

The Dad Fisherman 01-31-2016 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justplugit (Post 1092386)
That young man will be a great success no matter what because
he has worked very hard to obtain it. Compare his record
to the kids who want A's with D efforts.
Somebody did a good job bringing him up. :hihi:

I expect to see him running for office someday. And I'm not just saying......he will be.

....and I would have no problem voting for him
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justplugit 01-31-2016 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1092403)
I expect to see him running for office someday. And I'm not just saying......he will be.

....and I would have no problem voting for him
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I would too, as long as he kept honoring the Boy Scout Oath.
I wish we had a candidate now who would do just that. :hihi:

The Dad Fisherman 01-31-2016 07:38 PM

Not in this current roster.....
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RIROCKHOUND 01-31-2016 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1092262)
I guess al time low was a stretch , since 1911 is more accurate . I think the number of air craft carriers is lower also . There are a number of good articles on it , use Google
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EB just reported they will be hiring a ton. Maybe not carriers, but they are still cranking out ships...

buckman 02-01-2016 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 1092421)
EB just reported they will be hiring a ton. Maybe not carriers, but they are still cranking out ships...

I heard that too. That's great news
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