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DZ 08-20-2018 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1149210)
I think as long as is practical. The baseline is that it's public info, where is goes from there is case by case.

Yep.

scottw 08-20-2018 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1149209)
At least as good as Trumps inlaws

were they here illegally?


so would you like this to apply to all members of the military?...if they sneak someone across the border and marry them or marry someone who is here illegally they are exempt from our immigration laws?

most of the military members that i know go out of their way to follow our laws

scottw 08-20-2018 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1149210)
I think as long as is practical. The baseline is that it's public info, where is goes from there is case by case.

Captain Obvious again........the names and addresses and other info was requested by the far left media during jury deliberation, a jury that was feeling threatened already....that was the rub...not whether or not that info should ever be released

wdmso 08-20-2018 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1149203)
more stupid...nobody cares about Manafort beyond those that hope he somehow brings Trump down


Whats really funny is you believe what you wrote :rotflmao:

Jim in CT 08-20-2018 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1149176)
I think she was drawing on Trump's wannabe tyrant-ism and the abhorrent treatment refugees and migrants have suffered as Trump is rounded them up en mass and broken families with little concern that they are human beings. Clumsy and full of hyperbole but as evidence the press is the enemy doesn't really hold up...

didn’t obama also break up families and put kids in cages?

what you think, is becoming less and less connected with reality.
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spence 08-20-2018 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1149219)
didn’t obama also break up families and put kids in cages?

what you think, is becoming less and less connected with reality.
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Jim, we've covered this about 5 times now...

scottw 08-20-2018 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1149219)
didn’t obama also break up families and put kids in cages?


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yeah but Trump eats them for breakfast

scottw 08-20-2018 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1149217)
Whats really funny is you believe what you wrote :rotflmao:

I love that you were amused :kewl:

detbuch 08-20-2018 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1149172)

when they ask means nothing ... unless you wear a tin foil hat

In the memorandum that the media who petitioned for names and addresses of jurors, requesting when the information should be released, they wrote:

"Therefore, the Media Coalition respectfully requests that the Court issue an order directing the clerk to make publicly available the names and addresses of the jurors and alternates who heard this case, at the latest immediately upon return of the jury of its verdict.

So, the media would have liked to get the info before the verdict, but no later than immediately after the verdict.

spence 08-20-2018 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1149238)
So, the media would have liked to get the info before the verdict, but no later than immediately after the verdict.

It doesn't say that, they're just planning ahead for when the trial is over.

scottw 08-20-2018 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1149241)
It doesn't say that, they're just planning ahead for when the trial is over.

sounds like far left media collusion to me...that's a VERY odd way of wording "just planning ahead"
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scottw 08-20-2018 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1149180)



"Therefore, the Media Coalition respectfully requests that the Court issue an order directing the clerk to make publicly available the names and addresses of the jurors and alternates who heard this case, at the latest immediately upon return of the jury of its verdict.

So, the media would have liked to get the info before the verdict, but no later than immediately after the verdict.

immediately upon,,,,,,,like ....right away

detbuch 08-20-2018 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1149179)
(Quote: Originally Posted by detbuch
The claim is that "what many see here" is that some of the media is trying to intimidate the jury. Is that a false claim? Can you support that it is a false claim?
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Yes its called Normal! to request such information AKA precedent

You didn't answer my question. Breitbart did not directly say that the media request was intimidation. Breitbart claimed that "WHAT MANY SEE HERE" is an attempt at intimidation. Do you contend that many do not see that? That that is a false claim?


Can you support how this isn't a false claim or how the request is an attempt to intimidate the jury or how that would even happen

Apparently, many do see it as intimidation. I certainly can't disprove that. Can you? The Judge has gotten threats and has U.S. Marshal protection. The jury was scared. I don't think it is a stretch to say that many can see, and do, that revealing the juror's names and addresses would be intimidating in light of threats already being made.

And did you read the entire Breitbart article, including the blue links embedded in the article which added to the credence of the Breitbart article?

And the jury is not sequestered, so it could have heard about the request to post their names and addresses. And the media requested the info AT THE LATEST immediately after the verdict. So, possibly, before that.

spence 08-20-2018 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1149244)
Apparently, many do see it as intimidation. I certainly can't disprove that. Can you? The Judge has gotten threats and has U.S. Marshal protection. The jury was scared. I don't think it is a stretch to say that many can see, and do, that revealing the juror's names and addresses would be intimidating in light of threats already being made.

Where is a first hand report of the jury being scared?

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And the jury is not sequestered, so it could have heard about the request to post their names and addresses. And the media requested the info AT THE LATEST immediately after the verdict. So, possibly, before that.
How is that in any way trying to influence the Jury?

detbuch 08-20-2018 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1149241)
It doesn't say that, they're just planning ahead for when the trial is over.

I don't know from where you get your "interpretation." I know you subscribe to judicial interpretation by whim or personal opinion. Or, perhaps, you're just resorting to some sort of mental channeling?
I go by the memorandum's actual words, a sort of textual originalism,-- the media coalition requested the names and addresses "at the latest immediately upon return of the jury of its verdict."

If it was requesting the info only after the verdict was rendered, it would not require, in a legal memorandum of request, to add the words "at the latest". That clearly is a request to get it before "the latest" if possible.

scottw 08-20-2018 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1149245)
Where is a first hand report of the jury being scared?


How is that in any way trying to influence the Jury?

it's like the mafia letting them know they're being watched and they know where they live...typical leftist intimidation tactics lately...plenty of examples

detbuch 08-20-2018 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1149245)
Where is a first hand report of the jury being scared?

The judge said so. I don't know how many hands were involved. But he is pretty close to the jury's concerns.

How is that in any way trying to influence the Jury?

The word being used was "intimidation." Not everyone is as self-assured, brave, with nerves of steel as you. My understanding is that the locality in which the trial is being held is anti-Trump. I can see how a juror wouldn't want some hot-head looney in that community to know his name and address if the verdict was not guilty. It might influence a juror to decide that discretion is the better part of valor, and discretely vote for conviction.

spence 08-20-2018 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1149248)
The word being used was "intimidation." Not everyone is as self-assured, brave, with nerves of steel as you. My understanding is that the locality in which the trial is being held is anti-Trump. I can see how a juror wouldn't want some hot-head looney in that community to know his name and address if the verdict was not guilty. It might influence a juror to decide that discretion is the better part of valor, and discretely vote for conviction.

The judge didn't say anything about juror intimidation, he said he had personally received threats. I'm all for keeping them private for now but I would fear more from Trump supporters than I would from the media.

Jim in CT 08-20-2018 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1149112)
I'm not sue how her tax return story was in any way misleading, yes it was over hyped but the returns did confirm some Trump hypocrisy. It wasn't a nothing story.

A lot of people thought Hillary was going to rout trump.

uh, she claimed she had a big scoop. i can only guess, that she didn’t even glance at the tax return until she revealed that he paid a boatload in taxes.
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scottw 08-20-2018 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1149250)
The judge didn't say anything about juror intimidation, .

from the POLITICO article....for the second time

" the judge overseeing the case alluded to "threats" the jury may be receiving.

“I had no idea this case would incite this emotion,” U.S. District Court Judge T.S. Ellis III said in an open court hearing, responding to a motion from seven news organizations, including POLITICO, seeking access to sealed materials related to the trial that would have publicly identified the jurors.

Ellis denied the motion, telling the courtroom that jurors were "scared” and “afraid.” As a result, Ellis said, he didn’t “feel right” releasing the names of the 12-person jury.

spence 08-20-2018 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1149253)
from the POLITICO article....for the second time

" the judge overseeing the case alluded to "threats" the jury may be receiving.

“I had no idea this case would incite this emotion,” U.S. District Court Judge T.S. Ellis III said in an open court hearing, responding to a motion from seven news organizations, including POLITICO, seeking access to sealed materials related to the trial that would have publicly identified the jurors.

Ellis denied the motion, telling the courtroom that jurors were "scared” and “afraid.” As a result, Ellis said, he didn’t “feel right” releasing the names of the 12-person jury.

Name one specific juror threat.
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Jim in CT 08-20-2018 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1149220)
Jim, we've covered this about 5 times now...

and what you said, is that obama did the same thing, but not quite as often. how big of a difference is that. the photo of kids in a cage that got everyone foaming at the mouth, was taken during the obama years. why let facts getnin the way if a good commie temper tantrum.
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scottw 08-20-2018 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1149254)
Name one specific juror threat.
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ask the judge dummy

The Dad Fisherman 08-20-2018 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1149250)
I'm all for keeping them private for now but I would fear more from Trump supporters than I would from the media.

Yes, the media is the problem...:rolleyes:

You should repeat what you are about to post in front of the mirror and see if your own eyes roll before you submit reply
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Pete F. 08-20-2018 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1149255)
and what you said, is that obama did the same thing, but not quite as often. how big of a difference is that. the photo of kids in a cage that got everyone foaming at the mouth, was taken during the obama years. why let facts getnin the way if a good commie temper tantrum.
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This administrations policy was to Separate as a deterrent and that is pretty abhorrent to most Americans
Sessions said, “If people don’t want to be separated from their children, they should not bring them with them. We’ve got to get this message out.”
Commie no longer works for Trumplicans unless you’re just self identifying
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spence 08-21-2018 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1149255)
and what you said, is that obama did the same thing, but not quite as often. how big of a difference is that. the photo of kids in a cage that got everyone foaming at the mouth, was taken during the obama years. why let facts getnin the way if a good commie temper tantrum.
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I never said Obama did the same thing, their policies are quite different. Do some homework Jim.

Jim in CT 08-21-2018 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1149289)
I never said Obama did the same thing, their policies are quite different. Do some homework Jim.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...backfires.html

spence 08-21-2018 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1149296)

Well aware of the Obama era photo, it does nothing to refute the reality that the policy and scope of the two administrations isn't vastly different on this issue.


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