Originally Posted by DZ (Post 1159164)

Obviously both sides are looking for a win.

So which side will take the high road and cave on the issue?

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1159159)

Actually, Obama's was worse as it affected every Department. This one doesn't affect a lot of the DoD as they are already funded through 2019

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1159165)

Says who? Mike Pence was on TV this weekend, and he said DACA was on the table as a deal for the wall. I saw Pence say it. Lindsay Graham is also saying it.

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1159168)

Says the news peoples.
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1159167)

Bigger in scope but 2013 was a result primarily of Republican efforts to defund existing law, not create new spending.
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Originally Posted by DZ (Post 1159164)

Obviously both sides are looking for a win.

So which side will take the high road and cave on the issue?

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1159167)

Bigger in scope
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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1159169)

Actual NEWS people? or biased news people who tend to make things up?

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1159174)

There are somewheres around 4 Million people that are government contract workers that are out of work and they will not be getting paid.
The true number is hard to ascertain.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1159151)

"this shut down is not remotely the same as Obama’s shut down "

Stop moving the goalposts. I was responding to your post, where you implied that shutdowns are wrong because of their impact on federal workers. That's what you said, and that's what I was responding to.

From the perspective of workers who didn't get paid, what was the difference between the two shutdowns?

"you show your skills off suggesting they are the same"

Never implied they were the same. But didn't both result in workers not getting paid? What's on display here, is your inability to admit your side plays these games too, and that it's equally wrong regardless of who does it. Nope. Political gamesmanship is only bothersome to you, when the GOP does it. I was pretty critical of the GOP in my response to you. When I mentioned Obama's shutdown, you can't bring yourself to say that also hurt federal workers, all you can do is say "it wasn't the same as this". OK, I tried engaging you like an adult, and it was a waste.

"Are Trump or his supporters familiar with the fable of the boy who cried wolf? Because it’s playing out now in the White House "

Tell that to the widow and 5 month-old left behind by Officer Singh.

Did that cop get murdered by an illegal who had two DUIs here? yes or no? Did the GOP fabricate it, or did it happen? I fit happened, how many Americans like that cop are you willing to sacrifice on the alter of liberalism, before you can admit that there's a problem?

Boy who cried wolf. Unfreakinbelievable.

You're a sheep. You cannot think critically, you can regurgitate what you hear on MSNBC, that's all. GOP is b-a-a-a-a-d.


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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1159180)

And what would you say to his wife if he was killed by a Us citizen?
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1159180)

nothing is more than pathetic than using people’s deaths to forward a political agenda . No matter the party
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1159176)

They are eligible for Unemployment though, which is something. Unfortunately, that's the chance you take as a contractor.

A lot of people take this route because contractors make more than the fed employees. If you have a spouse that can carry the health insurance, you can make some big money contracting. And a lot of contracting companies even offer benefits so that doesn't even have to be a concern.

Shutdowns are not new w/ Trump, there have been 22 of them since the 70's. Pretty much there is a threat of one every year at budget time.

not saying it doesn't suck, but it's pretty much life as a Gov Contractor.

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1159183)

You mean like, parading a Gold Star Dad up on stage.

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1159183)

You mean like, parading a Gold Star Dad up on stage.

Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1159182)

the same thing you'd say to the wife if he was killed by some on guy the street thanks to a liberal judge who released him when he should not have been on the street...

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1159180)

And what would you say to his wife if he was killed by a Us citizen? Would it garner less attention or be less tragic .. nothing is more than pathetic than using people’s deaths to forward a political agenda . No matter the party

Can you name the 3 officers who have been killed in the line of duty in 2019. Of course you can’t .. doubt if you even knew it there were 3 .. why because they weren’t caused by an illegal there’s no value in that for Trump

Trump has been crying since the day he announced his bid for president
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1159183)

You mean like, parading a Gold Star Dad up on stage.

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1159183)

You mean like, parading a Gold Star Dad up on stage.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1159193)

BAM.
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1159194)

Khan was publicly criticizing Trump well before he spoke at the convention.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1159196)

the dems used his sons death at the convention for political capital. same
as the gop is doing with the CA officer.

you can’t even admit those are both situations where a party used a tragedy to advance their ideology? you’re going to tell
us that’s what the gop did, but not the democrats?

you’re useless.
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1159198)

Huge difference, Khan spoke out on his own volition.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1159192)

i don’t know what i’d say. he wasn’t killed by a us citizen. i can make a very strong case that he was killed
by open borders and sanctuary policies.

isnt nearly as absurd as the liberal position on sanctuary cities and states.

What absurd for not enforcing federal laws when the feds don’t repay the costs to cities and states for those action.. it’s not as if illegals are not arrested because they are illegal that’s a gop bedtime story they tell their base

anyway, back to your other post, if you could tell
me why a federal worker fuoughed bynthe trump shutdown is hurt worse than a federal worker hurt by the obama
shut down, i’d appreciate it.

we have had shutdowns as I said it’s the BS reason for the shut down

People have always collateral damage during shut downs
Unless I’ve missed something this is the 1st time they’ve been hostages... Trump didn’t even mention them in his 8 mins

Now we hurt Some Americans to help some Americans don’t get it

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1159201)

so how do you know, that the CA officers family doesn’t support using their
loss to
advance this agenda? your
argument only holds water
if they don’t want to be used this way, as
Khan did.

here are some
victims
families who
are advocating for trumps agenda.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/families-...et-border-wall


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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1159204)

Unless I’ve missed something this is the 1st time they’ve been hostages...
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1159197)

Trump assumed office almost 2 years ago.
The Wall was his signature campaign issue.
The Republicans controlled Congress and the Administration.
For 2 years this was not an Emergency and nothing was sent to the President for a signature, though there were negotiations and meetings.
Mid term elections and the House was lost.
In the last week of the 115th Congress it became an emergency and made the shutdown of the government necessary and justifiable in Trump's opinion.
Sound a little odd or is this just the methodology of a great negotiator?