Actually, I'm done asking questions about Carson.

If we review, I said even before Bernie Sander's announced that he would run for president, that he would be president and I still feel that strongly.
Furthermore, there is no way this country would elect Carson after this pyramid statement. Trump is a joke, nothing more to say there.. Rubio or Cruz will face Sanders in a very close race.

Just my opinion.
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actually the rapture is first...the second coming would come "second" believe it or not...but you sort of get it...

I would be concerned that if Carson believes the end of days is near, and ISIS holds a similar position, can Ben Carson renounce his religion so that it doesn't interfere with his duty to uphold the Constitution?

It's possible that his beliefs are fundamentally incompatible with the USA :hihi:

R U serious Nebe....that statement was a joke ,right....hehehe....Sanders is a socialist.....when I think of him I think of hitler.....he will never B the fuhrer of this country....:)

He's already come once.
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Thats exactly why I asked.
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Dead serious.
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in terms of rapture and second coming as it relates to end of times...the rapture happens first, the second coming would be after that( you had it backwards)...in terms of Carson and his belief on this... neither or their timing matters...


if you and Spence are going to attack Carson as someone who gets things wrong and sounds like a nut, you should get thing wrong and sound like nuts so frequently ...:agree:

Ok. I understand. But you get my point here. No?
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I'm afraid I don't...hang on...let me take a bong hit...that's what Bernie would suggest

He would actually. Because it's gods weed
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Not to be all pedantic on a fishing site but we expect more.

Nebe, what polling are you relying on, when you say that Hilary is not going to be the nominee? I haven't seen a poll (other than Iowa and NH) that has him anywhere near her. No one is saying Bernie is going to beat her, unless she gets indicted in the email thing, in which case the DNC would dust someone off the shelf (Kerry, Gore, Biden) to run. They will never allow Sanders to get the nomination.

I don't think Sanders can win the general election. I also don't see anything that would derail Clinton, for all the hype there's just nothing there.

If it did I'd love to see Bloomberg and Romney both run late. That would be fun to watch.

The polling I am relying on is my own. 😎
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so Bernie won the straw poll at your Hippie Club meeting?...that's not surprising...

we can look forward to celebrating Bernie's 50 years in government...you still a big supporter of term limits?

"I don't think Sanders can win the general election."

Agreed. Do you think he can win the primary? I don't see him doing anything after Iowa and NH. Unless Hilary gets indicted, Bernie will be done by Super Tuesday, if he lasts that long.

"I also don't see anything that would derail Clinton, for all the hype there's just nothing there"

I'll disagree and leave it at that. Are you talking primary or general? The polls I have seen, show that a handful of GOP candidates are right with her, if not slightly ahead in a general match-up.

It's going to be so long and ugly. 90% of the talk (99% of Hilary's talk) will be baseless attacks, claims of racism, homophobia, war on women, insane promises of free this and that, blah, blah, blah.

You're confusing me with Jim (unless that was suppose to be some sort of little jab - then I would say good one). I don't start posts crying about every little thing or post the same thing over and over and over again or call the Pres. a POS or Hillary things like FCOTUS.

So is there any proof he actually got offered a "scholarship"? What congressman nominated him? Is there any record of West Point receiving that or approving him for admission? I already provided a link to an article which showd he had a relationship with the nutritional company even though he recently denied it. So did he or did he not try to kill someone? His book said he was violent and tried to kill someone and tried to attack his mom with a hammer.
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I wish you applied the same level of scrutiny to everyone:rolleyes:

Just for Corperate tit s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g shills.
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Come on Scott, this is an easy one if he was paid to do the speeches, he lied about this.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...natech/412987/



http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...s-donald-trump
On NBC, Carson continued: “I am soft-spoken. I do have a tendency to be relaxed. I wasn’t always like that. There was a time when I was, you know, very volatile. But, you know, I changed.

“As a teenager, I would go after people with rocks, and bricks, and baseball bats, and hammers. And, of course, many people know the story when I was 14 and I tried to stab someone. And, you know, fortunately … my life has been changed. And I’m a very different person now.”

(The "" mean Carson actually said these words...")

Carson, the author of a number of bestselling books, has often told the story of his wayward youth and the time he attempted to stab a friend. The person he threatened with a hammer was his mother.


Does any of this preclude him from running? No, but his story is getting silly, and it appears he is twisting things to make his story sound even better which is too bad, because w/o the West Point or hammer or stab story he still has a compelling story

And yes Jim, Hillary lied about the sniper file to conflate things as well. Yes she probably knew Bill was having affair. Her story sucks as well.

It bothers me that all around these are the best we have to offer. Sanders can't win a general. Period, Nebe. Hillary will probably pick Jim Webb as a VP to get the middle of the road blue dog/Regan democrats and win the general.

We shall see.
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The only way he is the Democratic nominee is if Hillary dies, becomes incapacitated medically or is indicted; and even then, he won't be the nominee.

He is driving some conversation, but he can't win a general.

I believe that I heard the news saying that Carson admitted he never was offered a scholarship and that General Westmorland was never at the dinner Carson claimed he talked to him at. ( I just turned it on and there was talking in the room so I'll have to look into this more to see if I heard it correctly). This was after Carson told the news to stop lying.

If someone offers you a scholarship and it ain't in writing, it ain't a scholarship. If WP was actively recruiting Blacks, he prob. had a good chance of getting in. But it looks like no "scholarship" was offered

As RRH said, his story is compelling enough w/o making things up. His campaign has said he has gotten record donations since the liberal WSJ broke the story.
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I don't understand why the childhood anger issues are relevant or in question..he grew up in Detroit during the 60's.. do a little googling about Detroit during the 60's...we threw rocks at each other in my neighborhood and we didn't have race riots going on at the time, the little puke across the street threw a hammer at me once and got a beating for it...where did you guys grow up?...a couple of kids in my class blew themselves up with a pipe bomb and my brother got angry and chased me down the street with a knife once, I kept running because he seemed pretty serious...I'd never have threatened my mother mostly because my Dad would have kicked my ass...I'm not sure Carson's Dad was around...

pretty sure it was Politico that broke the story....Jim Geraghty has been writing on the Mannatech story for almost a year...guess it just became relavant

hilliary wants reclassification

Here are a couple more:

The Journal pointed out that Carson falsely claimed last week in a Facebook post that “Every signer of the Declaration of Independence had no elected office experience.” The paper interviewed Benjamin L. Carp, an associate professor of history at Brooklyn College and author of books on the American Revolution. According to The Journal’s article on the matter: “Mr. Carp said Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, John Hancock and many other signers had been elected members of their colonial assemblies, prior to signing the Declaration.”

In comparing the success of his Carson Scholars Fund to other nonprofits, Carson has repeatedly claimed that “nine out of 10 nonprofits fail,” a claim that The Washington Post Fact Checker has rated false with four Pinocchios, the worst rating — what the newspaper simply calls “whoppers.”
Of the 19 claims of Carson the fact checking site PolitiFact has delved into, none have been ruled true and only one mostly true. Indeed most — like Carson’s claim that he “ ‘didn’t have an involvement with’ nutritional supplement company Mannatech” — have either been ruled false or what the site calls “pants on fire,” a statement the site rules as not only not accurate, but “ridiculous.”

http://thebernreport.com/bernie-sand...mock-election/

Just saw this this morning. :rtfm:
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Funny, they just reported on Morning Joe the syllabus Carson posted to prove the class existed was from 2002.
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nothing like a Monday morning chubby :lama:

True. The CNN claim was that the class never existed. The recent syllabus debunks that. Carson posted an artucle from the Yale paper, written at the time, that discussed the incident in question. Obviously it happened.

Again Spence, I cannot imagine any logic whereby Hilary's lies don't say anything about her qualifications to be POTUS, but Carson's do. There's absolutely no way you can justify that double standard.

Given the atricle in the Yale paper, it would appear Carson was telling the truth.

Given that (1) West Point had posters aimed at black students that mentioned "scholarships", and (2) given that Carson has said many times he never formally applied to West Point, and (3) given that no one but Carson and Gen Westmoreland heard the conversation between the 2, no one can come close to showing that Carson lied about that. At a minimum, it's fair to assume that Westmorland encouraged him to apply, suggesting he would get in, which obviously he would have. If Westmoreland said "if you apply, we'll give you a free ride to college", and Carson describes that as being offered a scholarship, did Carson lie?

The man said we should not have invaded Afghanistan after 9/11. If you want to destroy the man bacause he is such a threat, why can't you do it the fair way, and tell us why his policies would be bad for the country? Liberals almost never do that. It's always personal attacks. It's ridiculous.

You deny that Hilary lied about the sniper thing, when we have video evidence showing she did. Yet you are bending over backwards to portray this black man as a liar. I thought liberals claimed they cared about blacks, and it was the conservatives who were a bunch of racists? Geez, between your desperation to portray this black man as a liar, and the fact that your top 10 states have no blacks, I am sensing a pattern here.

I just heard that Carson confessed to the Lindbergh baby kidnapping, and that he is responsible for global warming.

A syllabus from 2002 doesn't prove a class existed in 1969.

Joe was brutal this morning...

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/wat...t-562551875764

No, but it proves the class existed. CNN said it never existed.

If you think he's lying about this, read the article from the Yale paper at the time. You sound like the conservative nuts who still say Obama wasn't born here.

Spence, any chance you can answer 2 questions? Any chance at all?

(1) Why do Hilary's lies not say anything about her, but Carson's do?

(2) Why do you think Obama has spent tens of thousands of dollars to seal his academic records? There is one reason, and one reason only, why someone does that. There's something in there he doesn't want anyone else to see. And no one in the media digs into what that is. But they are doing a complete forensic analysis of everything Carson has ever said and done. The hypocrisy is unbelievable. It's also undeniable.

My guess on Obama's sealed records - he claimed he was born in Kenya on his application, to improve his chances of getting in and getting financial aid. Liberals, like Elizabeth Warren (aka Apache Chief), like to self-identify as whatever race suits them at the time.

More but but Clinton.

CNN said that the class never existed bc Carson had the wrong # for the class.

Westmorland was never at the event where Carson claimed he talked to him. And even if he was, Westmoreland would not have been qualified to offer him a "scholarship".

Just another birther myth, Carson is REALLY desperate to be trotting that out.

Let's be clear...you are denying that Obama has not released his academic records? Can you tell me where I can see his transcripts?

Also, I see you completely dodged my first question. Why? Why can't you answer?

I point out obvious hypocrisy, Paul. Like when you accuse me of hate, you chastis eme for not being respectfulk to Hilary, yet yo uare free to us eth eterm "teabagger". I guessed i missed the announcement that only you get to hurl insults, my bad.

"Westmoreland would not have been qualified to offer him a "scholarship"

He would have been able to say "hey if you apply, you'll get a full scholarship". Anyone could have toild Carson that, and they would have been rightt.

I don't like Carson. But my opinion is based on his stated policy agenda, not dirt that yellow journalists are slinging.