"And I don't believe for a moment this was solely about a protest to leave statues up"

Agreed, for many of the Nazis, it was just an excuse to vent their garden-variety racist fantasies. I don't think there were too may noted historians in that crowd who were afraid of losing monuments to history.

"why the vile chants"

I can say the same exact thing about Black Lives Matter. Something about wanting dead cops. And they got it. There are jerks out there. That's why the vile chants.

"are the good people who marched w/the Neo Nazis"

I have absolutely no idea, I don't think that was a wise choice of words.

On the other hand, we could obliterate all traces of "offensive" notions in history and create utopia. Not. Basically, much of what humans are or do, is offensive. Some believe humans are an offense to the planet.

There is a lot of fake outrage out there, I agree with you. Paying tribute to those who committed treason for the purposes of maintaining slavery...I think it's worth having a conversation about whether or not that is cruel. I don't care what Webster says, it wasn't a noble cause. It was closer to pure evil, than it was to noble, in my opinion. Just my opinion, reasonable people can disagree, including one of my favorite reasonable people, Dr Condaleeza Rice.
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Couple things, some of the lore and some of the statues are for the people that led those that defended their homes and some are considered memorials to those that were led and perished. Yes, some use them as symbols of hate.

Many of these statues and those they were modeled after, were part of the recovery from that war. No matter how poorly done.

When the Civil War was over, Lincoln had great hopes to pull people back together and mend our country. That may have happened much better had not some fool actor and his conspirators murdered Lincoln.

Reconstruction after the war was horrible and furthered our division.

Personally, I think it is up to the people that live in the districts to determine, by vote if necessary, on whether or not to remove them from public grounds. Not for those of us far and away to decide for them.

On private grounds, that is more up to the individual facilities.

As a northerner I have no great connection to those leaders but I can learn from them and respect some of their acts while still deploring others.

But we cannot and should not remove history. Thirty years ago I went to Dachacu and it leaves an impression on me to this day. What would some future generation know about the atrocities of WWII and the real Nazis if that is removed?

"Before landing the Charlottesville mayor job he previously worked closely with Podesta at the Center of American Progress and worked with him again on Barack Obama’s State Department Transition Team.George Soros, Obama, Podesta, Hillary Clinton and company, are pulling out all the stops to create division through chaos and destruction for one purpose – to destroy President Donald Trump.
Crowds of paid protesters and useful psychopaths are being sent into pitched battle against one another to sour the mood of the nation and further divide us all."

Michael Signer, the mayor of Charlottesville, ordered police to stand down during the most chaotic and destructive period of the protests – despite police protests against the orders.





http://truthuncensored.net/charlotte...ace-war-video/

difficult to believe this is true but if the cops follow orders like sheep, maybe it is true. they want to destroy the country from within. I'm sure this will be reported on MSNBC shortly

listen to the video if you can

That is a hard one to believe
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The truth shall set you free.


http://www.snopes.com/were-police-to...arlottesville/
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Well, then there might be something to all that Faux media paranoia out there, because I had read that on a couple of other news websites.

Irresponsible journalism???
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Honestly, I'd say yes. The media has orgasms over stuff like this. Race tensions boost ratings and forget about click bait bs "news" sites that get shared all over Facebook.

All I know for sure is that someone wants the people of this country divided and bickering so we can not unite and see that there are some serious crooks fleecing this country at high levels of government... corrupt politicians, government contractors and business owners who are making bank off the back of the 99% of this country.

But those Mexicans!!!! They are the real problem. Bad hombres!!! ;)
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rally in Boston

tomorrow...http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/08/1...-preparations/

I read this article..the headline is BRILLIANT.....lots of consternation, posturing, warning and generally troubling concerns over the crisis of free speech...

it only mentions the organizers one time = "Boston Free Speech Coalition" ????....who????...sounds menacing

never heard of them...what ...like.....5 members registered online or something????

enough to close down the city of Boston for the day apparently?...a hateful word or phrase has yet to be muttered...


Southern Poverty Law Center(as offering advice to Mayor Knucklehead) is mentioned, and whom I've heard of and am very aware of their dubious dealings

what the hell is going on????

these fruitcake politicians and media milk this crap for all it's worth...if it's such a problem don't approve the freaking permit based on all of your moaning and kvetching ....

warning...warning...danger Will Robinson

And you KNOW who that someone is don't you? That's right, George Soros

maybe it is fake, maybe not
All I know is that as time passes, more conspiracy theories have turned out to be reality not theories.


Hopefully the rally in Boston doesn't end up violent of a piss bottle fight. I would not be within 20 miles of that place.

I think Soros is a tool and generates a lot of crap but I don't think he is behind every conspiracy, no more than Eben's Koch brothers....

If you don't think the koch brothers have dirty hands in things, your head is in the sand.
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I would love to hear how they are any different from, say, labor unions...they have huge money, and spend some to advocate for that which they think is right. And they give a ton to charity, but that can't matter.

Harry Reid has called them by name, on the floor of the US Senate, as being dangerous. He is supposed to serve them for Christs sake! Imagine never being even accused of a crime, but having a US Senator declare you to be the enemy...

Fake news... don't believe everything you say... Hard one to believe... Truth will set you free....

Koch Brothers have Dirty Hands!@!!!

:wave: :humpty: :huh:

Just like stand down order in benghazi

Labor unions work for their members (the little guy) the Koch brothers work for their own self interest..compare them to Soros if you like but your anti labor connections are way off base

wrong place

Labor unions ARE the members. Saying that the unions work for their members is saying that the members are working for themselves, for, as you say, their own self interest.

Koch Brothers have created wealth out of the work for their own self interest, much of which is distributed (paid) to various unions and "little guys." They have also funded millions to charities as well as supporting cultural entities such as the arts. That is, "little guys" have benefitted from the self interest of the Koch's in many ways. The Koch's have fiscally and culturally profited society through the profits they generated in their self interest.

The "little guys" provided the labor to help the Koch's do their work.

I like what Mitt Romney said whether he's intended to or not what he communicated caused racist to Rejoice, minorities to weep, and the vast Heart of America to mourn. His apologists train to explain that it didn't mean what we heard but what we heard is now the reality, and unless it is addressed by the president as such with unprecedented kander and strength through May commence and unraveling of our national fabric
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Do you have the same opinion about Soros ??

"Koch brothers work for their own self interest"

They have over 100,000 employees. Seems to me, that what's good for the company, is good for plenty of little guys.

Here in CT, we have unionized UCONN professors with pensions above $300k year, and the state just stopped funding military honors at funerals for deceased vets.

Those awesome unions, just looking out for the little guy. They did wonders for the little guys in Detroit.

The Koch brothers aren't bankrupting any states. But labor unions sure as hell are.

Couldn't help but notice ,in Boston , those attacking people carrying the Israeli flag were the same ones opposing Nazis . Ironic
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What Nazis?
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The country is swarming with them… Pay attention man
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Just saw a guy on FB post a photo of his new IWB holster so he can kill Nazis. Full blown Antifa / Bernie supporter.

Don't get near that guy and be mistaken for a Nazi :eek:
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He's white and he grew up in Germany......that's good enough for them. :hee:
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Nazi/Neo Nazi?

Is that what we should be focusing on here.

How about Nazis/Not Nazis

I think I'm going to invent a new word:

Notzis - Its what you call a bunch of white people, gathered in a public place, that you go to protest for being Nazis....but then find out......they're Not

Sorry, not following. So the neo nazis where not nazis so all is good w/our President's comments?

Obviously you're not following, you're still on last weeks conversation. :hee: we started talking about the Boston events. Probably should be a separate thread, but you know how things roll here.

I usually don't look on nights or weekends so I fall behind.

Why should I have an opinion on Soros? I don't recall if I have said much, if anything about him. I was trying to make a rational response to your idiotic characterizations of the Koch's and unions.

Obviously Trump was wrong. It's not about many sides or all sides. It's only about white supremacists:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mas...D=ansmsnnews11

Since 911 number of people killed by 28 people were killed as a result of white supremacist by A Ntifa ZERO


Another False equivalence

Oh, so if you go by absolute numbers, can we presume you have told Black Lives Matter to stop worrying about white cops, and concentrate on black-on-black violence? After all, which causes more deaths?

Obviously, we need to prioritize our efforts. That doesn't mean that we can't condemn violence by white supremacists, as well as violence by lefty anarchists. In fact, that's exactly what our President did, if memory serves.

You walked right into that one...

Your "False equivalence" accusation is false equivalence. I did not propose an equivalence.

I don't know which violent groups are more equal than the others. Certainly, comparing the number of people killed "as a result of white supremacist[s]" (all such groups?, and what does as a result of mean?) in the last 16 years to a fairly new violence perpetrated by one group (in the past year or two?) is questionable, if not downright misleading.

And it doesn't have anything to do with my post.

I was just pointing out how wrong Trump was when he called out all sides for violence. Obviously, only white supremacists have been violent.

Yes, all the white supremacists who rioted in Ferguson.