26 min? What did he say???

I wondered what point your NY Times/Guardian article was trying to make.

Lionel's style can be torturous, but hundreds of thousands of people don't have trouble understanding what he says. The last couple of minutes in the video wraps it up pretty clearly. The Cambridge Analytica stuff is nothing.

I agree with one of his closing statements, that data and information and the social media are the new weapons and guess what; Putin figured that one out years ago. That is why to me it's a bits disappointing that we seem to be playing catch-up, while Putin is relentless in seeing how deeply he can get into our vulnerable utilities, or how much he can mess with us in any way to cause unrest.

The Russian investigation has merit based on the fact that a percentage of the voting public are voting based on some level of influence Russian bots might have had on their perception of facts, truth and real positions of the candidates. Whether there was collusion or not, we are involved in a dangerous cyber war across the globe and we better get smart and harden our defenses.

I see, so the Trump campaign using stolen data in a social media scheme (via a company with ties to Russia and Ukraine) to influence the election is "nothing."

Was the information "stolen"? Did Facebook adequately protect the info? Did the Trump campaign steal anything? The rising hubbub seems to be aimed at Facebook for careless handling of info. Was anything that was done illegal? Is this something actually new?

Lionel is an experienced trial lawyer. He said it was not illegal. Check with him.

Yes, some 50 million users were misled into giving up personal information and then the firm subsequently lied repeatedly about it. The effort was led by Steve Bannon who became Trump's chief strategist.

Muller has requested all correspondence.

Another piece of the puzzle.

This is a lot of energy dedicated to a country which Obama said stopped being a foreign policy concern, about the time that 'Miami Vice' went off the air.

That's a good one. Misleading and lying are crimes. Whos left in politics that is not a criminal?

A former Obama campaign official is claiming that Facebook knowingly allowed them to mine massive amounts of Facebook data — more than they would’ve allowed someone else to do — because they were supportive of the campaign.

In a Sunday tweet thread, Carol Davidsen, former director of integration and media analytics for Obama for America, said the 2012 campaign led Facebook to “suck out the whole social graph” and target potential voters.

The Daily Caller: "If Davidsen’s accusation is indeed true, it could prove a serious problem for Facebook. In the case of the Trump campaign, Facebook’s allowance for the misuse of its data was an accidental oversight; as far as the Obama campaign goes, it appears that it was completely intentional."

It appears that no laws were broken in either case, but that Facebook is the entity that has the problem of not properly securing its customer's data.

Sounds like the Obama campaign was using available methods at the time while the firm Trump employed tricked users into providing information by claiming it was for research.

Not the same.

No, it's not the same. Facebook willingly allowed the data mining of its users by the Obama administration. Not sure why that is ethical or not misleading. It sounds like Facebook allowed itself to be politicized, in spite of its unbiased face to the public. Kinda tricky, dontcha think?

If Cambridge Analytica used trickery, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT ALLOWED ACCESS AS WAS O's ADMIN., then trickery was necessary in order to have the same access. And trickery is not a crime.

But I get it. If you prefer the goose to the gander, then it's OK if the goose does it.

actually...according to the article Facebook was tricked into providing the info but didn't complain because they were supporting the Chosen One

Spence thinks Obama is a World Class Golfer too....

Data mining of users is part of the platform. It's how FB makes money. Their privacy policies also evolve and what was allowed under Obama wasn't the same as what was allowed just prior to Trump, via Steve Bannon when the data was collected.

The accusation being reported here is that the firm, established with right wing money used a sham research app to collect user data without notifying said users it was for political purposes.

FB certainly has some questions to answer but so does CA, Bannon and the Trump Campaign. Mr. Mueller is asking.

I thought it was interesting that the Obama campaign was actually the first to pay Fusion GPS through the same law firm that the Hillary campaign used to pay them to dig dirt and smear Romney...seem the pure and fabulous Obama was actually setting all sorts of standards for sneaky and bad behavior...

1st Commandment in Spenceworld

if Democrats do it it's brilliant strategy....if Republicans do it it's criminal and probably treasonous.....


makes most of what he writes make sense...

http://thehill.com/policy/technology...sex-workers-to

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Now we have gone from but Hillary to but Obama
Now DiGenova is going to claim it is all a plot to discredit the very credible Donald Trump.
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What was illegal?

Is this some sort of free verse poem?

They must be looking for jelly beans.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-k-see...45870?mod=e2fb

Sounds like they're looking for a crime. What was illegal. And who was the criminal?

He went on to describe how political candidates are manipulated.

“They don’t understand because the candidate never, is never involved. He’s told what to do by the campaign team.” The reporter asks if that means the candidate is just a puppet, and Nix replies simply: “Always.”
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So Obama and Trump were just puppets who didn't know what was going on?

His comment was about Nix so why are you conflating Obama and Trump. That's quite slimy and pretty dishonest.

Nix claims that for Trump
I didn’t realize he was involved in the Obama campaign, is that what you are insinuating?
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More WOW

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/21/polit...ons/index.html

didn't Obama congratulate Putin?...never mind...I'm sure that was completely different

It doesn't matter if it was leaked , but it confirms what so many are reporting, that he doesn't take advice from anyone; he has no clue why congratulating Putin was so wrong. He felt it was important to do so, because the broomance is more important in his mind, than showing Putin we in America know that election was a big farce.

Yes it was.

Don't forget when Obama congratulated the Islamic brotherhood candidate when winning Egypts' Presidential election in 2012, in 2013 the winner in Iran and 2014 in Turkey.

Same difference


Maybe people did not like that and kept quiet, then spoke with their votes. But I am sure there was a lot more to it as well all know better. :deadhorse:

I would think that Russia has been more of a “Bad actor” since 2012
Ukraine
Syria
Britain
I’m sure Tom Cotton has a list
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Disagree - other than a few years from 1992-2006 they have been pretty much the same for a few hundred years.

i would disagree with that.
Russia under Gorbachev was on a path to reform, growth and freedom. He realized that you cannot just change a government from state run to capitalism and democracy easily. He lost out to the nationalists just like is happening here.

Haha - I can at least agree with the Gorby part - so 1985-2006 ; )

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I guess he still hasn't accepted they attacked us had agents on the Ground used nerve agent on our longest allied ... and his and his supporters defense is Obama did it LOL

if Obama would have called Putin under the exact circumstances your heads would have exploded ..

even fox wasn't supporting him http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...an-leader.html

on breitbart same topic their lead

deep-state-officials-leak-dissent-president-donald-trump-congratulates-putin/

Different.

I blame this whole uproar about Trump having notes saying don't congratulate Putin on the stupid aide who wrote the note. That aide should be fired. They should have just wrote it on his hand in marker like Palin did.
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Morsi won the first democratic election ever in Egypt. He promoted democracy. Obama congratulated him on what was widely consider a fair and legitimate democratic election.The party does have Muslim in the name which scares people, but they are more of a problem to Sunnis than they are for the US. I know he got tossed, but before that Tillerson made it clear that the brotherhood did not deserve to be lumped in with terrorist organizations.

Rouhani is a reformist. The Ayatollah s probably like him less than the us.
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Muslim Brotherhood is not more of a problem for Sunnis - well other than they tend to be Sunni and make Sunnis do dumb things. They are pretty much a threat to most people as well as a brake on progress in the region.

Sure they are not all bad guys like they are good people and bad people in Hamas, not everyone in Sinn Fein was an IRA terrorist Bomber, and Hamas has a few Girl Scouts too.

Where do you get your info??

Iran, Ayotollah, like US, really?