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scottw 02-23-2019 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1162811)
Eisenhower?


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I was talking current......

Jim in CT 02-23-2019 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1162812)
I was talking current......

that’s the
most current one i can think of.
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Jim in CT 02-23-2019 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1162812)
I was talking current......

Senator Tom Cotton, R-AR. cum laude graduate of harvard and harvard law, decorated combat officer in the army in afghanistan. he’s going places.
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Jim in CT 02-23-2019 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1162812)
I was talking current......

Senator Tom Cotton, R-AR. cum laude graduate of harvard and harvard law, decorated combat officer in the army in afghanistan. he’s going places.
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Pete F. 03-26-2019 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1162393)
Never heard of this poor guy before this hoax (assuming that's what it was), feel bad for the guy, probably a desperate cry for attention and sympathy.

ONCE AGAIN, the media and the far left (sorry for the redundancy there) saw an opportunity to smear the right, and jumped the gun before anything like due process took place.

HOW MANY TIMES do these morons have to end up with egg on their faces, before they just wait for investigations to take place? Duke lacrosse, hands up don't shoot, the Rolling Stone U-VA rape case, the Covington kids, now this.

This is a great opportunity for us to collectively take a deep breath, and start over. But it won't happen, Trump Derangement Syndrome is way too powerful.

Hope this guy doesn't commit suicide. Pathetic.

Now they have dropped the charges.
Sometimes things are not as they seem and morons rush to judgement.
Perhaps you should have taken a deep breath.
I know it's hard being a victim.

Sea Dangles 03-26-2019 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1164501)
Now they have dropped the charges.
Sometimes things are not as they seem and morons rush to judgement.
Perhaps you should have taken a deep breath.
I know it's hard being a victim.

That’s great, did you hear OJ was innocent too?
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wdmso 03-26-2019 10:58 AM

Will Jim now support him if he files a law suite against those who spoke poorly about him? like Nick Sandmann, the Covington Catholic High School student..
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The Dad Fisherman 03-26-2019 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1164501)
Sometimes things are not as they seem and morons rush to judgement.

Maybe they should have gotten Meuller to investigate

PaulS 03-26-2019 12:03 PM

Seems stupid to let him off.

Jim in CT 03-26-2019 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1164501)
Now they have dropped the charges.
Sometimes things are not as they seem and morons rush to judgement.
Perhaps you should have taken a deep breath.
I know it's hard being a victim.

not sure if you can read, but my post which you quoted, specifically says i feel bad for the guy, and specifically says i don’t know what happened.

swing and a miss...
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Jim in CT 03-26-2019 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1164503)
Will Jim now support him if he files a law suite against those who spoke poorly about him? like Nick Sandmann, the Covington Catholic High School student..
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there’s hours of video evidence showing that Sandman did nothing wrong, and that the media was lying to serve the liberal narrative.

this actor paid two friends to attack him, and claimed it was white trump supporters. is any of that in dispute?
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Jim in CT 03-26-2019 12:55 PM

we know that state’s attorney Fixx had previously been contacted by a Smoklett relative who worked on Michelle Obama’s staff. surely that played no role.

Time for the feds to investigate whether or not he mailed that letter to himself that had white powder on it. if it did, try him, convict him, then trump should
pardon him, and then everyone at MSNBC and CNN will jump off a cliff.
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Pete F. 03-26-2019 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1164518)
not sure if you can read, but my post which you quoted, specifically says i feel bad for the guy, and specifically says i don’t know what happened.

swing and a miss...
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As you claimed in your post, which I read, perhaps you did not, so for your edification I will quote it here.
"HOW MANY TIMES do these morons have to end up with egg on their faces, before they just wait for investigations to take place? Duke lacrosse, hands up don't shoot, the Rolling Stone U-VA rape case, the Covington kids, now this."

Of course he's been exonerated now, that's defined as not going forward with a prosecution in your book, isn't it?

https://abovethelaw.com/2019/03/juss...-no-collusion/

The Dad Fisherman 03-26-2019 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1164527)
we know that state’s attorney Fixx had previously been contacted by a Smoklett relative who worked on Michelle Obama’s staff. surely that played no role.

Time for the feds to investigate whether or not he mailed that letter to himself that had white powder on it. if it did, try him, convict him, then trump should
pardon him, and then everyone at MSNBC and CNN will jump off a cliff.
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I found it interesting that all charges were dropped but yet he voluntarily forfieted his bail. That is a tad strange.

The Dad Fisherman 03-26-2019 01:40 PM

Doesn't look like its going to be all sunshine and unicorns.

10:45 AM PT -- Mayor Rahm Emanuel is very strongly hinting at corruption in the State's Attorney's Office, calling the decision to drop the charges against Smollett a "whitewash of justice."

The Mayor added, "From top to bottom, this is not on the level." He called for accountability from the prosecutors.

Emanuel was joined by Chicago PD Superintendent Eddie Johnson who said he didn't feel justice was served by letting Smollett off the hook.

What's more, Johnson said if Jussie was, in fact, innocent ... he should've taken his day in court, and not broker a backdoor deal in secrecy. Bigger picture -- Johnson feels the City of Chicago is still owed an apology, as he believes Jussie carried out a hoax.

Jim in CT 03-26-2019 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1164533)
I found it interesting that all charges were dropped but yet he voluntarily forfieted his bail. That is a tad strange.

The prosecutors said it's not an exoneration, almost sounds like they fined him $10,000 and called it a day. Then they sealed the file, so we may never know what the heck happened.

Jim in CT 03-26-2019 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1164532)
As you claimed in your post, which I read, perhaps you did not, so for your edification I will quote it here.
"HOW MANY TIMES do these morons have to end up with egg on their faces, before they just wait for investigations to take place? Duke lacrosse, hands up don't shoot, the Rolling Stone U-VA rape case, the Covington kids, now this."

Of course he's been exonerated now, that's defined as not going forward with a prosecution in your book, isn't it?

https://abovethelaw.com/2019/03/juss...-no-collusion/

"Of course he's been exonerated now"

The hell he has. The prosecutors specifically said, "this is not an exoneration".

Paul, we know he said it was white guys wearing MAGA hats who attacked him, we know in reality it was black friends of his, we know he paid them, we know they bought the rope. We know he refused to turn over his phone, and when he did, it had been cleansed. Is any of that in dispute?

Let's let the FBI look into whether or not he emailed the letter to himself with white powder. I will happily live with whatever they conclude.

Jim in CT 03-26-2019 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1164532)
As you claimed in your post, which I read, perhaps you did not, so for your edification I will quote it here.
"HOW MANY TIMES do these morons have to end up with egg on their faces, before they just wait for investigations to take place? Duke lacrosse, hands up don't shoot, the Rolling Stone U-VA rape case, the Covington kids, now this."

Of course he's been exonerated now, that's defined as not going forward with a prosecution in your book, isn't it?

https://abovethelaw.com/2019/03/juss...-no-collusion/

the people with egg on their faces, are the monsters in the media who yet again, rushed to judgment and spun the story in a way to bash Trump supporters, and also to fan the flames of racial unrest. it’s disgusting.

the prosecutors specifically said its not an exoneration, and that they believe he lied to the police. there’s absolutely no way of knowing what happened, but if he was exonerated, he’d get his bail back, wouldn’t he?
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Jim in CT 03-26-2019 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1164538)
Doesn't look like its going to be all sunshine and unicorns.

10:45 AM PT -- Mayor Rahm Emanuel is very strongly hinting at corruption in the State's Attorney's Office, calling the decision to drop the charges against Smollett a "whitewash of justice."

The Mayor added, "From top to bottom, this is not on the level." He called for accountability from the prosecutors.

Emanuel was joined by Chicago PD Superintendent Eddie Johnson who said he didn't feel justice was served by letting Smollett off the hook.

What's more, Johnson said if Jussie was, in fact, innocent ... he should've taken his day in court, and not broker a backdoor deal in secrecy. Bigger picture -- Johnson feels the City of Chicago is still owed an apology, as he believes Jussie carried out a hoax.

Jussie has a family member who worked for Michelle Obama. This family member reaches out to the lead prosecutor, who then recused herself from the case.

now the file is sealed. very strange.

and he’s not out of the woods with the feds because he likely mailed himself a letter with white powder, and given the vindictive nature of Trump, if i was this jerk actor, i’d be expecting a visit from the FBI.
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scottw 03-26-2019 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1164532)

Of course he's been exonerated now

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you can't be this dumb

Sea Dangles 03-26-2019 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1164552)
you can't be this dumb

Constantly providing proof
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Jim in CT 03-26-2019 05:07 PM

Prosecutors are saying he forfeited his bond, and tjeybagreed to drop the charges in response
to community service he has done. That's not an exoneration, but not what you'd expect if he was convicted either.

Very strange.

Bring on the feds.

Pete F. 03-27-2019 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1164550)
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the prosecutors specifically said its not an exoneration, and that they believe he lied to the police. there’s absolutely no way of knowing what happened, but if he was exonerated, he’d get his bail back, wouldn’t he?
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I thought it worked like this:

No Collusion, No Obstruction, Complete and Total EXONERATION. KEEP AMERICA GREAT!

“while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

Sea Dangles 03-27-2019 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1164583)
I thought it worked like this:

No Collusion, No Obstruction, Complete and Total EXONERATION. KEEP AMERICA GREAT!

“while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

Stop confirming your lack of comprehension PeteF. Unless you are just being contrarian. In which case you have accomplished nothing. Go play with more straws.
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Jim in CT 03-27-2019 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1164583)
I thought it worked like this:

No Collusion, No Obstruction, Complete and Total EXONERATION. KEEP AMERICA GREAT!

“while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

here’s the thing. there’s no evidence trump colluded. there’s all kinds of evidence that Smlet stages this.

what do you think happened here? what do you think is the most likely story? is it more likely that he truly staged this, or that the police framed him for that?


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detbuch 03-27-2019 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1164583)
I thought it worked like this:

No Collusion, No Obstruction, Complete and Total EXONERATION. KEEP AMERICA GREAT!

“while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

If the Special Counsel did not conclude that Trump committed a crime, then there could not be an indictment. The matter was thoroughly investigated. There was no crime found. End of matter. Nothing more need, nor should, be said. There is no need to "exonerate" someone for what has not been concluded to be a crime. And the DOJ concluded that there was not sufficient evidence to prosecute for a crime. The DOJ's conclusion was part of the whole process of the investigation. Therefor, part of the final report.

Sea Dangles 03-27-2019 10:42 AM

Ha, the state AG recuses herself and the assistant AG drops the charges and proclaims that Smollet is guilty.
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Pete F. 03-27-2019 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1164593)
If the Special Counsel did not conclude that Trump committed a crime, then there could not be an indictment. The matter was thoroughly investigated. There was no crime found.
Barr reported this “the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election”
End of matter. Nothing more need, nor should, be said. There is no need to "exonerate" someone for what has not been concluded to be a crime. And the DOJ concluded that there was not sufficient evidence to prosecute for a crime. The DOJ's conclusion was part of the whole process of the investigation. Therefor, part of the final report.

What we currently know about the Mueller report is as conclusive as what we know about Benghazi and the email investigation.
Lock him up

Jim in CT 03-27-2019 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1164599)
What we currently know about the Mueller report is as conclusive as what we know about Benghazi and the email investigation.
Lock him up

Pete, do you think Smullett staged this?

Pete F. 03-27-2019 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1164603)
Pete, do you think Smullett staged this?

Waiting for due process to take place :fishslap:

Jim in CT 03-27-2019 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1164599)
What we currently know about the Mueller report is as conclusive as what we know about Benghazi and the email investigation.
Lock him up

Even if they can prove he colluded (which they can't), there is question about whether or not that's even a crime.

Jim in CT 03-27-2019 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1164605)
Waiting for due process to take place :fishslap:

It did take place, it's done. So what do you think happened?

We get it, you don't want to answer. because if you say he staged it (which he obviously did), you go against the narrative, and liberals can't do that. If you say you don't think he staged it, you know you look stupid.

detbuch 03-27-2019 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1164599)
What we currently know about the Mueller report is as conclusive as what we know about Benghazi and the email investigation.
Lock him up

I don't know WTF you're trying to say here. It is often dizzying trying to follow your trains of thought. Your brain seems to be wired differently than usual humans. Perhaps you are a superior form of life.

As far as I know, there were no special counsels appointed to investigate Benghazi or Hillary's emails. Nonetheless, incorporating your whataboutisms (it seems that you and wdmso are constantly allowed whataboutisms but others of us are chided against doing so) are you saying that either both Trump and Hillary should be locked up, or that neither of them should?

Could you please clarify?

Pete F. 03-27-2019 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1164611)

As far as I know, there were no special counsels appointed to investigate Benghazi or Hillary's emails.
Investigations only count if you employ a special counsel?Nonetheless, incorporating your whataboutisms (it seems that you and wdmso are constantly allowed whataboutisms but others of us are chided against doing so) are you saying that either both Trump and Hillary should be locked up, or that neither of them should?

Could you please clarify?


Pretty simple, perhaps both should be locked up using Trump's logic

Both Benghazi and the email issue were investigated and no indictments issued
Never stopped the opposition from calling: Lock them up

What is the difference between those investigations and this one, other than that the same people are now on the opposite sides?

Pete F. 03-27-2019 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1164607)
It did take place, it's done. So what do you think happened?

We get it, you don't want to answer. because if you say he staged it (which he obviously did), you go against the narrative, and liberals can't do that. If you say you don't think he staged it, you know you look stupid.

I don't see a conviction, or even a trial and right now Smollet is doing a Trump imitation in the media, proclaiming his innocence, pretty comical that you find that upsetting and think I should prejudge him and he should be hung without due process.
As you said, and I quote: "HOW MANY TIMES do these morons have to end up with egg on their faces, before they just wait for investigations to take place?"

Sea Dangles 03-27-2019 12:53 PM

PeteF. Is dizzy from chasing his tail.
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Jim in CT 03-27-2019 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1164615)
I don't see a conviction, or even a trial and right now Smollet is doing a Trump imitation in the media, proclaiming his innocence, pretty comical that you find that upsetting and think I should prejudge him and he should be hung without due process.
As you said, and I quote: "HOW MANY TIMES do these morons have to end up with egg on their faces, before they just wait for investigations to take place?"

You didn't answer the question I asked.

Do you think he staged the attack? The answer is yes or no.

detbuch 03-27-2019 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1164613)
Pretty simple, perhaps both should be locked up using Trump's logic

Both Benghazi and the email issue were investigated and no indictments issued
Never stopped the opposition from calling: Lock them up

What is the difference between those investigations and this one, other than that the same people are now on the opposite sides?

Whether they are or not, special counsels are not ostensibly politically driven. Congressional investigations are. That's why, as in Benghazi, the opinions of what was "found" were quite contrary. And Hillary's failure in Benghazi was not a crime, nor treason, nor conspiracy, but just plain incompetence. Incompetence is not an indictable offense. And neither investigation, Benghazi nor the emails, required under oath interviews subject to perjury traps. The lenience given to Hillary and those around her in the email investigation was not afforded in Mueller's investigation. People like Flynn and Papadopoulos were convicted of silly process crimes that Hillary's people were spared from being subjected to. In the email investigation there was no attempt to squeeze witnesses into "singing" and "composing" or facing criminal charges or worse convictions .

Comparing the thoroughness, intensity and strictness of Mueller's investigation to the laxity of the email scandal "investigation" is a farce.

Pete F. 03-27-2019 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1164618)
You didn't answer the question I asked.

Do you think he staged the attack? The answer is yes or no.

I don't know what happened, I have seen zero evidence and only heard hearsay, somehow you have now tried him and found him guilty, all by yourself.
What court did you do this in?
Or did you do this with the assistance of Faux and Judge Carlson?
Or did I miss this elsewhere in the news?

Pete F. 03-27-2019 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1164619)
Whether they are or not, special counsels are not ostensibly politically driven. Congressional investigations are. That's why, as in Benghazi, the opinions of what was "found" were quite contrary. And Hillary's failure in Benghazi was not a crime, nor treason, nor conspiracy, but just plain incompetence. Incompetence is not an indictable offense. And neither investigation, Benghazi nor the emails, required under oath interviews subject to perjury traps. The lenience given to Hillary and those around her in the email investigation was not afforded in Mueller's investigation. People like Flynn and Papadopoulos were convicted of silly process crimes that Hillary's people were spared from being subjected to. In the email investigation there was no attempt to squeeze witnesses into "singing" and "composing" or facing criminal charges or worse convictions .

Comparing the thoroughness, intensity and strictness of Mueller's investigation to the laxity of the email scandal "investigation" is a farce.

Benghazi was investigated by a Republican Congress for a cost of 7 million and yielded a bunch of footstomping, it did later downstream result in Comey's announcement during the campaign of continuing investigation into her emails. Some here would claim this was an FBI plot to somehow aid her campaign.
Perhaps you feel that the rule of law only applies in some cases and white lies don't count, since they didn't hurt anyone. Flynn and Papadopulos both plead guilty, didn't they?
Perhaps the danger of leaking emails pales in comparison to Russian interference in our elections and therefor needed a different level of investigation in comparison to Benghazi.
Mueller is likely the most qualified and competent investigator in this country.
I want to see his report, not the parsed comments of a political appointee.


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