his son may have benefitted enormously.

and if ukraine investigates biden, wed all benefit. some people
may not feel this way when politics is concerned, but there's value in learning truth.

think of it this way, if the ukrainians investigated biden and found that the biden’s did nothing wrong, then what does trump gain? zilch. it makes trump look stupid.

make that wrong.
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and biden did benefit, he was able to brag in front of cameras, very trump-like actually, about how he flexed his muscles and got a guy fired. it gave biden something to put on his resume
and brag about, which he did.

biden benefitted in political capital, just as trump would have if biden was investigated and found to be corrupt.

they all do things that benefit themselves politically. it’s only problematic when trump does it.

you can’t win this, not based on what we now know.
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This is a switch from criminal prosecution to which your "prosecutor's explanation" referred, to impeachment. Criminal standards and impeachment "standards" (if there are any), as they are currently practiced, are not the same.

And Trump wasn't asking Ukraine to impede an investigation, but to conduct one.

CHRIS WALLACE: Aid was released 2 days after the IG informed the House about the whistleblower. It wasn't released until the story was out

KELLYANNE CONWAY: You're trying to make that causation. It may be coincidence

CW: You really think that's a coincidence?

KC: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Biden did it in public all in the open with support from Congress and allies
Trump did it in private with a backchannel investigation and made a phone call that even Bolton was wound about and numerous people said was wrong and refused to tell Congress why the aid was being held
You don’t have a prayer
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You're getting more and more desperate to differentiate. Here's what you are currently saying. You're saying it's OK to withhold aid to get a foreign power to do something that benefits you, as long as you do it in the open. But doing it behind closed doors, is an impeachable offense. Do I have that right? You're the first person I've heard say that. Everyone in DC is saying that the quid pro quo itself was impeachable, never mind that Biden obviously did it too.

I don't need to have a prayer, I'm not that married to either side. No matter what happens, I'm not going to have a breakdown.

But let's clarify, hen you say I don't have a prayer, what do you mean - that he's going to get removed from office?

If you think those two are equal, he really could shoot someone on 5th Avenue. More and more people will tell the truth or “flip” as Trump calls it.
If you think he is thought of as a desirable President by the majority of the Republican Senators you don’t understand politicians. They all know there’s more there there.
He will be Impeached and convicted in the Senate.
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🍔🙅🏿#^&♂️
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🍑🤡
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Consciousness of guilty.

Sleaziest admin. in our lifetime.

any president inviting a foreign government to interfere in an election.

Not sure what part of this Trump supporters dont accept

Its like being on Tinder and telling your. Wife whats the problem we only talked.. which may be100% accurate.. but OMG what a pathetic defense..

Just like they eventually got the money.. whats the big deal. Yet ignoring why is was with held to start with.. and why congress wasnt aware of it being with held.
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And Trump is saying that the WB id should be revealed - telling people to break the law.

Cesspool.

better get you prescriptions filled and buckle in for 4 more years...:shocked:

I did take an aleve yesterday for a stiff neck after a long bike ride. 1st pill I think I've taken in about 10 years other than vitamins. Gonna start w/centrum silver soon:wave:

Your right in that if the economy holds up, Trump may win another term.

you dodged my question. one does that when they know they’ve backed themselves into a corner.

you stated that the difference was that biden did it ( “it” being, threatening to withhold aid to get a foreign power to do something which would benefit him politically, in the open), while trump
did it privately. your words, not mine.
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I didn't dodge your question, you just cannot accept that the Con man did anything wrong.

The difference is Trump committed Extortion, Bribery and Abuse of Power by using the money appropriated by Congress to try and get dirt on his opponent and has demonstrated consciousness of guilt by engaging in a coverup and other examples of obstruction.

Biden did his job.

Was there an attempted coverup?
Why was the file hidden in a secret server?
Why was Vindman told not to discuss the call?
Why did the OGC feel it necessary to hide the conversation?
Why was the aid released 2 days after the whistleblower report was made and very shortly after the IG went to the OGC with the report?

Then name one piece of “false information” in the whistleblower complaint. One.

Now Trump's retreat is falling back from Biden did it also, to alternative facts.

Trump's new demand that Rs falsify congressional testimony shows how his propaganda works:

1) Trump/Rs claim that witnesses testified in private collapsed

2) When transcripts show that's BS, media has moved on

3) Trump/Rs are directed to substitute a set of lies, there's a tweet for that

Now his latest idea is to threaten to shut down the Government.
Threatening that unless Congress stops impeaching you is exactly the kind of behavior one should be impeached for.

The facade and walls of the malignant narcissist deranged conman are crumbling, piece by piece.

You've compiled a very impressive list of talking points. You're very good at that.

first you dodged, now you’re
moving the goalposts. last time you said trump was only wrong because he committed his extortion behind closed doors. now you’re changing you tune.

trump and biden each extorted a foreign power to get said power to do something that would help them
politically.

you can’t make that wrong. you cannot.
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Exactly. They got the money. So Zelensky doesn't have to conduct the investigation. He's got the money. And Trump made it known why the money was withheld. And he spoke to at least one Congressman about it.

My tune has never changed, it's just that Trump is so corrupt that it is hard to keep track of all his egregious actions.

What benefit did Trump's employers (the people) receive for his pursuit of the investigation of Biden?
If this was of benefit to the citizens of the United States Trump's attempt to do the following things would be explained in what manner to paraphrase you as "right"? you cannot.

Why was there an attempted coverup?
Why was the file hidden in a secret server?
Why was Vindman told not to discuss the call?
Why did the OGC feel it necessary to hide the conversation?
Why was the aid released 2 days after the whistleblower report was made and very shortly after the IG went to the OGC with the report?
Show one instance where the Trump administration was concerned about corruption that didn't involve a political opponent.

If there are correct, or noble reasons to do this it is easily explained and sunlight would show that there was no issue, however the WH is stonewalling the investigation in every way possible.

If the White House were confident that the soon-to-be-released impeachment inquiry transcripts would exonerate Trump, he wouldn't be panicking.

So, going in, the assumption is that Trump is guilty. No doubt that a well choreographed inquiry specifically composed to produce a picture of that assumption is soon-to-be-released.

the benefit we’d receive from investigating the biden’s, is the learning the truth about what they did there. if trump requested an investigation, and it turned out Biden didn’t do
anything, trump would look stupid. he had nothing to gain from a phony investigation that didn’t conclude wrongdoing.

yes you’re changing your tune.
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I never said Trump wasn't stupid, stupidity is not a valid defense. He may get away with incompetence as a defense.

We as the government of the people, by the people, for the people investigate things all the time. We have laws, rules, regulations and people to do that and it is done every day. The FBI and CIA have no equal in the world.

Instead of learning how to manage the bureaucracy, Trump prefers to make an end-run around them. That’s what got him into trouble in Ukraine, where Rudy Giuliani was running a parallel foreign policy outside the normal channels in order to promote a conspiracy theory that the professionals in the bureaucracy refused to embrace.

Here's the link for the first two transcripts (not Memos) of witness testimony.

https://intelligence.house.gov/news/...DocumentID=757

It will all play out, though you won't read it just like the Mueller Report.

The first transcripts are out.

https://intelligence.house.gov/news/...DocumentID=757

Perhaps you can read them while listening to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5npBnIqnRdg

So here is a shocker,PeteF thinks he has uncovered yet even more evidence of wrongdoing by Trump. Thank you for sharing this nothing burger. I am confident it will leave you confused as usual.
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The full transcripts were not shown. Only selected excerpts. Selected by whom? Were any of the selected questions asked by Republicans?

I tried to pour through the Yovanovitch selections which were opinions of her perceptions. I couldn't submit myself to try the selected excerpts of McKinley. Like I said, well choreographed.

Wow nice kool aid moustache
Completion of the quid pro quo is irrelevant.

Trump's attorneys claim that as president, he is immune from criminal investigation

Got a comment on that postition ?
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There is no point in making a comment to you. I have learned that you are immune from my comments.

Keep in mind
Trump is a genius but you can't see his grades
Trump is healthy but you can't see his medical report
Trump is rich but you can't see his tax returns
Trump is innocent but you can't see the unedited transcript
Trump is honest but you can't question the White House lawyers
Good luck with that
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Well since her 2nd and 3rd points are incorrect
I’ll say she’s full of ..it
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2nd point may be a stretch, and 3rd is in dispute. First point is OK and I like the rest of the video. I didn't expect you to approve.

BTW, your five "Trump is" points that we are supposed to keep in mind are full of ..it.

And again, it's obvious that the whistleleaker wasn't motivated by an overarching concern for the nation, he was concerned that his involvement and coordination with DNC operative Alexandra Chalupa would be exposed by any investigation into the in Ukraine interference in our 2016 election, which is directly attributable to Chalupa's actions.

It is obvious that the whistleleaker was given a readout of the call by Vindman. After Vindman admitted he gave multiple people copies of the readout, Rep. Jordan asked him who he gave copies to; Schiff immediately shut down questioning and ordered Vindman not to answer, claiming the identity of the whistleleaker was at risk.

Vindman was the genesis of all this and his stated motivation, that he was, "deeply troubled by what he interpreted as an attempt by the President to subvert U.S. foreign policy" is either a ruse or an act of insubordination.

Doesn't this dumb clerk understand that the President is the sole authority to establish and implement US foreign policy? Whatever Vindman's subjective characterization is of the President's performance during the call, Vindman's opinion of it is of zero consequence or importance.

Vindman's actions, by sharing the "troubles" he had with the call, was and is the real subversion of US foreign policy. That he shared the classified readout of the call with other (yet unnamed) subversives, should be treated as the criminal offense it is, under both civilian law and the UCMJ.


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To top it all off, nothing the President did was a crime. The US and Ukraine have a treaty to cooperate to investigate crime and Ukraine is compelled to assist when asked . . .

https://www.congress.gov/treaty-docu.../document-text

"The Treaty covers mutual legal assistance in criminal matters. In recent years, similar bilateral treaties have entered into force with a number of other countries. The Treaty with Ukraine contains all essential provisions sought by the United States. It will enhance our ability to investigate and prosecute a range of offenses. The Treaty is designed to be self-executing and will not require new legislation.

Article 1 sets forth a non-exclusive list of the major types of assistance to be provided under the Treaty, including taking the testimony or statements of persons; providing documents, records and other items of evidence; locating or identifying persons or items; serving documents; transferring persons in custody for testimony or other purposes; executing requests for searches and seizures; assisting in proceedings related to immobilization and forfeiture of assets, restitution, and collection of fines; and, rendering any other form of assistance not prohibited by the laws of the Requested State. The scope of the Treaty includes not only criminal offenses, but also proceedings related to criminal matters, which may be civil or administrative in nature.

Article 1(3) states that assistance shall be provided without regard to whether the conduct involved would constitute an offense under the laws of the Requested State."

The following website, -- https://www.globallegalinsights.com/...ations/ukraine -- explains the legal action of the treaty, especially as it relates to corruption investigations.


That site does not allow copy and paste, a screenshot of pertinent passage follows:




Ukraine is required to assist upon request . . . The President of the United States made that request to the President of Ukraine.

It's ironic that Ukraine's "Anti-Corruption Bureau" was established with he assistance of Quid Pro Joe Biden.

And just for fun, let's assume the House does vote out articles and it goes to the Senate . . . Perhaps Quid Pro Joe will be called to testify for the defense, as to his perceived need for Ukraine's Anti-Corruption Bureau and what he believed its powers to be and the requirements for cooperation demanded by the above mentioned treaty.



Just for fun, Quid Pro Joe could be asked if he believes the actions of Burisma, as it relates to his son, would be of interest to Ukraine's Anti-Corruption Bureau as he contemplated it. Now that would be worth watching!


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I downloaded both full transcripts with no issue.

"It's ironic that Ukraine's "Anti-Corruption Bureau" was established with he assistance of Quid Pro Joe Biden."

What's ironic is that the only corruption the Trump administration is concerned with involves political opponents.

Since its first days in office, the Trump administration has exhibited indifference—and at times hostility—toward anti-corruption efforts in U.S. foreign policy. Less than a month after his inauguration, for example, President Trump signed into law a measure repealing a 2010 Obama-era regulation that imposed transparency on the oil and gas industry, a sector that has historically been at very high risk for graft. In the lead-up to the passage of this measure, former Sen. #^&#^&#^&#^& Lugar (R-IN)—a sponsor of the 2010 law authorizing the regulation—warned that repeal would mean “undoing a clear act of moral leadership, turning our back on corruption. This would betray our own principles and severely undercut our allies in Europe and Canada. It would cost countless lives over the long run and harm our security.”

Trump’s early action was a portent of things to come. Over the past three years, the White House has slashed funding for vital foreign assistance programs, allowed strongmen to quash popular anti-corruption initiatives, and either ignored or threatened to undercut multilateral transparency initiatives. Even worse, officials have actively ignored massive corruption when politically convenient, such as when Secretary of State Mike Pompeo praised the government of Guatemala despite its recent expulsion of an anti-corruption body or when Trump commended the corrupt governments of Egypt, Turkey, Russia, and Honduras. The administration has even sought to cut the budget of the critical State Department’s Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs, which is tasked with anti-corruption policy, by around 40 percent for the upcoming fiscal year.

This retreat from anti-corruption policies has been paralleled by the president’s unprecedented use of his official position to enrich himself, his family, and his friends. After his election, President Trump refused to divest from his businesses and instead gave control to his sons, a move that transparency advocates question. Foreign officials and corporations have regularly booked rooms in Trump hotels, in what may amount to public attempts to ingratiate themselves with the president. Trump has also used his private properties to conduct official government business, and his administration has announced that the next G-7 summit will be held at Trump’s resort in Doral, Florida, before reversing the decision amid public outcry. He faces three ongoing federal lawsuits for violations of the emoluments clause, which prohibits U.S. officials from receiving gifts or payments from foreign officials. Yet, even U.S. officials have used Trump’s properties for questionable reasons, including up to 40 trips to his Scottish resort taken by members of the U.S. Air Force.

May be a problem with my computer. Tried your link again and just got blank pages or a not found notice for full transcripts. But if the full are like the selected for Yovanovitch, I doubt there is conclusive substance. Mostly perception.

Ironic like the only corruption your concerned with is Trump.

CAN YOU SAY POTUS..

Or all corruption is equal ..
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