tell him that we fully support his right to choose to constantly supply proof that he is not very bright :laugha:

because he thinks he is likely to die if you don't get vaccinated or wear a mask...and then he won't be able to go golfing...

The right just wants to be left alone. Aside from controlling what women can & cannot do with their own bodies, controlling what teachers can & cannot teach, controlling the books our kids can & cannot read in school, controlling who can & cannot vote & controlling which votes can & cannot be counted… aside from that.
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which is why he gop never wins elections.
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Aside from that, what?

so much good info here...could really help bridge the divide...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4n4n1i7dUY&t=316s

Seems Republicans are on a Culture crusade to Save their vision of America against enemies and issues that dont exist except in their small Myopic world


Texas
Amber Briggle is speaking out again, after making headlines for inviting the Texas Attorney General to dinner in 2016. Texas Child Protective Services is investigating her family. 2022 her son is Transgender


Or Florida lawmakers back the creation of an election crimes investigative office


State republicans reasoning "Our job is to make sure our elections are as secure as possible, and you want to know why? Our constituents are demanding it,"

So that's it ? Truth and facts dont matter ? your passing laws on people's feelings not because you have a fraud Issue.. OK

Oh wait this isn't new in FLA

The Florida Senate passed a bill Tuesday that would prohibit “classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity” in the state’s primary schools. The measure, dubbed the “Don’t Say Gay”

kindergarten through seventh grade I guess all these liberal teachers are turning Floridian Children Gay and Trans before High School and must be stopped


Mexicans are like what about us! dont worry you are on the radar but not until
30 days before the election

if no teachers are talking about sexuality, then zero
reason to complain about a bull
preventing it.

You’re right, FL and TX stink, which is why everyone is leaving there, no one is moving there.

i jave zero problem
with homosexuality, i was in favor of gay marriage long before it was popular, i was in favor of it when hilary and obama were adamantly opposed and yet everyone lives them.

but i wouldn’t want it discussed in public school. It’s my job to teach my kids about that stuff, not the teachers. teachers job is to teach math, science, literature.
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Wonder which states have the highest rates of divorce and teen pregnancy?
Better just let them learn about the birds and the bees at recess, huh

Plenty of teen pregnancies in liberal-run cities, last time i checked.

We weren't talking how to avoid getting pregnant. For sure we weren't talking about stable marriages. We were talking about pornography, homosexuality, etc.

It doesn't belong in public school IMO.

In whose opinion does it?

I think they should confine those things to Catholic schools as it historically has.
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in many liberals
opinion, it belongs in public school.

there was a book with illustrations of young boys blowing each other. conservatives wanted it out of school libraries. you guys all said the conservatives were a bunch of book burning, pro-censorship, homophobes
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Many liberals.........

What's actually happening is that, after many many many decades of conservatives undercutting education, trying to ban books, and censoring what students can learn, the left had a little more cultural power and a sense of urgency thanks to Trump, and they capitalized on it.

There is a lot to criticize with how some progressive people have capitalized on this moment - what they're prioritizing, the kind of reductive ideas they're teaching. But they are not the new catalyst for right-wing censorship, lying, and attempts to outlaw teaching history.

Or I guess I should say: They are one catalyst for the current right-wing freak-out and attendant attempts at censorship and outlawing teaching accurate US history. But the right has long, long been censoring, lying and removing truth from the classroom. It's not new.

The right didn't start these egregious behaviors yesterday solely in response to the left. They've been doing this for a LONG time. Progressives reacted and had some wins. Now the right is doubling down on these long-standing impulses toward censorship and anti-intellectualism.

Is an "impulse toward censorship" some constant and indiscriminate urge by all on "the right"? Or do some on "the right" at various times succumb to this "impulse"?

And is "the right" teeming with those (anti-intellectuals) who have long-standingly deprecated education, philosophy, art, literature, and science? I don't know anybody on "the right" who have a "long-standing impulse" to do so.

if i say schools don’t need books showing adolescent boys boeing each other, that makes me anti intellectual?

i’m saying kids need more time developing their intellect ( math, science, literature), and less time getting indoctrinated with political ideology. Pretty sure that doesn’t make me an anti intellectual. i want schools to focus on developing the intellect. leave the divisive social issues to parents.
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the difference between you and pete is.... you would never want to force pete's kids to learn those things, if pete wants to teach his kids those things at home that's fine...but pete is happy to have your kids forced to learn those things at school

that makes pete a good person in his mind, and you a bad person and anti-intellectual...see how it works?

Silly troll, the straw man of one book becomes justification.

The party of book burning, banning local gov'ts from decisions, enabling lawsuits against teachers over hurt feelings, bounties on women seeking medical help, laws restricting voting access for all, & trying to legislate LBGTQ to not exist... has concerns about gov't overreach...
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^^^someone needs his medication

schools having books with illustrations of boys blowing each other isn’t government overreach. it’s government stupidity.
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you are an incompetent parent who won't teach them these skills at home...so it's up to the schools

Yes the plan is to make sure that book is in every school
You believe that?
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How about you post some stats that lead in number of marriages each year along with the highest divorce rates ?
No one gets married any more compared to generations past so naturally divorce rates will be higher were they actually Get Married.

Something tells me you wrote the book & have lots of experience in the subject

Poor boy
If you were to imagine the littlest whiny weenie, of all the whiniest little weenies ever and bark like a little purse dog, it would be you. I’m glad you exists as the reciprocal of what it means to be a man.
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Oh look - An actual assault on free speech.

Florida Lt. Governor: They will try to bully us like Disney doing. How dare they. They have no right to criticize legislation by duly elected legislators… Governor DeSantis and I won’t stand for it
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i want to know how you concluded that from what i said.

i’m not worried it’s going to be in every school. but it doesn’t belong in any school:

you criticized parents who didn’t want that crap in their school. Meaning, you think it’s ok for kids to stare at that when they could be learning algebra or chemistry.

i’m comfortable with my side in this one. you’re going off the deep
end, as usual responding to things that i never even came close to saying.
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Jim, every public school in the USA has LOCAL control.
Why do you think that State or Federal government needs to control this?
Or are you, once again, playing your victim card.

For you, the straw man of one book becomes justification.

The party of book burning, banning local gov'ts from decisions, enabling lawsuits against teachers over hurt feelings, bounties on women seeking medical help, laws restricting voting access for all, & trying to legislate LBGTQ to not exist... has concerns about gov't overreach...
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The answer from the politicians passing these laws

It’s what our gerrymander constituents want .

They called it leadership when it’s just playing to the Mob

These same people will be ok with camps …. to house these deviants
! If that’s what their constituents want !

All the pieces are in place , They just need Trump back in office.

Because they know he will willingly destroy whatever they want and He’s the key
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Republican strategy: Representatives in multiple states are pushing bills that would attempt to limit what residents can and can't do even beyond state lines.

I get it some are against Abortion and anything transgender related. Not sure how they can support something like this .
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"every public school in the USA has LOCAL control."

(1) wrong. Every public school in the USA has state and federal guidelines that they must abide by. I'm fine with less federal/state control, and more local control. I taught in CT, and there were ALL KINDS of state and federal rules that dictated some of what we had to do. There's nothing remotely new about state or federal intrusion.

(2) You're saying you're a proponent of local control, yet when local parents show up at local school board meetings to express local concerns, you dismiss them as crackpots. So you're kind of all over the place.

"once again, playing your victim card"

Again, not sure how you could conclude that. I'm saying you're demonstrably, laughably wrong if you think that Republicans are inventing the idea of state control.

With masks, Desantis wanted control to be at the most local level - the individual. Desantis didn't forbid anyone wearing masks in school. He forbid towns from forcing people to wear them. That's a big, big difference.

As to teaching sexuality to elementary school kids, I don't like it, but if a town wants to do it, I think they should be allowed to do it. If parents don't like it, they can elect a new school board. I think states and the feds should but out. But if you think Democrats want to leave education to local boards, you're wrong.

Pete, you just can't handle it when anyone isn't on 100% board with pure, unchecked liberalism, on any single issue. Which is why you may well need to check into rehab after the midterms.

Please explain how a governor benefits from gerrymandering. A governor wins a statewide election. Do you know what "statewide" means?

"These same people will be ok with camps …. to house these deviants "

Who is saying they want camps?

"They just need Trump back in office. Because they know he will willingly destroy whatever they want"

What, exactly, did Trump destroy during his term at the behest of the right wing mob?

Wayne, are liberals more tolerant of differing opinions? What happens to Christian bakers who would rather not participate in a gay wedding for religious reasons? Does the left say "we respect your right to religious freedom"? Or does the left try to force them out of business?

Conservative speakers are regularly hounded from college campuses. Does it ever happen to liberal speakers?

Plenty of close-mindedness on your side too. But you'll never, ever admit it, despite endless video evidence.

The left describes everyone not on the left, as a hatemonger. Hilarys deplorable a speech was the single greatest example of liberal
tolerance and willingness to embrace differing ideas. In November, we'll see how America feels about that. Trumps not on the ballot in november, neither is january 6. it’s a referendum on biden’s first two years, and unless something changes ( which it easily can), it’s going to be a disaster for democrats.

Won’t be a permanent disaster, if the gop takes control they’ll screw it all up too, and the pendulum will
swing back.

But it’s shaping up to be a real shellacking. i’m sure you don’t see it that way.

And the vast majority of america doesn’t watch fox. they are coming to these conclusions on their own. They see how rapidly things have deteriorated since Pudding Brain took office. Ever since rhe Afghanistan withdrawal, it’s been one disaster after another, except for the stock market and jobs.

america knows Putin didn’t cause the overall inflation. they know biden’s lying.

Conservative lawmakers across the U.S. have unleashed a wave of state legislation attempting to restrict access to abortions and to gender-affirming medical care for transgender youth by allowing lawsuits to be filed against anyone who helps them.

But now there's a new twist in what appears to be a broader Republican strategy: Representatives in multiple states are pushing bills that would attempt to limit what residents can and can't do even beyond state lines.

Like I said camps are not and impossibility

"Only you and Republicans are suggesting that’s what he is saying that’s the actual lie"

Oh, it's a Republican lie that Biden is blaming Putin for inflation?

Here, all the Republicans at NBC support my claim that Biden is telling this lie...

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...as-ncna1291691

"Conservative lawmakers across the U.S. have unleashed a wave of state legislation attempting to restrict access to abortions "

And if people didn't want that, they'd elect liberals instead of conservatives. That's how democracy works, Wayne. You don't get what you want every single time. Why is it such a shock to you, still, that not everyone is exactly like you?

"Representatives in multiple states are pushing bills that would attempt to limit what residents can and can't do even beyond state lines."

Not sure what you mean, can you share a link?

"Like I said camps are not and impossibility"

No, that's not what you said. You said Republicans want camps. You lied.

I think my view on the sexual stuff is what most republicans share. I think people can, and should, do whatever they want, as long as they don't hurt anyone else. People's sexual preferences are absolutely none of my business. But I'd like it if we kept that to ourselves, don't shove it in my face at every turn. I don't want to have to see a gay pride parade any more than I want to see a parade of Chippendales dancers or Hooters waitresses. And don't tell a baker he must participate in a gay wedding if it violates his religious beliefs. Do whatever males you happy, but please leave me out of it. I don't shove my sexuality in anyone else's face, and I'd appreciate the same courtesy.

And no sexuality, whether it be heterosexuality or any other kind, needs to be in an elementary school. Let kids be kids for the brief time they are kids.

None of that is hateful, no matter how you try to spin it. I was in favor of gay marriage when Hilary and Obama were adamantly opposed.

Liberals would do well to grasp that tolerance is a two-way street. Liberals think "tolerance" means everyone has to tolerate them, but they aren't always willing to show it to others.

So in a nut shell you support these Republicans who wish to criminalize what people do outside their states

If these actions are so supported as you suggest why are they never on the ballot in theses states ?
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i asked you to explain the laws that would criminalize what people
do outside their state, because i honestly have no idea what you’re referring to.

wdmso, there probably isn’t a politician who i agree with 100% of the time. not one. i don’t expect to.

do you ever disagree with liberals
on anything? ever?
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So in a nut shell you support these Republicans who wish to criminalize what people do outside their states

just say yes...because in his mind, he's going to believe you said yes.... and then argue as though you did.... regardless...:D

......like playing chess with a pigeon
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Nearly sprayed my computer screen with what I was drinking . . . that was funny.

asked you to explain the laws that would criminalize what people
do outside their state, because i honestly have no idea what you’re referring to.


A google search would tell you everything you need to know
But you won’t

Here is some other proposed bills

Recently in Missouri, a state representative introduced a measure that would let people sue anyone they suspect of helping a resident get an abortion in another state.

More than 1,500 miles away, an Idaho bill seeking to ban gender-affirming care for youth would have made it a felony to help a child access care outside the state

It’s not a hard choice you agree or you disagree what details would make these OK?

Clearly these bills haven’t been put into law . But just their submission sends up red flags
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