"Don't belong on the field at a public school that's Constitution"

You show me where in the constitution it says you can't choose to pray on a field at a public school. The coach was reinstated by the courts, as the firing is what is obviously prohibited by the Constitution. Wayne, the constitution doesn't say religion cannot intersect with public life. It says that the state shall pass no law which interferes with the free exercise of religion. That's nowhere near the same as saying "no religion in public".

"Jim loves his authoritarian tough guys "

You love them, when they're liberal. That's clear. He's only considered an authoritarian by people he's clobbering. Just because he's pulverizing democrats again and again, doesn't make him Hitler.

"Republicans definition of constituents only those who vote in the primaries"

What are you talking about? I'm talking about the general election. He won in a complete rout. How can you deny that a big majority of his residents like what he's doing?

"and you call opening up Brave leadership LOL"

Tell us what you call it. He bucked the trend, and he was shown to be absolutely right. We all know the lockdowns were largely unnecessary, and that keeping kids out of school was a complete disaster. How many governors resisted? It's a short list, and he's on it.

I don't think he's perfect. The timing of punishing Disney was obvious political retribution, and therefore stupid and that was authoritarian. I can criticize him for his blunders.

But unlike you, I can admit when he smashes it 800 feet out of the park.

You called his bill "don't say gay". There's absolutely nothing in there that singles out homosexuality. You were duped by the media on your side who took you for a sucker, and it worked.

Teachers at Parrish Community High School in Manatee County, Florida were told this morning to "remove or cover all classroom libraries until all materials can be reviewed."

Moving forward no book can be added to a classroom library until it is:

1. Approved by a media specialist

2. Reviewed and approved by a School Advisory Council (SAC) of parents, teachers and students

3. Signed off on by the principal

You can understand how already overstretched teachers may choose simply not to maintain a classroom library that than jump through all these hoops

Only about 50% of Manatee students currently read at grade level.
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if teachers hadn’t abandoned their duty in so many cases and out pornography and liberal indoctrination in from of their kids, the state wouldn’t have done this

The citizens of FL made a crystal clear choice in the last election. Pete, no one expects you to like it. You could put down the insanity long enough to admit it.

"Only about 50% of Manatee students currently read at grade level."

Keeping pornography and DNC material out of the schools, seems like a good idea then. Let them focus on the basics.

From the attached article...

Manatee County Schools Chief of Staff Kevin Chapman told 10 Tampa Bay teachers were not directly told to shut down their classroom libraries. Many are opting to, anyway

three criteria every book must now meet:

Free of pornography and material prohibited under S. 847.012, F.S.
Suited to student needs and their ability to comprehend the material presented.
Appropriate for the grade level and age group for which the materials are used and made available.

"Chapman said he suspects most books on teachers' shelves already appear on the approved list."

Doesn't exactly sound like a good old fashioned book burning.



https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/ve...a-5203ed0feb56.

As I said
Failure to lock up all their books until they could be "vetted" by censors, teachers were warned, put them at risk of being prosecuted as felons.
I’m sure you would take the risk…

The facts of this situation are straightforward: A Florida law signed by DeSantis requires that every book available to students "must be selected by a school district employee who holds a valid educational media specialist certificate," in most cases, the school librarian. This may sound reasonable on its surface, but as the situation in Manatee County shows, in reality, it's about creating a bottleneck preventing books from getting into the hands of students. Even more importantly, it's about establishing the idea that books are inherently dangerous objects, to the degree that no student can be allowed to handle one without heavy-handed surveillance.

Moreover, even if the librarians in Florida are not themselves interested in being the reading police, they may feel they have no choice. DeSantis has made it quite clear what kinds of ideas he believes should be banned in the state of Florida. He doesn't want schools to acknowledge that LGBTQ people exist. He's banned the teaching of Black history classes on the grounds that lessons on people like Frederick Douglass or Rosa Parks, for instance, "have no educational value." He has been forcing schools to teach a lie, that racism is not the cause of racial inequality. With that level of pressure, it is no surprise that schools would simply err on the side of having few, if any, books available. If books return to the shelves, they may likely be heavily limited to those that portray the world like it's a 1950s sitcom, which pretty much guarantees they'll go unread, as such themes hold little interest to kids in 21st-century America.

When it comes to keeping kids from reading much, if at all, DeSantis' policy is a smashing success. He's established the idea that no student should ever be allowed to just grab a book and read on their own. He's stigmatized basic curiosity. Big Brother must always be watching, a reference kids probably won't get if "1984" is no longer a book readers can just pick up.
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Not true. That's only true if the book isn't on the already-approved list of approved books, and as I quoted, the county school manager said most books teachers would have in their classrooms, are already on that list and therefore do not need approval.

Who’s list?
What’s the penalty?
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The state's list. No idea what the penalty is.

So why did you lie, and say every book has to get approved by essentially the librarian, when according to the county manager, most of the books are already approved and require no further action?

if teachers hadn’t abandoned their duty in so many cases and out pornography and liberal indoctrination in from of their kids, the state wouldn’t have done this


Another one who has an ample supply of Tinfoil
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Guess you missed In Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962), the Supreme Court ruled that school-sponsored prayer in public schools violated the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

But our SJC didn’t seem to care his prayers were not the issue it was the location.
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Well, let's see...

I have taught in a public school, you haven't.

I've shown the honesty of praising and criticizing both sides, you haven't.

So who should we believe?

Aha! False equivalence! I call false equivalence!

Unlike you, I will explain WHY your equivalence is false. In the case of the football coach, the school was not sponsoring the prayer, the school was not requiring or suggesting or encouraging students to participate in the prayer.

The coach was praying by himself, alone, after games were over. Some of his players chose to join. Are you pro-choice? Geez, not when it comes to school choice, apparently not when it comes to faithful people practicing their religion unless it's behind closed doors?

None of the school's business.

But the tolerant left, always so tolerant of others...

No American can be compelled to abandon his faith when he shows up for work. The employer (school in this case) can not pressure anyone else to participate. But if people freely choose to engage in religion in public, they have every right to do do.

Why do liberals CARE so much? If they didn't like it, they didn't have to participate in it. But that's not enough for the left, they have to eradicate from view, that which they hate.

The coach was praying by himself, alone, after games were over. Some of his players chose to join.

Why do liberals CARE so much? we don't care who he prays to it just shouldn't be High School grounds... lets have drag queen halftime shows and see how tolerant the christian justices would be to that :kewl:

your blinded by your rabid religious beliefs .. if you thinks thats what happened..

When I was in Highschool My coach had team church days .. he never tried to pray on the High school field but you religious zealots just cant leave it at church

FYI it's the only time I went to church .. he did just what this guy did Noticed who attended and who did not and as a highschool kid you worried about playing and that was in 1984 :kewl:

you have no right to say it can’t be in school
grounds. read the first amendment where it bars the state from interfering with the free exercise of religion. it doesn’t say “unless it’s on school grounds.”

i’m blinded by the constitution. this guy wasn’t catholic i don’t think.

you have no right to never see that which you don’t like. the constitution is what it says it is.

from what you said, what your school
did was nothing close to what this guy did. It was t a school
sponsored thing. he prayed on his own, some
kids chose to participate, some chose not to, and that was fine. But not good enough for the haters.

the bill of rights doesn’t say those freedoms are surrendered at school. sorry.

Only you Jim would call settled law.

Aha! False equivalence! I call false equivalence! :faga:

Yep a school employee getting paid by the school praying on school grounds. In your twisted logic he’s just excising his 1st amendment rights ya ok ..

Most haters I see go to church and tend to be conservative claiming their religion is under attack , and using that religion as an excuse to discriminate against others funny how that works

it’s very well established that employees are never required to turn off their faith at work.

who am i discriminating against exactly?

You know your pathetic when

High schoolers threaten to sue DeSantis over ban of African American studies course

The STATE’s list, definitely not fascist.

The penalty is being charged with a felony.
Now think what would happen if some wacko, who has said many times that teachers and or their union is evil, decided to claim that their child received a “bad” book from a teacher, maybe even the person negotiating for the teacher’s contract.
Who pays the lawyers to deal with that?
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yes wayne, because we all know that high schoolers always have the proper, mature point of view of things. The goal of a governor should be to be very popular among high schoolers. that’s the barometer to judge a governor by. Who cares about unemployment and schools
being open. Popularity among 16 year olds is the only thing that matters.

if the law is unconstitutional,, that’ll come out.

High schoolers!!! that’s a good one.

the state also sets standards for who can teach. is that fascist?

does the state get to
mandate anything einstein? speed limits,,penal
law, anything?

you’re coming totally unglued.

pete when i taught, it wasn’t a free for all. there were all kinds of rules, restrictions, standards that were set by my town and the state,,that i had to comply with. This is one more in a long list of rules.

there are also all kinds of union rules which dictate what happens and what doesn’t happen.

But these mandates are only bad when they come from
Death-santis.

you’re acting like this is the first time
anyone has set standards for teachers.

Poor victim, needs the State to tell him what is ok to read.
You’re talking about the same state that’s allowing uncertified people to teach because they’ve driven people out of the profession?
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That’s what Germans and Italians said
“It’s just a gold star”
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DeSantis violated First Amendment by removing elected official, judge rules

The latest: U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle wrote in his ruling that evidence showed DeSantis punished Warren for his political leanings and that doing so violated Warren's free speech rights.

Keep thinking Ron’s who you think he is.. he’s not looking out for the country or the citizens of Florida .. just himself . He saw if Trump could get elected based on lies bluster and blaming others and the GOP hordes would cheer from the stands .. he’s saying why not me .. I can huff I can puff I’ll blow the whole White House down with all the transgender kids and drag queens and woke just like my followers want

wayne, you left out that the judge didn’t reinstate the fired official ( a DA who said he wasn’t going to enforce duly constituted state law ) and the judge said very specifically, that the guy would have been removed even if there was no first amendment violation.

imagine, the arrogance of a governor who expects the DA to enforce the law?

how come you left out the very important part?

he’s not looking out for his state, which is why the state is in tatters and everyone is moving to CT.

Sure Jan

The judge cited the 11th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution in concluding that he could not grant Warren’s request for reinstatement.

The amendment prohibits federal officials from forcing state actors to follow state laws.

But the judge did suggest one remedy:

“If the facts matter, the governor can simply rescind the suspension,” Hinkle wrote. “If he does not do so, it will be doubly clear that the alleged non-prosecution policies were not the real motivation for the suspension.”
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pete, the job of a DA is to enforce duly constituted laws, not to enforce your personal political agenda. This DA made a choice to go on TV and announce that he wasn’t going to enforce laws that he didn’t like.

how is it proven that the DAs promise of non prosecution isn’t the reason for the heaped ion? i’m curious?

the da said he wouldn’t prosecute, then he was suspended, and Fesantis made it clear that was the reason.

getting fired from your job for saying something is different from getting arrested for saying something. there are all kinds of things that are legal for me to say which would get me immediately fired, and that’s not a violation of my first amendment rights. When you take a job, you are agreeing to abide. up the rules of your employer. that’s how thee world
works.

He was elected
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to do what? to enforce the laws impartially? or to implement his personal political agenda?

the constitution of the state of FL gives the governor the authority to suspend this elected DA.

if he wanted to enact liberal laws he should have run for the state legislature. the DA has a different role.

Let no one be confused: DeSantis is not a break with the MAGA anti-democratic movement. He is only a less buffoonish version of the defeated former president. And that makes him all the more dangerous.

But Jim’s been fooled once already
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The judge could not reinstate him under the law . Like you football guy

And the judge actually said Ron would have just made another excuse to fire the guy

the DA never not enforced the law

It’s the DA responsibility to use his Judgement in all cases

No you support Ron yelling off with their heads. And if people won’t he’ll remove them.

Sorry that’s call an absence of leadership.. a concept you seem to have trouble understanding
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the DA announced that he wasn’t going to
enforce a new law which was duly constituted. of course they get paid to use judgment. but insisting that you’re not going to ever enforce a law you don’t happen to like, goes way beyond that.

“off with their heads”? more like, do the job you were hired to do, or find another job.

there are kits of productive careers for people
who want to be political advocates. Being a prosecutor isn’t one of them.

removing subordinates who refuse to do the job, isn’t what is call an absence of leadership. You can call it whatever you’d like.

And of course Jim this was just another Ron campaign aid. Disguised as leadership

In a Tampa news conference, which his press secretary hyped as an event that would make the “liberal media meltdown,” DeSantis noted there is no state law banning gender-affirming treatments but included that in the executive order suspending Warren because one day the Legislature could ban them.

“The Legislature of Florida may want to come in and do something on that, you are going to say presumptively you can’t do it?” DeSantis said during the event.

His press secretary hyped as an event that would make the “liberal media meltdown,”

Yep keep thinking anything he does is for his constituents. It’s done all for Himself . This is just 1 of many examples
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banned gender affirming treatments for who? for everyone? or for
kids?

wayne, the guy just had an election and he won in an historic rout. what do you conclude from that? how can you not conclude that his citizens like what he’s doing?

man, it’s two years away and you guys are coming unglued over him, and he hasn’t even announced he’s running, and i don’t see how he can beat trump in a primary unless it’s just the two of them.

it must be very exhausting to constantly bend, or outright deny, factual truth that isn’t convenient for you.

I get why he terrifies you. he represents the popular policies of trump, with a far, far less obnoxious personality. You can easily paint trump as a lunatic without having to look stupid doing so. Can’t do the same with desantis, at least not yet, he’s got plenty of time to screw up. Desantis clobbered , and i mean clobbered, Cuomo on handling covid, and he did so while managing not to harass all the women within ten miles of him.

That’s called “winning”.

He was hired elected 3 times by his constituents
Just like Santos who you argue he also was elected. But should keep his job unless he did something illegal

Ron fired him for his speaking aka his 1a rights. He never refused prosecute a case because none had been brought..

You seem to miss that part.

Funny Ron he did the same thing to Disney when they spoke against him..

Ron’s a classic bully loud mouthed and thin skinned. Just like your last man crush .

But The GOP has the nerve to claim the Biden administration has weaponized the Government. Lol

Ron’s giving us a preview what’s a weaponized government looks like. And what’s going to happen if he’s in the Oval Office

Any tradition or precedent not in writing he’ll ignore , remove any
All federal DAs and Assistant DAs will be removed unless they pledge their allegiance to Ron the same will happen to the General office corps he’ll remove them for being woke.
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did he say during his election, that he was going to refuse to enforce laws which didn’t align with his personal beliefs?

ron fired him for refusing to do the job to which he was elected.

who was my last man crush? trump? the one who i described a hundred times as a morally bankrupt reptile? that’s a man crush?

zero honesty. zip. just hate and derangement. 2024 is so far off, a hundred things could happen that would
make me say desantis would be a lousy presidential candidate. as of right now, he’s an absolute rock star, and you’re all scared absolutely sh*tless of him. You have absolutely no one like him on your side. maybe gavin newsom, and i can barely say that with a straight face.

Why would it surprise anyone that Jim loves an authoritarian.
DeFascist has now figured out how to get away with removing Democrats holding elected office in Florida. That is alarming. Bet he gets rid of a mayor next.
Follow the state or……
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yup, he’s a Nazi. And with all the jews retired and living in FL, I assume it won’t be long now…

Fascism isn’t confined to Nazis

Definition: Fascism: a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government.

https://youtu.be/zae_nJ_Ik5I
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