Beachwalker,

I wish you had an opinion on the subject. :bshake:

I take issue with that comment. How many people have we beheaded? How many burning bodies have we dragged through the streets? I'm not quite sure what the intent of that statement was, but it sounds like an attempt to slander the efforts of American troops in Iraq. I don't care whether you support Bush or Kerry, there is absolutely no place for the sort of ignorance and insensitivity associated with accusing the work of the troops on the ground of being anything less than honorable. I truly believe that is a line that should not be crossed. It goes far beyond whether you agree with the move on Iraq.
I have some vastly different views now than I did two years ago. Here is what I have heartburn with: We weren't prepared for post-war Iraq. Could we have been? That is a tough question to answer but I believe we could have been better prepared. The Army is stretched too thin. We were more than ready to defeat the Iraqi Army, but ill prepared for fighting the guerilla war associated with the occupation. We are learning and changing as we go, but more prior planning and foresight would have helped. The extent to which Hussein was an IMMEDIATE threat can be debated. The reasons why we were ill-prepared are irrelevant now....its just a reality we have to face. I also have heartburn with the symantics of the so called "War on Terror". Someone else here mentioned something similar. We will never win the "War on Terror". Terror is not a tangible thing.. and declaring war on it is like declaring war on rudeness. There will never be a VE day or VJ day for the vets of the "War on Terror" It will never be won, and never be officially over.

f off wee wee

no one is ACCUSSING anyone. and that is a fairly accurate figure.

Our boys are at war with an enemy who is cuthroat....

I never said anyone was dishonorable but I did question MANAGEMENT.

:rolleyes:

Beachwalker, I'm not sure I follow you. If I misinterpreted your comments, then maybe you can clarify them. I'd also like to know if that "F-off" comment was directed toward me.

Beachwalker,

What he's saying regarding that quote you had is it sounds like you are trying to make us look like the bad murdering thugs.

oops i thought weewee said that

f-off Drmatus

is that clarified ?

opinion on Kerry and his relationships with this question ?

to be continued.......

sorry weewee

Beachwalker, it sounds as if you've run out of steam if all you can manage is to tell me to F-off. Do you have anything intelligent to say? Care to discuss the issue or qualify your statements? I'll qualify mine: I spent a year in Iraq from April 2003 to April 2004. This is an open forum. If the moderators will allow you to tell me to F-off then go ahead if it makes you feel like a tough guy.

Thank you for your service to our country DRMatus:claps:

God bless you and our brave soldiers

Matus, I think the problem is some Kerry haters think they have a monopoly on toughness...like the Democrats are not capable of defending the country. For this I blame the Bush Administrations campaign propaganda.

Not to put words in any ones mouths but I'd wager every one here has incredible respect for our armed forces. Personally I think we don't hurt enough over the 900+ that have given their lives and the 5000 that have come back without body parts. A Marine I know just got back after a parcel of explosives went off in his face, he was lucky.

In regards to the Iraqi's killed, the issue is if our leadership even considers the massive civilian death that is associated with a war like Iraq. The incredibly brutal actions of a minority of Iraqi's doesn't represent the people, but our bombs do represent America in the eyes of many. Our military is unparalleled, but so is our responsiblity to use it wisely.

Everyone hopes Iraq works and our efforts are rewarded, but things would be very different had the attitude of our leadership been...on the level. It is what it is.

I just got back from the Rush concert and I can't hear sh*t :smash:

-spence

no frustration here just some substantive commentary with minimal school yard bickering. This thread was intatters for a few pages. It has gotten better. WHERE WERE YOU THEN ?

Drmatus you deserve the f-off from me because you used MY quotes to stand up on.

you have your opinion and I respect it. be happy it was f-off and not more.

i am sure you can contact one of the moderators and tell them of your plight.

beachwalker,

You still havent explained what you meant by your quotes:smash:

Hey Beachwalker, You're right I used your quotes to stand up on. This is an open forum and I've earned my right to do so just as you've been given the right to tell me to F-off. Be happy it wasn't more? You talk a big game for a hot-head behind the keyboard. I wonder what you're like when you're out there walking those beaches.

Anyone concerned about civilian deaths in Iraq, may I remind you of the American civilian deaths on 911. We're not bombing innocents over there...the amount of collateral damage is MINIMAL. I doubt it could get any less given the circumstances. And the circumstances are what we have been given.

At least it wasn't my first contribution to this thread.

Get over the hothead thing.
take a good look at your own replies

yayaya I am hearing. you have rights, and )IMO) you seem to have all the right things to say. here you connecting the 9/11 thing to Iraq again. Why don't we go into to EVERY country where the suspects are and root them out. Oh wait a mintue... that IS the WH plan.

get over yourself. we are all in the same boat.

remember to contact your local moderator if you feel violated.

next :rolleyes:

Aw, cum on, you can do better than that. :hihi:

:laughs: :laughs:

i know it just doesn't have the impact.........

John we need a middle finger smilie

I'm sorry.

This machine is out of order.

F*** yourself...

...and save a quarter!

I think we go above and beyond the call in minimizing collateral damage, but the number of civilian deaths is still huge. Afghanistan is one thing, but to equate civilian deaths in Iraq to 9/11 is somewhat absurd.

-spence

'm not advocating the invasion of any more countries. Remember, I'm one of the ones who has to do the dirty work, not just sit around and talk about it. You guys missed my point. Maybe I didn't make it properly. Either way, I'll be the first to admit the connection between 911 and Iraq is shakey. What prompted me to get involved in this thread (I'll know better next time) was beachwalker's statement about "who was murdering who". I'm done, its not worth my time. See ya

adios