It really doesn't. What it does so is set up all manners of speculative assertions to be ripped apart. This is classic McCarthy.

Yes it does . . . this is classic McCarthy

Sure, how's this for starters If 'the FBI' that had no problem with it is riddled with leaders who wanted Hilary to win, who cares that they are OK with it? That they are OK with it, could be more evidence of wrongdoing, not less.

Here's another...how do you know the judges would have been OK with it, if they knew that the Steele dossier was provided by an adversarial political campaign?

Any other pathetic excuses that a 10 year-old can tear to shreds?

he was pretty thorough...I doubt Spence could grasp much through that veil of partisanship and the grief he must be enduring after his Country's loss to the American girls in ice hockey...those Canadian girls felt as entitled to a gold medal as Hillary felt entitled to the Presidency....I'm surprised he can type at this point

Jim, the request has to be approved by Federal Judges before the FBI can sign off on it.

The Dossier wasn't provided by an adversarial campaign, it was by a law firm and the FISA request clearly stated it was political opposition research.

Mind bending.

Yet you couldn't? SAD!
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Your posts often are.

remember when Trump was mocked and ridiculed for his wire tapping claims....

Yes, and he still is and should be.

"Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!"

"I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!"

"How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!"

It's clear now that SOME of the information used in the FISA application was from Steele which was made clear to the Federal judge. If the judge isn't satisfied with the justification for the warrant they don't have to approve it. McCarthy is en effect calling these Federal judges incompetent. Considering he's only seen what's been declassified that's laughable.

McCarthy has a clever use of quotes here to mislead his reader, yourself. The FISA requests don't name Simpson or Perkins-Coie because that is the protocol to not name US persons or entities unless they are the subject of the surveillance. By co-mingling the quotes from the warrant with what we know today McCarthy is trying to establish a quid pro quo that would be improper.

At the time of the FISA request Simpson had not testified about the full nature of their research nor had the FBI led any formal investigation into Steele's potential bias. To hang all this on the word "likely" is comical.

How far did that Nunes "unmasking" stunt go before it was discredited as well?

McCarthy is just presenting one straw man after another. The FBI, the Federal Judiciary, the Clinton campaign...they're all in it together!

People pleading guilty left and right and some how it's still a witch hunt . They only seem to care they can't touch Trump with the collusion lable.. they could careless if those who worked for appointed by Trump are pleading guilty to crimes involving Russians..

SENIOR Adviser on President Donald Trump’s election campaign plead guilty... and you guys are still blaming the steel dossier to funny

Interesting read of a pretty credible guy. Collusion or not the damage is being done regardless...

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...-hayden-217091

I can hear it now
He is an Independent......
Clearly a deep state operative..........

I think the article puts a different perspective on the situation. He is a critical thinker and shows that this issue is more interesting and convoluted than the politicians or media would have us believe.

some interesting thoughts on Hayden...sorry to interrupt the tongue bath:D


https://www.cjr.org/first_person/cia...den_expert.php

A little quote from the article, since selecting portions that are in our favor are en vogue.
"That’s not to say everything Michael Hayden says is inherently wrong. Again, he’s right that President Obama almost certainly did not directly order a “wiretap” of Donald Trump, and he generally has a reasonable positions on Trump’s dangerous Muslim Ban and even encryption."

I read that....I didn't select portions...I linked the entire article


it's really funny...during the Bush years...regarding wiretapping...it was portrayed by the left as Bush and Cheney sitting around a monitor all day listening to the phone conversations of average Americans...Google..."Bush Wiretapping"....Trump does essentially the same thing and he's crazy...so I'll admit both Trump and the left are crazy

Speaking of crazy... the complaint with the Bush era wiretapping was that it was warrantless. Trump is making up something about Obama that never happened. The faulty analogies in this forum? Crazy.

isn't Spence accusing McCarthy of doing exactly what Spence does on a regular basis?...I see what he's doing here

there was apparently a lot of wiretapping going on...Trump was just being Trump....you know...like "Biden being Biden"

You must have a short memory, Bush authorized warrantless wiretapping after 911.

Big, huge, monstrous difference.

yes...very big difference...

the Bush folks were trying to prevent terrorism after 911

members of the Obama admin in collusion with the Hillary campaign were trying to ensure Trump was never elected and.... how was is put?...."have an insurance policy if somehow he was?".....

very troubling...


if Hillary had just gotten elected none of this would be a problem..plan B is a lot of work.......damn Russians

Crazy? Delusional? Paranoid? Factually incorrect? Ok, touche.

Kushner's security clearance downgraded

try to understand this....through 8 years of Clinton the media and left told and often scolded the country explaining that lying was perfectly normal, part of the human condition, psychologists and sociologists told us that Clinton made us feel better about our own shortcomings...and that men in power, of course, had sex with their underlings...they needed a stress reliever...and have big egos and even bigger libidos so badda-bing-badda-boom ...and as long as his wife doesn't mind.....Oh...and I was reading back over the Clinton/Communist Chinese money scandal recently...good grief

then...for 8 years we heard Bush=Hitler...Bush=Idiot....

the left and media embraced and promoted the foul mouth comics and the nuts sleeping in the ditch outside his Texas ranch....it was relentless

then... for the next 8 years, if you did not celebrate the new president like it was the second coming of Christ...you were a racist...the media and left bristled and attacked every critique...some fair and some unfair but it was basically a protection racket and Obama leveraged that on a daily basis

Trump...is a big middle finger to those 8+8+8...basically 24 years of the left and media having their way...setting the tone of the political debate in this country....however disheveled Trump may be opposite the lefts ideal preened pseudo-intellectual type.... he's the only figure on the right that's really had the stones to not back down to the thugs on the left...and they ARE thugs...

doesn't make him a good guy....doesn't make him someone to emulate...but at this time he's the new kid that punched the bully in the face...politics is ugly...always has been

that's why he's liked or supported...I don't know if that's good or bad in the long run.... and so far....regarding the economy likes him which means people with jobs and families who don't want to be dependent on government like him because ultimately they care more about what they can provide their families that what a president says or does.....

Tuesday, February 27, 2018

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Forty-eight percent (48%) disapprove.

By comparison, President Obama earned 43% approval on this date in the second year of his presidency.


the bonus is that he's got the media and left in full cackle on a daily basis....which, though probably wrong...feels really good...which means the more cackling...the better it feels :rolleyes:

so yes..."Trump Being Trump"

great VDH article this morning chronicling the disastrous Obama Russia policies

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...-exposing-fbi/

you should read the whole article...not just the headline

Kushner is going to get crushed for using his Govt position to sell property.

The story running now that other government were trying to manipulate him when he improperly had top secret clearance is pretty frightening.

I’ve had security clearance and I know how it works.. security clearance or lack of them are just another log on a fire they are unable to extinguish
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Hope Hicks: Close Trump aide and White House communications chief resigns

another one bites the dust :wave:

She was a total smoke show
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