Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191895)

Spun, really or was he being sarcastic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG0ciGfJ1xY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMSY-F2zEzw

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1191899)

Yes, spun.

He asked "is there a way" to use light or disinfectant. The left and the media went berserk, saying that he suggested people inject it.

GS, for the tenth time, why was it stupid to ask if there's a way, given that we now know that scientists are already working to answer that exact question.

Trump was rambling about how interesting the science is (and it's very interesting). He mentioned that light and disinfectants kill the virus, so he continued the thought and asked "is there a way" to use those things to safely combat the virus? Why wouldn't you ask that that question? Scientists are working right now to answer that same exact question. Are they stupid and reckless?

As to saying he was sarcastic...in his initial statement, your side is saying he meant something (inject yourself with Lysol) very different from what he actually said. But when he says he was being sarcastic, you take him at his word.

So when he says something harmless, you claim he meant something else. When he says he was being sarcastic, you take him at his word.

How about we hold him accountable for what he actually says and does? I didn't like his sarcasm explanation, because there was nothing remotely wrong with what he originally said, unless you are a dishonest ideologue.

The vaccine, necessarily, must include something that kills the virus, right? Right now, there are only so many things that we know of, that kill it. Why in Gods name wouldn't we explore every single one of those, to see if they can be safely used?

What's more lethal - Lysol or radioactive material? But we figured out how to use radiation to safely help cancer patients.

Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1191908)

Had he asked the experts in private, they would have said in their own way, what are you crazy. .

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1191913)

If the notion of using disinfectants is crazy, please explain where there are clinical trials to see if chlorine (a powerful disinfectant) can be used to combat the virus?

I keep posting this. you guys keep ignoring it.

It's not crazy, in fact the scientists are working on it. Also working to see if UV light can be used. I posted links to those trials. Real, actual scientists are conducting those trials. It would be crazy NOT to look into it.

Again, facts and truth don't matter. Bashing Trump matters. What other possible explanation is there? Professional scientists are doing EXACTLY what Trump asked about. So please explain how it's crazy?

Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1191914)

Trials are all well an good, except those happen in the background, where the experts can set up, run and comment. Are you that intent on defending him, that you can't admit his comments on that stage were wrong, stupid and dangerous. You are kidding yourself or just that intent on defending this clown, that you can't be honest about it. The dead will soon be following his advice, it's called embalming.

Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1191921)

Arguing with a fool have fun
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1191923)

Trump was rambling

And that's his problem :jump:

Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1191921)

Arguing with a fool
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1191914)

Trials are all well an good.

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191978)

There's always a tweet

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump· Nov 8, 2013

Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible.

I'm assuming that by "happens" he meant the result of his leadership. Not just anything that happens, someone farts or some previous leader leaving behind some hidden problem.

MARCH 13, 2020

“I don’t take responsibility at all.”
Donald Trump

I believe he was referring to the shortage of test kits or supplies not replenished by the previous administration and the incompetence of the entrenched CDC bureaucracy to speedily produce them. His responsibility would have been to fix that. And he did. Not quickly enough to your liking, obviously.

U.S. intelligence agencies issued warnings about the novel coronavirus in more than a dozen classified briefings prepared for President Trump in January and February, months during which he continued to play down the threat, repeat and support Chinese propaganda.

The "playing down" was done by the medical experts, WHO, the Dems, as well. He did everything his medical expert staff, Fauci, Birx, et al, asked him to do. WHO praised China and supported its propaganda (whatever that vague phrase means). And I don't know what Intelligence was saying and who else besides Trump knew.

So he's correct when he said today that "There has been so much unnecessary death in this country. It could have been stopped and it could have been stopped short, but somebody a long time ago, it seems, decided not to do it that way. And the whole world is suffering because of it."

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191978)

There's always a tweet

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump· Nov 8, 2013

Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible.

I'm assuming that by "happens" he meant the result of his leadership. Not just anything that happens, someone farts or some previous leader leaving behind some hidden problem.

I'm assuming that english is his first language and that he means what he wrote. A pandemic is not a fart and he was apprised of the possibility of this event both by the previous administration and his own. I'm assuming that if you take the job and the oath it's sort of like "The Buck Stops Here" not however far you can kick it down the road.

MARCH 13, 2020

“I don’t take responsibility at all.”
Donald Trump

I believe he was referring to the shortage of test kits or supplies not replenished by the previous administration and the incompetence of the entrenched CDC bureaucracy to speedily produce them. His responsibility would have been to fix that. And he did. Not quickly enough to your liking, obviously.

There you go translating again, from english to excuse. There were no tests for an unknown virus prior to the tests being developed so how could any prior administration have any culpability in the failure of Trump* and his appointees to shepherd the testing thru the process. That's the job of an administrator, not the previous administration. If he was missing some supplies he had three years of which in two his party had control of both houses and the WH.

U.S. intelligence agencies issued warnings about the novel coronavirus in more than a dozen classified briefings prepared for President Trump in January and February, months during which he continued to play down the threat, repeat and support Chinese propaganda.

The "playing down" was done by the medical experts, WHO, the Dems, as well. He did everything his medical expert staff, Fauci, Birx, et al, asked him to do. WHO praised China and supported its propaganda (whatever that vague phrase means). And I don't know what Intelligence was saying and who else besides Trump knew.
The record does not support your statement. He is in charge, we have a much more robust surveillance apparatus than the WHO and they told him, the medical experts told him and he did not talk to the Dems nor allow any oversight. Trump repeated more Chinese propaganda than the WHO and seems to have forgotten the written and video record of himself playing it down as have you.

So he's correct when he said today that "There has been so much unnecessary death in this country. It could have been stopped and it could have been stopped short, but somebody a long time ago, it seems, decided not to do it that way. And the whole world is suffering because of it."

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1191980)

Yes, I agree with him. If the CCP had stopped travel out of China at the same time it stopped travel inside China to and from Wuhan, we and the rest of the world would have been spared these unnecessary deaths.

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1191984)

I'm assuming that english is his first language and that he means what he wrote. A pandemic is not a fart and he was apprised of the possibility of this event both by the previous administration and his own. I'm assuming that if you take the job and the oath it's sort of like "The Buck Stops Here" not however far you can kick it down the road.

He didn't kick the can down the road. He acted on that which he had the responsibility to act. And he even took on much of the burdens that the states were responsible for. That it doesn't satisfy you is no surprise. It took a while to confirm that it was a pandemic. "Apprised of the possibility" is slippery English. And the apprising, as far as I know was in the form a pandemic protocol which nobody was acting on. The major portion of responsibility to be ready for a pandemic rested on the states. None were prepared. Nor did they act, nor did the previous administration act in preparation for the last seven years of its tenure. The WHO didn't act. Europe didn't act. No Dems were calling for action. The Press wasn't. All were downplaying it.

“I don’t take responsibility at all.”
Donald Trump

I believe he was referring to the shortage of test kits or supplies not replenished by the previous administration and the incompetence of the entrenched CDC bureaucracy to speedily produce them. His responsibility would have been to fix that. And he did. Not quickly enough to your liking, obviously.

There you go translating again, from english to excuse. There were no tests for an unknown virus prior to the tests being developed so how could any prior administration have any culpability in the failure of Trump* and his appointees to shepherd the testing thru the process. That's the job of an administrator, not the previous administration. If he was missing some supplies he had three years of which in two his party had control of both houses and the WH.

Trump didn't have the expertise to "shepherd" it through the process. But he did make it possible for non-government labs to start research on testing by removing an FDA regulation that prevented it. It took more time because of that and now we have massive testing capability.

U.S. intelligence agencies issued warnings about the novel coronavirus in more than a dozen classified briefings prepared for President Trump in January and February, months during which he continued to play down the threat, repeat and support Chinese propaganda.

What exactly were these warnings you keep talking about? Everybody else was playing down the threat, including the WHO, the Dems, the media, the medical experts.

He did everything his medical expert staff, Fauci, Birx, et al, asked him to do. WHO praised China and supported its propaganda (whatever that vague phrase means). And I don't know what Intelligence was saying and who else besides Trump knew.

The record does not support your statement. He is in charge, we have a much more robust surveillance apparatus than the WHO and they told him, the medical experts told him

What did they tell him?

Trump repeated more Chinese propaganda than the WHO and seems to have forgotten the written and video record of himself playing it down as have you.

Haven't forgot. Didn't make a count as to who did it most. Didn't think that it mattered. If WHO did it more you'd still attack Trump.

So he's correct when he said today that "There has been so much unnecessary death in this country. It could have been stopped and it could have been stopped short, but somebody a long time ago, it seems, decided not to do it that way. And the whole world is suffering because of it."

Yes, I agree with him. If the CCP had stopped travel out of China at the same time it stopped travel inside China to and from Wuhan, we and the rest of the world would have been spared these unnecessary deaths.


Pretty sad to complain that someone else let the horse out of the barn, when you did not insist on independent observers, removed the US government people implanted with Chinese agencies and failed to act.

The administration asked three times to allow the CDC to come to China to help with the situation there and were refused.

If Trump* had pushed the development of testing like the South Korean government did by calling in their private medical industry and saying we will need the tests, what do you need from us to develop them and how soon can you do it? Instead he had one of his cabinet take care of it and it seems never checked, therefor it's not his fault?

The FDA regulation had to be removed. It was. Testing development happened. By that time there was undoubtedly a huge infection problem. And yes, that's China's fault.

If Trump* had listened to his advisors and pushed social distancing and other measures weeks ahead of when he reluctantly did, the lives lost could easily have been cut in half.

Fauci and Birx said that Trump did everything they asked when they asked.

As it is he consistently fails to demonstrate the CDC recommendations, social distancing is incremental as is wearing a mask. Every little bit helps with community spread. It's not magic and a miracle is pretty unlikely.
He is a far cry from a capable leader, just a whining baby.
And you trust him to negotiate, he can't even answer tough questions.