The CBA may cover suspensions and may not allow disciplinary matters to go to court. They may have to be handled by the league. I don't know.

Speaking of the CBA
according to it, the commissioner is supposed to be the only person to hand out punishments not Troy Vincent.

just more stupidity in this whole mess

I am not blind, I know there are mistakes on both sides, but I believe Brady never said , inferred or expected anyone to let any air out of any balls after the ref checks them. It doesn't make any sense if you look at the amounts they were missing, a half a pound per square inch on only some of the balls???. But if you are a doubting Thomas and believe the inaccurate false early reports that 11 balls down 2 psi, that is your perogative. I will go by the facts and there is just too much biased agenda with Wells investigation. Brady's lawyer will spell it all out clearly and get this straightened out but it's too bad because people have already formed their opinions.

Slip, I think you just need a hug at this point. You seem very vulnerable and gullible. I am sure Aaron Hernandez would have really loved to see you as a juror. I love the Pats but would not actually swallow TB's load.
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Brilliant comparison. Is that original or a PaulS collaboration?

Stay classy Chris

So you'really a spitter. :-p
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Read Lester Munsons article on ESPN.COM about the text messages between McNally and Jastrmski following the Oct 17th game vs the Jets.and then go back and revise your opinion. Blind faith will only play you for a fool Bruce. Not a big deal but certainly hard to explain,even for a homer like you.
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Since your fanboy faith in Brady seems to have blinded you, we were trying to come up w/something you could understand.

Admittedly, I thought Lance was spelled Lanse.

no blind faith here Chris, I read the so called evidence, I also came to the same conclusion that many others have. that the NFL and Wells went into this with only one thing in mind, to nail Brady and the Pats so they used everything they could to twist their opinions and that includes media leaks also. Did you know that Mike Kensil said to a patriots person right after they measured the balls that " you guys are in big F'in trouble"? sounds like opinion formed already to me. This guys article asks questions that have been answered, he is just writing it to see it the way the NFL saw it from the beginning. Brady's texts were already in Wells' possession and he had no texts to or from McNally, the writer makes it seem worse by exaggerating just like the media all like to do.
Just because the Patriots are consistent winners, they have been branded as cheaters by all the others who cry because they don't always win, it's pretty pathetic. You don't see the SD Chargers getting fined that much, getting suspensions, or losing draft picks or 4 million dollar investigations over their 2012 ball tampering incident do you? Did they say the Chargers were in big F'in trouble when they officials actually saw in person them tampering with the balls? NO, they aren't the Patriots.
It's all assumptions Chris, no evidence.

Did you know that Dean Blandino the head of officials lied about knowing about the Colts questioning the air pressure of Pats balls before the game? The head official lied about knowing beforehand!!! do you think they were trying to cover something up? There is email evidence to prove this, actual proof.

those texts do not prove anything about Tom ordering those 2 to conspire to let air out after an official approved game balls.

I believe the air pressure data shows that atmospheric conditions can account for lower air pressure. It's pretty friggin simple.

I read all the stuff on this, I am not changing my mind unless there is some actual proof he lied.

So your assumption is they acted on their own and Brady had nothing to do with it? I think you are a little smarter than that. Maybe the conspiracy has them setting up Tom terrific lol.
I am not saying the punishment fits the crime here. I am just certain there was a crime and that it was orchestrated by TB. Big crime? No. In fact it is detailed that there is a 25k fine for this offense. Yes I know the country hates the Pats the same way the Celts and Yankees were hated. Win that long and you wear a bullseye. I get it. I also am aware there was no murder weapon found in the Hernandez case but there was enough circumstantial evidence to convict him. I also think we were set up to an extent,but were too infallible to pay attention. The answer he gave at the press conference after he was asked if he cheated..."I don't think so"

BTW, branding us as cheaters had nothing to do with spy gate but the shoe still fit.
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...or perhaps they just did nothing illegal. I'm shocked that locker room attendants would be talking about their job...shocked.

his answer just shows his astonishment at being called a cheater.

did you read the report?

no, I don't think Mcnally acted alone. He did not deflate balls in the bathroom so didn't act all nevermind alone. The air pressure loss is clearly accounted for by science but Wells made his biased decision to negate Walt Anderson's best recollection that he measured the balls pregame using the gauge with the Wilson logo. This is the same Walt Anderson who Wells defended as his integrity and respect was second to none, OK but Wells chose to go against that since it doesn't suit Wells' agenda.

I am smart and I think there can also be texts from those 2 about deflation and inflation. The preparation includes pumping air in and letting air out along with the rubbing and surface prep so everyone should just get over themselves. Nothing happened to the air, it was still in the balls. In fact, they should have measured them again after the game after they returned to the exact temp. they were before the game, but they did not so that doesn't help.

People always have to knock the guy or team at the top just like the doubters that doubt world record fish holders.

you believe whatever you want to believe, but if you based your opinion on a couple of texts, then maybe you need to read everything again.

According to Adam Scheffter, the NFL requested they be suspended, and the Patriots granted their request.
Like I said, they did nothing to the air
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And now, Act 3 The Owners Meetings and Back-Channel Negotiations

Nothing to see here......we have deflated footballs to talk about...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/arrests/

So they agreed to suspend two employees who they felt had nothing to do with this bc the balls where deflated "due to science"?

Nice way to treat your employees.

super point

Employees were fired because they were idiots, stealing sneakers and jackets!

If Brady is innocent the Patriots have really screwed this whole thing up by not simply having "the deflator" come out and say he was trying to get the balls to 12.5 and Brady didn't know he was doing it illegally.

In addition, the NFL has screwed this thing up from the start with false pressure readings being leaked to media, the Wells report accepting everything of the ref Anderson's testimony as fact, but the actual gage he used to measure the pressure. Some of the Colts balls were underinflated on one of the gages too.

This is so frickin stupid!!

i think a non HATER impartial Judge will feel the same.

Brady is a cheap bastard.
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He also had real accusers with evidence of wrongdoing. Not leaks that were 100% FALSE intended to sway public favor away from the individual being Questioned. Brady has never ONCE been subject of league discipline. In a 15 year career. It is about more than sitting down for a game or four.

We have a report with guesses that favor the league which has given Wells 45 yes FORTY FIVE million dollars for two investigations!!! Reported by Adam Schefter this AM. He also reported the league told the Patriots to suspend McNally and Jastremski. Also makes Patriots look bad (pin the blame on the little guy).

The longer this goes on and the more FACTUAL info that is released the more it looks like the league is railroading the Pats.

Fans across the country rejoice you can now rationalize that a fraction of a PSI is why your team is not competitive year after year.
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Since I was young I have learned that where there is smoke you will usually find fire
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Which if you remember correctly was 100% admitted to and Belichick felt he had mis interpreted the rules. Not to mention the entire country created BS about locker room microphones and taped practices and Goodell and Kraft conspired to destroy the tapes.

Why would these guys go to the gallows over the PSI of footballs when they have been fully cooperative in the past. The whole thing stinks
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I agree with you but my question is who is holding the matches. I honestly do not beleive there was in any way an attempt to play with substandard equipment. I beleive the intent was to have the equipment at 12.5 or what ever the minimum is and through investigation assumptions have been made regarding very pertinent, pieces of equipment (air gauges) which one was used where and when on which footballs at which time, intent of texts. Every time a text suited the NFL's argument it was factual, every time it favored the patriots wells assumed it was a joke.

I feel like the texts were banter between two guys that were screwing around for a laugh at their employers expense. You're telling me neither of these guys would have come forward with something concrete at this point.
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No comments about Mr. Kraft's decision today from all the Pats Homers or was there a mass suicide ?
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No one said they agreed
They went along with it as requested, the NFL can't suspend employees of teams themselves.
What does it matter

Now Kraft is dropping the hose job they have received but Brady sure won't
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No, it makes perfect sense.

Kraft is heading to the owners meeting and doesn't want to look like he's gone rogue given his leadership position, in fact, now he can position himself as taking one for the owners and generate sympathy...his support for Brady has never wavered.

The union on the other hand moves forward with the appeal to protect the player who's been wronged.

It's just a classic good cop bad cop.

This was Kraftys confession
Or concession
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[QUOTE=spence;1073031]No, it makes perfect sense.

Kraft is heading to the owners meeting and doesn't want to look like he's gone rogue given his leadership position, in fact, now he can position himself as taking one for the owners and generate sympathy...his support for Brady has never wavered.



1 million dollar fine, loss of a 1st round draft pick next year and a 4th the year after and labeled cheaters.......

Keep telling yourself that Spence :rollem:

Not everyone is lining up to be Al Davis
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Just win baby !
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This move by Kraft does anything but show support for Brady. The union also appealed the punishment for Rice and Peterson who they also felt had been wronged. Move along Jeff,nothing to see here anymore.
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Earlier in the week ESPN said there was "back channel" discussions bt the NFL and Pats. about this. They prob. ended up agreeing that the Pats would drop their appeal and Brady's suspension will be shortened.

I don't even think that's the big difference. If Lance didn't blood dope and use EPO, well, if Lance and his entire teams didn't blood dope and use EPO his number of TDF victories would most likely be ZERO.

God forbid Brady did tweak his ball pressure he's still most likely a repeat Super Bowl Champion.

Even uttering their names in the same sentence is offensive.

It's a pretty obvious negotiation. Keep down this road and you're going to be a full fledged Jets fan pretty soon.

In the context where they each did something wrong(which Kraft basically conceded) and then denied it,there are parallels.
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I agree about the negotiation and desperately attempting to allow TB to save face somehow. Does clarity make me a Jets fan in your world?

So we lose a #1 and 4. Pay the largest fine ever in the NFL ,yet we admitted nothing? If Brady's suspension is reduced does that mean he is innocent? What a world you live in....stay golden Jeff
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Good lord that's a loose standard.

this may sound strange
but i envisioned 1 million junior (kids) Patriot fans
sending a single dollar via US Mail to Uncle Bob Kraft
from their little Piggy banks..... ( to thumb nose the NFL)
then Owner Kraft Matches the Million
and uses it to make the team EVEN Better

It's a business decision, sometimes it's just easier to let it go than fight. Doesn't mean you're guilty.

Either Kraft struck a deal or there's a yet to be revealed smoking gun.