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Jim in CT 02-29-2016 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1094937)
voters and become intelligent just because they Voted White I meant GOP???

Are you feeling OK? Your side has Hilary and Bernie.

The other side has Cruz, Rubio, Ben Carson.

Which side is whiter?

I await your honest, thoughtful reply. Good lord.

Jim in CT 02-29-2016 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1094941)
Wait . . . Hillary is not white?

Maybe he heard her pandering to blacks by switching to a jive dialect at one of her speeches and, assuming no one could be that condescending, he assumed she really is black.

The Dad Fisherman 02-29-2016 10:12 PM

I think we traded for Micheal Jackson and gave them a "Player to be Named Later"........so we are in the process of completing the trade. Hillary is "Dat Playah"
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scottw 03-01-2016 04:05 AM

ha..ha..ha...stupid MSNBC talking heads...when things don't go the way you planned



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nolb...ature=youtu.be

scottw 03-01-2016 05:18 AM

Obamacare...here's a shocker

http://freebeacon.com/issues/officia...-on-the-brink/

buckman 03-01-2016 06:54 AM

Looking forward to casting my vote for Bernie today 👍
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Nebe 03-01-2016 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1094959)
Looking forward to casting my vote for Bernie today 👍
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:shocked:
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PaulS 03-01-2016 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1094937)
Sadly I agree ... will the Right blame these uninformed/uneducated voters for the last two presidential elections. when trump gets to the white house due to them or will they suddenly stop being uninformed and uneducated voters and become intelligent just because they Voted White I meant GOP???

http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/...y-affiliation/

Meanolpah 03-01-2016 08:01 AM

All of you genius' are gonna crap your pants when Trump is your leader. I support him all the way.

I'm not a rascist, I am a realist. This country is REALLY effed up, time to shake it up!

Love that you more intelligent folks, can tell exactly who is supporting Trump.

Guess I'm just a dumbass, uneducated, rascist. Too bad, I thought I was pretty ok. I'll take your word for it guys, you are smart, I am stupid. BUT my team is going to win, and yours is Shrillery the ENABLER.

Maybe the Shrill, is really the stupid one out of all of us. 1. Bill 2. Benghazi 3. Bill 4. emails 5. these suits she is wearing have to go. 6. she is a wall street suck up. with zero true business experience.

And lastly, she is the leader of the politically correct wave. They spend more time worrying about bullies than they do about defeating our enemies.

Trump is going to crush her in the general, woo hoo

buckman 03-01-2016 08:03 AM

Interesting to hear The statistics for Massachusetts this morning . The Democrat party lost 30,000 last year. 1/3 of those reenrolled as Republicans .
I love how the left throws out the word "uneducated " , as if it's some indicator of smarts. Ironically these are the same people complaining that they are crushed by student loans , that they can't afford to repay . Education they couldn't afford was only there first mistake in life .
I prefer to surround myself with people with common sense and open minds
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buckman 03-01-2016 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1094960)
:shocked:
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It's my anti Hillary vote .
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scottw 03-01-2016 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1094937)
Sadly I agree ... will the Right blame these uninformed/uneducated voters for the last two presidential elections. when trump gets to the white house due to them or will they suddenly stop being uninformed and uneducated voters and become intelligent just because they Voted White I meant GOP???

I don't think when Dennis wrote "uninformed and uneducated voters", he meant they didn't go to school or weren't intelligent, I think he meant they weren't necessarily politically astute or don't spend/invest considerable time into the political process which is why so many can't make up their minds each election cycle between two candidates with polar opposite views...but we still hear demands that they all get out and vote don't we?:bl:

like Dennis I'm thoroughly enjoying this go round....I don't like Trump but he's as close as you can get to actually waterboarding a leftist or a Republican establishment type and the MSM... which is endlessly amusing

Jim in CT 03-01-2016 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1094965)

Paul, earlier i asked you this question...other than public perception, what evidence is there, that democrats care any more about blacks, than republicans? I didn't see a response.

Paul, when I see what has happened here in CT, to places like Bridgeport and Hartford, controlled by Democrats for a generation, it makes me sick. I look at these failing cities, and I feel that (1) these people deserve better, and (2) whatever the leaders are doing, it clearly isn't working, so let's try something else, anything else.

Please tell me, how that makes me racist.

I think I can make a compelling case that for ANY Dempocratic leader of these cities to say with a straight face "elect me, because I am doing a good job representing you, and what you deserve, is more of the same"...I can make a case THAT is the person who obviously doesn't care about these people.

You cannot make that wrong. You just can't. And that's the agony and irony in all of this...it's what the Tea Party endorses, which is what blacks need to embrace to not just survive, but to start climbinbg th economic ladder. It worked when Bill Clinton did it.

Jim in CT 03-01-2016 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1094971)
I love how the left throws out the word "uneducated " , as if it's some indicator of smarts. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Obama is the personification of the notion that there's a big difference between being educated and being smart. "I can add millions of uninsured to the health insurance rolls, and cover more things, and remove lifetime caps on insurance benefits, and that will lower costs by $2,500 per family".

Genius.

spence 03-01-2016 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1094910)
If I asked you, or Spence, or Rockhound this question, how would you respond? Here's the question - please tell me what evidence there is, other than popular perception, that liberals care more about blacks than conservatives do? Seriously, how would you respond to that?

Oh lookie, a political scientist studied this issue...

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s4/sh...713003733a.pdf

scottw 03-01-2016 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1094974)

Paul, when I see what has happened here in CT .

http://patch.com/connecticut/ridgefi...t-skyrockets-0

buckman 03-01-2016 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1094976)
Oh lookie, a political scientist studied this issue...

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s4/sh...713003733a.pdf

Your link doesn't work either
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wdmso 03-01-2016 08:22 AM

for the Trump lovers among us .. and others you should see this clip very funny from John Oliver .. this is not news but it is factual

its the Actual things trump has said and done in the clip that should alarm the Trump Faithful ..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ

scottw 03-01-2016 08:22 AM

my proud communist friend was very confident that Trump would be the next President, and he's never wrong...just ask him ;)

scottw 03-01-2016 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1094981)
for the Trump lovers among us .. and others you should see this clip very funny from John Oliver .. this is not news but it is factual

its the Actual things trump has said and done in the clip that should alarm the Trump Faithful ..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ

oh good...is this the new snarky comedian that leftist will roll out to make all of their "points"? :rotf3:

this is not news but it is factual....love that...


hey Spence....that's all been taken out of context ...right???

PaulS 03-01-2016 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1094971)
Interesting to hear The statistics for Massachusetts this morning . The Democrat party lost 30,000 last year. 1/3 of those reenrolled as Republicans .
I love how the left throws out the word "uneducated " , as if it's some indicator of smarts. Ironically these are the same people complaining that they are crushed by student loans , that they can't afford to repay . Education they couldn't afford was only there first mistake in life .
I prefer to surround myself with people with common sense and open minds
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I think you need to go back and see who threw out the word uneducated (and uninformed).

Jim in CT 03-01-2016 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1094954)
ha..ha..ha...stupid MSNBC talking heads...when things don't go the way you planned



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nolb...ature=youtu.be

Oh, that restored my belief in a benign God!

Of course, she had to say "of course, a majority of trump's supporters are not African Americans".

I have news for that MENSA candidate...neither are a majority of Barack Obama's supporters.

When you cannot win the debate on the merits of your ideas (and liberals rarely can), ALWAYS resort to the race card. Always.

Nebe 03-01-2016 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1094972)
It's my anti Hillary vote .
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High five!
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Jim in CT 03-01-2016 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1094976)
Oh lookie, a political scientist studied this issue...

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s4/sh...713003733a.pdf

Your link doesn't work. Can you give me the cliffs notes version?

Jim in CT 03-01-2016 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1094954)
ha..ha..ha...stupid MSNBC talking heads...when things don't go the way you planned



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nolb...ature=youtu.be


In a related story, The Narrative was rushed to the hospital via LifeStar helicopter, but was pronounced dead on arrival.

The Dad Fisherman 03-01-2016 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1094976)
Oh lookie, a political scientist studied this issue...

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s4/sh...713003733a.pdf

For a minute I thought this might have been hosted on Hillarys server and she deleted it by mistake.
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spence 03-01-2016 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1094992)
Your link doesn't work. Can you give me the cliffs notes version?

Try this one...

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s4/sh...c3e7a9ef680b41

Jim in CT 03-01-2016 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1095003)

I saw notihng in there that explains why blacks in places in Hartford and Bridgeport, are better off under Democratic leadership, than they would be under Republican leadership.

Sorry Spence. You can't measure what doesn't exist, and no data exists to tell us whether or not the people of Hartford would be better off if the Tea Party was running the show. There is overwhelming empirical evidence to show that after 40 yeras of Democrat rule, they are far worse off. It's possible that conservatives would have done even worse, but we can't know. Because pepole like you cannot say out loud, that what we have been doing, has been a disaster. And somehow, you think that means you care more about them than I do.

Have fun with that.

detbuch 03-01-2016 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1095003)

This article, claiming to be an objective, empirical, study is basically a selective statistical apologetic for what you might call "old news." It is an attempt to validate government hegemony above individual effort. There is no evaluation of cultural differences and their impact; no weight given to economic disparity within minority groups and the individual efforts therein creating the intra-group income inequality as well as the unequal status and health due to individual differences therein.

It is a "study" that promotes egalitarian group think. That is evident toward the beginning when it states that "The Republican Party’s efforts to end slavery under Abraham Lincoln are the most obvious example of one party favoring a more racially egalitarian agenda than the other party." That is a subtle twist which casts Lincoln's abolishment of slavery as something it was not. It was not about egalitarianism. It was about liberty. Abe did not think blacks were "equal" to whites in an egalitarian sense, but that they should be so before the law.

And it is a testimonial for a "democracy" which is propped up by the Progressive version of an Administrative State. It gives lip service to Congress and the Courts, but lays the power of guiding the state almost exclusively in the hands of the chief administrator, the President. It rightly avoids our idea of a Constitutional Republic, because that obviously is not about the equality of groups, rather it is about unalienable rights of individuals. He says "We focus on the President because that office stands at the top of American Democracy." He claims that " The extent of Presidential power is an open question. . . There is a long-standing debate about the relative influence of Congress and the President." He claims a long-standing debate and bows to a hierarchy neither of which exist in our Constitution.

And the President he says, importantly for his thesis, is the head of a Political Party. He curiously says "The political parties created democracy." And that parties serve interests. This is the very factionalism that the Founders warned against and whose influence Madison said would be nullified because their large number and diversity would work against each other. But the two party system changes that as it subsumes the diverse factions and creates the binary factional war that could, as the Founders warned, destroy the Republic.

He attributes the closing of gaps between groups to Party policies. He says "Because the kinds of redistributional efforts (e.g.) taxing and spending tend to fluctuate extensively from administration to administration, they are, in our opinion, among the most logical sources of minority gains and losses across different administrations." That is, it is government redistributive policies, not cultural nor even individual differences within and between groups that determine the well-being of "groups." That is, dependence on government is the key to success. And the right President, the right Administration, will provide that for us.

The author says, "The more we can do to link minority outcomes to specific policy measures, the more we will be able to help disadvantaged minorities. In an age of growing inequality and sharp racial divisions in the vote, it is imperative that we use our research capacities 'to scrutinize the health of our democracy' and to look for avenues to restore its vitality"

It is amazing that our "democracy" has lost its vitality in spite of all the past policy measures. Maybe it is a because of them?

The article ends "If voters cannot tell whom government has helped and whom it has hurt, they will not know which party to reward and which to punish. . . . By assessing the relative gains and losses of different groups under competing regimes, scholars can contribute substantially to a healthy democracy."

It is the "competing regimes" and the scholars who assess them, that we (as "groups") must depend on--for a healthy democracy. But if a democracy is rule by majority, isn't it the perspective of that majority that determines what is healthy? And isn't that the rub in democracy? The majority determines who to reward and who to punish. If Latinos, as projected, become the majority, will they try to equalize the gaps, or use their power for advantage? Isn't individual liberty a better goal than group egalitarianism?

JohnR 03-01-2016 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1094973)
like Dennis I'm thoroughly enjoying this go round....I don't like Trump but he's as close as you can get to actually waterboarding a leftist or a Republican establishment type and the MSM... which is endlessly amusing

Trump being elected Emperor of the Galactic Empire is worth it for that little quote. Can I steal that?

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1094972)
It's my anti Hillary vote .
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It is OK - if you are a Democrat you can vote more than once.

scottw 03-02-2016 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1095049)

Trump being elected Emperor of the Galactic Empire is worth it for that little quote. Can I steal that?

he's a great argument against the left's and some on the right's desire to expand executive power, ignoring Congress when they don't agree with him... and broadening the role, scope and expense of government, weakening the Constitution and favoring Federal control and mandate, is he not?...the dems were happy to have all of this occur under Obama but seem terrified at the prospect of someone hostile to THEM having the same powers.....interesting:huh:

spence 03-02-2016 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1095022)
It is an attempt to validate government hegemony above individual effort.

I think the premise is pretty simple. Some have done better under democrat leadership and that's why they tend to prefer it. I didn't see the word hegemony in the report, but to be honest I didn't read the entire thing.

buckman 03-02-2016 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1095063)
I think the premise is pretty simple. Some have done better under democrat leadership and that's why they tend to prefer it. I didn't see the word hegemony in the report, but to be honest I didn't read the entire thing.

Wall Street's doing well
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scottw 03-02-2016 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1095063)
I didn't see the word hegemony in the report, but to be honest I didn't read the entire thing.

this is not a surprise:rolleyes:...particularly for someone who constantly chastises others for supposedly not reading the links they post

spence 03-02-2016 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1095066)
Wall Street's doing well
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Still clutching that Sanders flyer from yesterday I see. Soon you and Nebe will be sharing an Occupy tent.

buckman 03-02-2016 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1095069)
Still clutching that Sanders flyer from yesterday I see. Soon you and Nebe will be sharing an Occupy tent.

😂 You're the one that has been bragging how well Wall Street has been doing the last few years under Obama . Oh yeah people working for the government have been doing amazingly well also .
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spence 03-02-2016 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1095072)
😂 You're the one that has been bragging how well Wall Street has been doing the last few years under Obama. Oh yeah people working for the government have been doing amazingly well also .
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I thought federal unions were outraged at Obama's last planned increase?

You do realize that government workers under Obama have gone down during his presidency right? I believe nearly 3/4 of a million people at the fed, state and local levels.

detbuch 03-02-2016 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1095063)
I think the premise is pretty simple.

Too simple to the point that it is simple-minded. It promotes the simple-minded notion that the study's "objective, empirical" statistics show that government policies are responsible for those stats. Yet, the very same statistics could be used to back up an argument that white Americans are the superior race. And that blacks are dumb as a rock.

There are many other factors that go into those statistics. And trying to "close the gap" by government spending and taxing in order to shape group behavior can be the proverbial putting lipstick on a pig. It doesn't change deeper underlying causes. And worse, it creates a dependence on the lipstick.


Some have done better under democrat leadership and that's why they tend to prefer it.

Again, the statistics are too simple, too broad. Internal statistics could show that "groups," on average, do better because some within those groups have benefited. Many blacks, for instance, have improved financially because they were preferentially hired by Federal, State, and local governments. Large cities with majority black population, like Detroit for instance, became basically a black civil service workforce. That provided higher paying jobs for those blacks working in the government. Those blacks did way "better" than most other people in the city. But the rest of the black Detroiters, the vast majority, did not advance because of it. Yet, the overall average in black pay scale was elevated. And the very same thing would have happened if the blacks had all voted Republican rather than Democrat. The key was that blacks became the majority.

The current Democrat leadership doesn't seem to have "closed the gap," so I don't know how that would affect the study's stats.


I didn't see the word hegemony in the report, but to be honest I didn't read the entire thing.

There were a lot of words I used that were not in the report. If I had used the same words as those in the report, I might have just rewritten the report.

The words (which are chock full of statisms such as "democracy" rather than Republic, "egalitarianism" rather than liberty, "groups" rather than individualism) used to craft the report, reputedly to help minorities choose the right party to advance their well-being, actually promotes racial political warfare rather than creating a color blind society. It promotes political factionalism and majoritarianism. It promotes dependence on government to shape lives. It devalues to the point of eliminating the importance of individual initiative and cultural values. It is the selective, slanted, statistically perfect divide and conquer storm which helps to finally transform us from a once constitutional Republic into an all-powerful, centralized, administrative State.

buckman 03-02-2016 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1095077)
I thought federal unions were outraged at Obama's last planned increase?

You do realize that government workers under Obama have gone down during his presidency right? I believe nearly 3/4 of a million people at the fed, state and local levels.

Yet the cost government continues to go through the roof. Debt continues to accumulate and what we ( The 47% ) get for our tax dollars continues to decline .
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scottw 03-02-2016 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1095077)

You do realize that government workers under Obama have gone down during his presidency right? I believe nearly 3/4 of a million people at the fed, state and local levels.

and which Obama policy resulted in this reduction??


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