Very, very interesting--Former "antifa style" radical speaks out. WDMSO--watch the whole damn thing . . . then damn it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN2ZTpqr8sQ

So for the 3rd time - how are the Nazi's and KKK "fine" people in VA.

I know President Trump has reposted things from Neo Nazi sites in the past but can someone pls. explain how they are fine people and how did he know that?

He says that they are fine because he was told that doing so is a perfect political tactic to further divide the people of this country and rally his base of white conservative voters who are threatened and scared of people of color and people who are not like them coming in and taking over.

He gets to rally his base and distract everyone from the real problems that are going on....

Sad.
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Paul,
From what I understood and the way I interpreted his statement was that there were residents at the protest who were not white supremacists or KKK members and who legitimately did not want the statues removed. There were no doubt others at the protest who wanted the statues removed but were not necessarily members of Antifa (like the young women who was killed). These people/groups could be what Trump considered "fine" people. Just ordinary Americans who picked a side and did not resort to violence.

That's what most people, without a bitter hatred for Trump, took it to mean as well.

I think that is too nuanced for Pres. Trump.

Does that mean I have a bitter hatred for him?

"So for the 3rd time - how are the Nazi's and KKK "fine" people in VA"

They aren't. The ones who truly are Nazis and KKK, are bad people. Fair enough?

Was every single person protesting the removal of the statues, a Nazi or a Klansmen? I don't know. Condaleeza Rice is adamantly opposed to removing the statues, but didn't march for it. Does that make her a Nazi or a Klansman?

I don't know that anyone is saying that white supremacists are morally superior to the ANTIFA anarchists. Can't we say they are both bad? Maybe not equally bad, but both bad nonetheless?

BINGO.

There are more than 15 historical videos of Trump explicitly condemning David Duke, the Klan, white supremacists, and Nazis, etc...

Given that, is it really beyond your reach, to fathom that Trump was referring to people who don't want the statues removed, but who aren't Nazis or in the Klan?

Are you saying you don't?

^^^^

The people that deplore the violent right + Nazis + KKK and deplore the violent left + commies + anarchists. Those people that are in the middle and some will promote keeping of historical monuments and some will promote removal of said historical monuments.

Yes - most of us knew what it meant. Some, I'll bet, clearly knew what it meant but thrashed anyway

Not even close. I haven't called him a POS, posted unflattering pictures or mocked him, called him out for petty things (well occasionally), etc. (of which we had 8 years here of that w/Obama) with little if any push back or criticism except from a few of us. I do think he is not very smart, has no strategy, the WH is in a constant state of turmoil, and he appeals to racists (I'm sure we'll hear about that here).

I call out his constant lying and many times point out people's double standards.

Many members of his own party (and cabinet) have called him out for his statements and the seemingly moral equivalency he tried to make.

Yes, antifa/anarchists are bad when they resort to violence but they don't have a history of killings like the KKK or Nazis so I wouldn't put them in the same sentence as Nazis. And I'm not here to defend them in any way - just comment on what our Pres. said.

"I do think he is not very smart" Agreed.

"has no strategy" Disagree. But he's figuring out that unlike in the business world, he can't wave his hand and make everything happen that he wants to happen.

"the WH is in a constant state of turmoil" Absolutely agree.

"appeals to racists " It appeals to some kooks. If we hold presidents accountable for the actions of those they appeal to, you must have some harsh words for Obama about the cop assassinations that spiked at the end of his second term?

"It doesn't make her a nazi and no one called her that. But if she was there to protest the removal and heard the vile chants about Jews and kept marching and didn't leave that would make her complicit"

Agreed. Well said.

"I think a fair interpretation of what Pres. Trump said was that they were equal in some way"

Most of the criticism I saw, was that he sympathized with the Nazis, and I think that was a looney tunes interpretation of what he said. He condemned violence and bigotry on all sides. Paul, if you look at what he has historically said on video, he condemns white supremacists again and again and again. Sure, he could have used better language to single out the Nazis. But it's quite a leap from that, to saying he sympathizes with them.

As usual, his language choice could have been better. That will be a very consistent criticism of the man.

Nazis don't have the same history of killing people as Commies?

Or Make Believe Nazis (the kind we really have) don't have much a history of killing, no more than the Make Believe Commies.

I do think there is enough chance for real violence on the hard right Nazi/Klan types, just as there is from the Commie/Marxist/Anarchist bend.

Should take a close look at the Socialist Rifle Association, Redneck Revolt, and John Brown Gun Club. No better, or IMO, different, than militarized NeoNazis.

Take a look at anyone you want. Anyone who commits violence is the same. But in our country the far right has committed more violence than the far left.

I'm more concerned about our President's reaction to Charlottesville.

Errr, I don't know if the far right has committed more than the far left. Send them both to the klink - IF and WHEN - they have committed violence, and after proper justice.

I am more concerned about a bunch of anarchists and young Marxists running around as an army wanting revolution.

I don't think we will ever know what percentage of the protesters were average Joe's and Janes with old southern roots, that didn't want to see part of their history torn down.

I just think Trump's mouth is so far ahead of common sense that he can't help setting himself up for constant criticism from the press. It was a very bad time to make that statement, that point might have been made separately at a later debate, one tied strictly to the reasoning for removing these historical statues.

"But in our country the far right has committed more violence than the far left. "

That is very, very debatable. Depends on whether you are talking about frequency, severity, deaths, etc. Today, where is widespread violence committed by the right, other than one incident (and one is too many) in Charlotesville?

Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter, cop assassinations, riots every time a white cop kills someone of color...of course there are radical righties who commit suicide, but there aren't large groups, large organizations of conservatives dedicated to anarchy.

"I'm more concerned about our President's reaction to Charlottesville"

He condemns all violence and bigotry. What an atrocious position to take.

We can disagree bc at this point I 'm more concerned w/a bunch of Neo Nazis and KKK.

The Nazis and KKK have almost no voice, almost no platform. Granted, even one of them is too many, but how much do we feel their presence, really, in terms of violence they carry out? No one gives them a microphone, no one takes them seriously, they are condemned everywhere, even by the president.

It's not a rising movement that has any momentum whatsoever. Compare that to BLM, ANTIFA, the maniacs who riot every time a conservative has the audacity to open his mouth on a college campus.

Ben Shapiro is a conservative speaker, he's not overly insulting, he's not remotely like Ann Coulter or that Milo guy, not nearly that inflammatory, he graduated from Harvard, which liberals usually associate with people who are very smart. He's going to be at Berkley in September, giving a talk about conservative principles. Watch what happens.

Joe McCarthy did not make up commies. He was way, way more right about the commies than wrong. The commie infiltration had even been worse than he imagined. He was smeared by made up lies. This has been documented.

And when the KKK killed most of the people that they did, they were solidly Democrat. And, no, the Dems and Repubs did not "switch." The Dems did not suddenly become Republican, nor did the Repubs suddenly become Democrat. If we want to talk about making something up, the "switch" is a made up story. If anything, when VOTERS, especially younger ones, in the South saw the Progressive mentality of the Dems, they started to vote more for the party that represented conservative American values. The Republican Party did not switch. It did not suddenly become Progressive. And, what is not mentioned by the "switch" believers, the South became less racist after it became Republican.

Both parties were evolving and changing. Both started moving to the left. That move has been almost constant in the last couple of decades. The Dems are pretty far left now, the Repubs are moderately so.

It is difficult for Trump to react well when the media is all over him both justly and unjustly. He never got a fair chance though I still think he would have screwed it up.

You're more OK with a violent left revolution?


Neither side is to be given shelter to their ideas.

I never said that so in what post did you think I said it?

I clearly stated any violence is not good but I was more concerned w/the Nazis, KKK than with Antifa (which I view as a group formed against the growing presence of right wing hate groups).

The problem lies in what your definition of "Right Wing Hate Groups" are versus what their definition of "Right Wing Hate Groups" are.

Sure you did... and so did he .... but thats not the real issue now is it... It amazing to see all the push back against Trump and his Comment "Trump when he called out all sides for violence. " From all sides R and D and from leaders around the world on his statement
or was that Fake news?

Its like climate change Conservatives love to find one needle in a Hay stack staying its not happening due to human activity and push that narrative over and over and now you see the same again parsing words to tell us what Trump he ment to say and how everyone doesn't give a chance ..

it get old just like when a friend brings their kid over. who's a Spoiled Brat screaming and crying and the Parents just Say Jonny is just tired .. Some here need to stop being Trumps parents He's not tired

You are more concerned with NeoNazis then a leftist revolution. I see both as abhorrent and incompatible with common decency. When they get violent, people die and neither one of those true believers really care.

Antifa has historical roots in communism / marxism "uniting" against fascism and appeals to commies and anarchists (that love to rally against anything). Professional Ideological schitt stirrers.

Trump gets criticism by those "some here" when he deserves it. On the other hand, there are "some here" who see everything he says and does as being wrong, racist, homophobic, sexist, yada, yada, yada--that is the fake news.

The liberal doomsayers who would have us believe that there is a racial divide in this country, or a gender divide, or any other kind of divide, are deliberately sowing the seeds of division for their own nefarious purpose. The next time anyone tries to sell you that particular bill of goods, ask that person to explain this photograph from the wake of Hurricane Harvey. It screams of love, duty, and quiet heroism. And it spits a huge loogey right in the face of much that is at the core of liberalism. When your ideology is annihilated by something so fundamentally human (a baby sleeping through a crisis, a loving mom holding the baby to her heart, and a strong man carrying them to safety), it's time to find a new ideology.

funny.

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It is LONG past time to tell the people who make a living by fanning the flames of racial tension, to go jump in a lake.

I am starting to remember, deep in my core, what unites us as Americans.

Your photo is better than mine. Thanks for sharing.

when race hustlers seek to promote division because it is politically expedient, it is everyone's duty to stop listening.

I always thought you should judge a man by the quality of his character and not the color of his skin. That used to be the right thing to do.

All of a sudden it wasn't anymore....don't know when that happened, but we need to go back to that.

It happened at the end of Bush 43's first term. Those that run the Democratic Party, with their pals in the media and academia, figured that if they splintered off enough "victim" groups to account for 51% of the voters, and pit them against everyone else, that would help them win. Especially in the wake of the Gulf War becoming unpopular.

It worked for awhile at the national level, not sure it ever worked at the state level. At this point, it's all they have, so they just scream "hate crime!" louder and louder, every time they don't get their way.
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Couple quick thoughts. Thanks John for your definition if there is a lefty Revolution I would be just as concerned as I am about white supremacist neo-nazis and the KKK. The other post made me laugh yep all the Democrats all their fault. Had nothing to do with white push back to Obama. Donald Trump and is birther / / Muslim has not had nothing to do with it. Just because there's a white guy helping some black guys and a black guy helping some white guys all is all is copacetic. We still have a president who tried explaining away neo-nazis by every time he criticized them added something about the left. Look at how much hate crimes have been committed by the left and the right and tell me it's the left's fault.
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Talking into the phone so forgive some of the typos. It's hilarious when I read people saying there's no division yet those are the same people who post more than anyone else. Got a cousin on Facebook who share's Fox News 5 times a day then he'll post a picture similar to the picture Jim did and say why is there so much division in this country. See we all get along .

We're redoing the bathroom so my wife has three mirrors I'm going to give him one because evidently he does not have a mirrore in his house
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"Had nothing to do with white push back to Obama"

The notion that there was widespread white pushback to Obama, is bullsh*t. Yes, of course in a nation of 300 million people who are free to act they way they want, there are some vile people out there. But among political pundits, the leaders of the party, resistance to Obama was ideological, not racist. Your post here, just proved my point. Your side is hell-bent on convincing themselves, that everyone who disagrees with you, has some kind of character flaw, based on hatred.

95% of blacks voted for Obama. I can make a MUCH stronger case that there was black pushback to McCain and Romney, than anyone can make that there was widespread "white" pushback to Obama.

"Donald Trump and is birther / / Muslim has not had nothing to do with it"

Of course that has something to do with it. It's totally legit to call Trump a birther and a jerk. Your side takes it further, and says that everyone who votes for Trump, necessarily agrees with everything he says and does. Again, anything to help bolster the case that there really is a divide.

"We still have a president who tried explaining away neo-nazis by every time he criticized them added something about the left"

Demonstrably false. There are many instances of Trump denouncing racists, where he said nothing about the left. They just don't talk about that, where you get your news. Google all the times Trump has denounced David Duke, Nazis, and the Klan.

Trump is ONE MAN. Not everyone who voted for him, is responsible for everything he says and does. Did the media say that everyone who voted for Hilary, has no sympathy for the victims of sexual assault? Hilary went on national TV and slut-shamed her husband's victims, and not once did I hear anyone in the mainstream media claim that everyone who voted for her, is heartless towards victims of sexual assault. Why is that? Can you explain? Hilary is married to a predator, she lied to defend him, and she attacked his victims. Yet no one claims that everyone who voted for her, is callous to assault victims. How come? But every time Donald Trump says something asinine, somehow that says something about everyone who voted for him.

"Look at how much hate crimes have been committed by the left and the right and tell me it's the left's fault.
"

Hate crimes committed by Nazis, are condemned by conservatives, almost universally. How many powerful liberals don't say anything about ANTIFA? How come liberals don't speak out against those who riot on college campuses when conservatives dare to speak their mind?

You cannot win this one, I'm holding all the cards.

Paul, you cannot begin to make any kind of credible argument, that the tens of millions of people who voted for Trump, are any more sexist or racist than the people who voted for Hilary.

For your side to claim that there is widespread hatred of people of color or women, among those who voted for Trump...is just as crazy and offensive, as Trump claiming that Obama is a Muslim or wasn't born here.

The first thing I learned from election night 2016, is that middle America has limits for the amount of insults they are willing to endure. Your side hasn't begun to learn that lesson. Which explains what has happened in the special elections this year, every one of which was portrayed by the media, as a referendum on Trump...that is, until the democrat got his hat handed to him.

The GOP has the Oval Office, both houses of Congress, and an insane majority of state governorships and state legislatures. The only excuse Democrats are able to comprehend for that result, is that my side is racist. Because losing is acceptable, even noble, when one loses to evil. Convincing yourself of that, is much easier, than admitting that not many people are buying what your side is selling.