Talk about speaking for someone youve got that down with omar looking for a response that had nothing to do with the question... yet you can see some people did that as proof of her hating America
So with your logic george takei when he writes about his feeling and his family's feeling with being in an internment camp.. he 1st should say how horrible pearl harbor was an the hardships for those lives lost as.. the cause of his situation.? Any thing less in un American?


But Trump saying go back to where you came from.. and it means nothing ???? JIM Do you get your info on her from Trump. Look at this gem

TRUMP
“Well, there is a lot of talk about the fact that she was married to her brother. I know nothing about it.”
— in remarks to reporters on Wednesday

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I am in the camp where I believe you have the right to burn the flag and I have the right to discourage such.
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I believe burning the American flag is anti-American

I believe that you have the right to burn the flag

I believe that I have the right to say that you are anti-American for burning the flag

I believe that you have the right to criticize me for criticizing you for burning the American flag....

see how that works?

I agree 100% not to speak for you. But i am going to guess we are not just taking about flag burning ..
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maybe expand...I'm not clear on what you are saying

I'm going to annihilate you here, so get ready, OK?

"Talk about speaking for someone youve got that down with omar looking "

I am not speaking for her. I am responding to an exact quote of what she said. She said 9/11 was "some people did something". And the only victims she showed any concern for in that speech, were fellow Muslims who surely had it rough in the days after 9/11, but not nearly as rough as thousands of American families who had loved ones get burned to death. If you are OK with her description of 09/11, that's your right, but I'm sure most Americans find it deeply offensive, as you certainly would if any Republican said it.

Because that's the rub. You and Pete and Spence can't say anything critical of a democrat. every post you make here can be boiled down to liberal=good, conservative=bad. No exceptions. You are all exactly as thoughtless as Sean Hannity, you're exactly the same. Liberal=good, conservative=bad.

"proof of her hating America"

My proof that she hates America has been laid out already, based on exact statements that she does not deny making. God knows what she says when she knows there are no cameras on her.

"So with your logic george takei when he writes about his feeling and his family's feeling with being in an internment camp.. he 1st should say how horrible pearl harbor was an the hardships for those lives lost "

If we put Muslims in internment camps after 9/11, you would have a brilliant point. But unless I missed it, we didn't, so you have NO POINT. On the eve of 9/11, on that very day, President Bush said that the religion of Islam was not responsible, and that most Muslims were good people. Is that the same as putting them in internment camp?

How did you come up with internment camps anyway? Did someone tell you that we put Muslims in interment camps after 9/11? Or will you fabricate ANYTHING, in order to avoid having to criticize a liberal?

"But Trump saying go back to where you came from.. and it means nothing ???? "

I really think there's something wrong with you. I said many times in these threads, that "go back where you came from" is over the top, offensive, stupid, and divisive. Is that not clear enough for you? Are you still going to claim that I'm a Trump apologist? Or can you be honest for ONCE?

"Do you get your info on her from Trump. "

You tell me which of these things is a made up Republican lie about her, OK?

She says that people who like Israel have questionable loyalty to the US, that theres challenge to that dual loyalty.

She said that Jews do thing for the benjamins, baby.

She said that 9/11 happened because America meddles in the affairs of other countries. There may be some truth to that as they didn't pick us at random, but it's an offensive thing to say out loud.

She says that US Servicemen in Somalis (who were there to help HER HOME COUNTRY for f*uck's sake), killed thousands of civilians.

She supports the notion that the US is operating concentration camps at the border.

She refused to condemn the Antifa domestic terrorist attack on an ICE detention facility.

These are the reasons I despise her. Now you go ahead and tell us, if any of these are fabricated, if I'm just blindly following Trump.


Go ahead, show us all what a moron I am, tell us which of those things I made up.

Is there anything to the rumors about her brother? I saw on CNN last night that she filed taxes two years jointly with her current husband, while she was still legally married to her former husband. Is CNN Trump-run TV now?

If she married her brother for an immigration scam, I'd like to know. If she didn't, no one should say she did. Fair enough?

Rumors about her brother? I saw that on CNN and they said those rumors had no basis at all and where an ugly slander. Did you turn the channel bf that part of the story?

Spoiler...Paul watches CNN

Shocker...if they said then it certainly must be true.
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Jim Basically you made up all of your own interpretations . presenting them as Truth .. Trump does the same thing

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/18/u...act-check.html

I know its the falling NY times but its interesting

Shocker SD has nothing to add. Did your secret "friend" tell you to post that?

maybe. they didn’t say anything about her brother. they said she filed taxes under status married filing jointly, and that they name she filed with us her current husband, but that at the time she filed as his wife, she was legally married to her former husband. had nothing to do with her brother.
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Paul forget about rumors regarding her brother. are you ok with the things she has said
about jews, about 9/11, about american soldiers, about border patrol running concentration camps? is she all that much better than Trump in terms of how divisive and offensive she is?
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But you brought up those ugly, scummy lies and now your saying that CNN didn't say anything about her brother after you implied they did? Why would you mention her brother and then talk about CNN? Which is it - they did or they didn't?

Read my post. What I said I saw on CNN, was a report that indicates that according to taxes, she was married to one man while still legally married to another. I heard nothing on CNN about her brother, that's a rumor I'm hearing elsewhere. OK? I heard about her brother elsewhere, what I heard on CNN was a suggestion that she was married to two people at the same time.

"But you brought up those ugly, scummy lies"

Yawn. What ugly scummy lies did I bring up, exactly? I never said the rumors about her brother were anything but rumors. Everything else I attributed to her, are things that she said and did. If any are fabricated, please let me know which. If you can't disprove them, can you tell me if you're OK with a sitting congresswoman saying and doing those things?

Seems like you're avoiding answering my question, you're responding like others do, not like you do. In any event, please specify which ugly scummy lies I am starting or perpetrating?

Regarding her brother, WDMSO was the one who brought it up, NOT me. I asked if there was anything to it, and I said if it's not true, no one should be saying it is true. You have an issue with that?

You asked about her brother - bc you know there were scummy right wing lies about her being married to her.

Scummy

You did it now live with it.

The ONLY evidence you have that his comment was racist, is that the people he was criticizing, are not white. A white man saying offensive to a black person, doesn't tell me that there's necessarily racism, especially if that white man has a well documented history of being equally offensive to white people who criticize him. if he's a jerk to everybody, then their skin color played no role, necessarily meaning it's not racism.

Here's what I said...see my post...

"Is there anything to the rumors about her brother? I saw on CNN last night that she filed taxes two years jointly with her current husband, while she was still legally married to her former husband. Is CNN Trump-run TV now?

If she married her brother for an immigration scam, I'd like to know. If she didn't, no one should say she did."

What in there, exactly, is scummy? I thought you were the one liberal here better than that...

Do you need some mustard with that pretzel?

Ilhan Omar and the rest of the "Squad" are Freshman Representatives and as such are each, one of the 435 duly elected people in the House of whom a majority is needed to enact anything and then a majority of 100 Senators need to agree and then The President needs to agree.

The only thing I see is that Trump has gotten all his minions to somehow believe she and the rest of the "Squad" are dangerous and scary, given the vast powers they possess.

He's doing the same lying BS as the birther stuff that propelled him to where he is today.
"Was it a birth certificate? You tell me. Some people say that was not his birth certificate. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I'm saying I don't know. Nobody knows."
“Well, there is a lot of talk about the fact that she was married to her brother. I know nothing about it.”

Why would Trump say it if he or nobody knows?

Yet Trump has yet to tell Bernie, an avowed socialist, to go back to where he came from. What could explain why he says that about Ocasio-Cortez, Pressley, Omar, and Tlaib but not Sanders? I just can’t put my finger on it.

Which is why I brought it up as rumor, because despite what you claimed, I don't believe everything that comes out of his mouth, especially when he's discussing people he doesn't like. He's a compulsive liar, obviously. Maybe remember that I said that, next time you claim that I instantly believe everything he says?

Maybe it's twisted to you. My dog would get it.

When a white person is mean to a black person, it doesn't mean he's racist.

If that's too fast for you, good luck.

Quick to call me scummy, when I ask what I said that was scummy, I hear crickets.

He has said other junk about Bernie. The connection of going back to where he came from may be harder to stick on Bernie. When you hit, aim for the weak spot.

Why do you have to make it more complicated than it is? Oh, that's right, forgot, you have to work hard to label Trump stuff that he isn't.

he likes to call you names and then say he's thankful his parents didn't raise him to be someone who calls people names :rotf3: it's pretty funny

Trump told
the kneeling football players, some of who were white, that if they disliked the country, maybe they’d be happier someplace else. i don’t like that statement, but the point is, he said it in the past when it was directed at white people. This is not in dispute, it happened, and it means he is capable of saying it to people of all races, which necessarily means it’s not racist.
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Jim,

I just got back from the gym so I didn't read this earlier. If I misunderstood your post (and it looks like I did from WDMSO's post) I apologize to you as it looks like you didn't bring the marrying the brother issue up. I'm sorry and should have read the posts.

As a self imposed penalty I will not visit this site until Monday morning and will ride my bike an additional 10 miles further than I was planning Sat. morning in the heat and humidity.

I apologize again.
Paul

Trump said “They never have anything good to say. That’s why I say, ‘Hey if you don’t like it, let ‘em leave, let ‘em leave.’”

Remember this is the man who said these things about America.

"This country is a hellhole, and we're going down fast."

“The American dream, is dead.”

“China, you go there now, roads, bridges, schools, you never saw anything like it,” he marveled. “I love China,” he went on. The U.S.A.? “We’re dying. We’re dying. ... We’ve got nothing.”

His strikingly dark inauguration speech about empty factories “like tombstones across the landscape,” urban decay, crime, gangs drugs, failed education — “this American carnage.”

You can praise dictators, like Trump does, and refuse to criticize Russian President Vladimir Putin for allegedly killing critics because, “Well, I think our country does plenty of killing also.”

Trump is who he's always been. The question is who Americans are.

About 40% of "us" seem to be exactly like him. The question is whether the remaining 60% can be bothered to defeat them at the ballot box.

Context, my boy, context. He has said many marvelously good things
about this country and negative things about China and Russia in different contexts.

Picking and choosing in order to slant, my boy, is a form of lying.

No worries you're never like that. all good.

Perhaps then you should look at what Trump has picked and chosen to say about Ilhan Omar

The framing of his attacks on Omar often targeted her refugee status, religion and ethnicity, and reveal how much the president is willing to bend the truth to make it seem that Omar is an enemy of the United States.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...acks-factcheck

For now, on the right, we have the man with the biggest megaphone in the country leading a mob in chanting for the expulsion of a political opponent — a US citizen! — from the country. I reject most everything that Ilhan Omar stands for, but this is degrading, disgraceful behavior from an American president. This is Two-Minute Hate stuff.

https://www.theamericanconservative....ut-ilhan-omar/

Was it bigoted or racist when democrats in congress tried to have Trump aide Sebastian Gorka deported for political reasons?

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I apologize again.
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you are adorable

Several Congressmen wrote to DOJ and DHS asking that they investigate news reports.

How is asking the appropriate authorities having jurisdiction to investigate comparable to lying about a sitting Congresswoman?

Again, just as you accuse Trump of degrading and disgraceful stuff, you do likewise. From one to several paragraphs of hate against Trump. And that you don't have as powerful a bully pulpit as he does doesn't mean that it's OK to hypocritically do what you criticize him of, constantly, over and over again.

I may be guilty of that. Point it out when I do. I could learn something and correct it.