There is a mental illness problem that has to be dealt with. It's not the gun that pulls the trigger — it's the person holding the
gun," Trump said. Flip flop flip flop
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Hey All Y'all, let's have a discussion on what we can do for gun safety.

How about this and this to address problems with bad guys getting guns?

No, not far enough !! We need to remove the Automatic Climate Busting Weapons of Mass Assault Clips for people that haven't done anything wrong but are probably racists!!

But I am concerned that as a 2A supporter, with my rights being eroded and slowly infringed, because it is just one more step in a slow roll of steps.

Paraphrasing Wayne: "Don't be worried. No one is coming to take our guns that is just NRA Fear Mongering"

Actual Wayne:After the shootings this week in Philly, lawmakers and pundits are saying this is another reason we need common sense gun reform.

Except existing laws did not prevent this guy that shot 6 cops from using firearms, selling narcotics, and doing a host of other things that were against the law.

Anyone want to take a guess if he went through the same background checks I did?

I could not hear you over you were echoing .
please. Echo chamber you need to get expand your information base... this has been the trend for years
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John its call gun regulations not confiscation.. only a true believer would associates my statment as evidence we want to take your guns...keep spreading the lie.. but climate change is a hoax Russia a hoax. But there coming to take our guns many on the right believe that..

The NRA policy of just saying No .. its not flying with a large subsection of Americans.. once the NRA can't keep paying or candidates see there views as counter productive to their elections... you'll look back and wish common sense gun owners had a seat at the table.. but you gambled on No. Carrying the day... so you'll get what you get...
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I guess we should hold our breath.🤡
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I believe in the 1A and the 2A. I believe in good people. I believe we have won the lottery of birth being born in this country (particularly after living overseas for several years). And I believe this country is truly great and that the liberties (supposed) and the freedoms granted are sacrosanct. I believe their are good people and ideas from the left and the right. I believe in the fact that sensible people can hash things out and come to an agreement.

I also believe that the left is more willing to cut those items out to the detriment of our countries benefit. This is why I am no longer a moderate Dem.

Wayne - you really need to step outside your bubble. Many of your statements lean right up against confiscation, or rely on such a fine line it is hard to see daylight between your position and confiscation / eroding of rights. Everything you push WRT Gun Control is the same. You target a large group of law abiding people and further to reduce their right to self defense beyond where already eroded.

30 years in Corrections 24 years in the Military bought and sold guns lived in mutiple states and a very diverse group of friends and acquaintance's. Thats a big bubble

Maybe you need to look beyound your bubble how any regulation always leads to confiscation as a argument against it 100% of the time

Not beliving people should not own Ak 47s and M-4 or an AR-15 or other assault rifles dosnt equal i support confiscation.. but with most conservatives it all or nothing ,

And the only party i have seen reducing the freedoms and choices of ordinary americans with vigor..are Republicans state and federal.. across America
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You are arguing for confiscation of certain types of guns, I suppose, because they are used to kill a lot of people. In actuality, the types of guns you say you are not interested in confiscating, on a daily basis, are used to kill lots more people than the guns you say should be confiscated.

One precedent leads to another. If the object is to save lives, than all guns should be banned from ownership. Before the mass shooting using high capacity guns started to happen, there were calls for the elimination of the right to own hand guns. I recall being able to search the net for articles, such as by the NYT that openly called for the elimination of the right to own guns. It's suspicious that I can't find those articles now on a web search.

Here's a NO GUN argument from an established and respected left wing publication, The New Republic.

https://newrepublic.com/article/1254...-guns-yes-them

Here is a call by the NYT to repeal the 2A:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/o...dment-nra.html

Here's a video by some would demonize as kooky but who actually presents a whole host of statistics re the various gun control arguments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWYd3S_iR1M

More ban all guns from the left including the WAPO:

https://newrepublic.com/article/1053...y-ban-all-guns

More ban all guns from the Tallahassee Democrat newspaper:

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/op...guns/19426029/

There are a lot more calls from the left to ban all guns. I'm not going to link them, but you get the picture

This is a very rational piece.

Typical pink panty wearing, pot smoking, FM radio freakshow of a snowflake.

That raises a good question as to how we got here in the first place.

Apologies - your thought bubble. Your thought bubble is always pretty hard left. I know you have time in the Mil and I did not know you are in corrections (not surprised and I am not saying that in a malicious demeanor).

I can't get a M4. The worst I have is the scary looking version of a Ruger Mini-14. And you understand the background checks I have to go through to get one. When you were in the service you saw kids that probably should not have had access to one and did anyway, (some learned, some were moved elsewhere). Other than a rare accident, nothing went wrong with them. My hope is we find a way to weed out the people that should not have access to them so they cannot have them.

Courts have ruled that our rights as an American to defend ourselves grant us the right to access appropriate tools to do that. You are proposing to remove a/k/a infringe on that.

How do you make your belief "they should not own them" a reality?

For non-military purposes though they're pretty close to being the same weapon. I'll put you on the list.

I always wanted the mini-30 for deer hunting. Funny isn't it? You order the wood stock version and it's a great little hunting rifle, you order the black "tactical" stock option and it's suddenly a scary military assault weapon.

Stop selling them.. once that happens whats in the system already stays .. the prices will increase expediently. Weeding out the want a be's .(thats the face of a 2A supporter that most Americans see they have hijacked the narrtive to the point a regular gun owner has no voice...change open carry laws ( not sure how carrying an ak or a mini 14 fullbody armor and 6 full mags in the mall or burger king .was the laws intent.. those guns now are like gold not everyone has it but if you do it can be a good investment
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It wasn't the intent. Burger King was intended to have the right to ban carrying them onto its property. The intent was to secure the right to own them.

your correct it wasn't the laws intent ... but it wasn't (The intent was to secure the right to own them) they all ready had that right .. please


the yahoos hijacked open carry Laws ... and regular gun owners get push out of view ...that's my point

What do you mean?

They offer Wood Furniture for your Modern Sporting Rifle.

What are you talking about?


Open Carry into Burger King? Are you OK with Concealed Carry?

you have your stance and I have mine
I'm done repeating myself
I understand you have an opinion no matter how wrong it is.

I suggest you listen to this whole video and open your mind because you sound like you are not very observant judging by your comments on here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ucCU_NnJ-0

It wasn't clear to me what you where referring to. I thought you were referring to the 2A. As for the rest of your sentence, it is also not clear to me what you mean. Probably my lack of reading comprehension.

this is what it's like reading some of the posts here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Uzoz6Eh_2c

I'm done repeating myself
I understand you have an opinion no matter how wrong it is.

AND everyone one else is the issue.. classic
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Clearly you don't see a difference

How do you tell a 10-year-old little girl who got a Ruger 10/22 with a pink stock for her birthday that her rifle is an assault weapon and she has to turn it over to government or be arrested for felony possession?" Hammer asked at the meeting.
Florida National Rifle Association lobbyist Marion Hammer warned state economists Friday that a proposed assault rifle ban would be devastating to gun manufacturers lured to the state over the last eight years.

NRA mixing confiscation with concern about gun sales
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Looks like a safe place, pretty mass shooter proof. CC is a good thing.

Same calibre, can generally fire the same round, similar muzzle velocity, compact barrel, semi-auto operation and the mini can be decked out with all the necessities for home defense like an extended round magazine, pistol grip, collapsible stock etc... :doh:

I think we've seen time and time again when you put what's really a military weapon in the hands of a killer even with little experience they can be quite effective.

If that guy had dark skin someone would have already taken him out.

Really Jeff, it's not about race in MOST instances. Seems the leftist thing to do - tie racism into everything. Again, really?

is there a point here?

it's a nervous tic

He's a good little soldier
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Thats not a picture of Cc thats open carry.. if you want to play soldier join the service ..
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[QUOTE=afterhours;1172514]Really Jeff, it's not about race in MOST instances. Seems the leftist thing to do - tie racism into everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6jzzh-FZgs