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Jim in CT 11-04-2021 11:48 AM

Pete, do you know who said on TV, that the nazi salute was protected free speech? Merrick Garland said that. He said that, when asked by Senator Ted Cruz.

Remind me, which party does he belong to?

Pete F. 11-04-2021 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1217123)
Pete, do you know who said on TV, that the nazi salute was protected free speech? Merrick Garland said that. He said that, when asked by Senator Ted Cruz.

Remind me, which party does he belong to?

Apparently he looks like a political operative to you

Perhaps you can explain just what makes Liz Cheney a RINO?

2021-Present: U.S. attorney general
1997-2021: Judge, United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit
2013-2020: Chief judge
1994-1997: Principal Associate Deputy U.S. Attorney General
1993-1994: Deputy Assistant U.S. Attorney, Criminal Prosecutions Division of the United States Department of Justice
1992-1993: Attorney, private practice
1989-1992: Assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia
1981-1989: Attorney, private practice
1979-1981: Special Assistant United States Attorney General, United States Department of Justice
1978-1979: Law clerk for Associate Justice of the United States William J. Brennan, Jr.
1977-1978: Law clerk for Judge Henry Friendly in the United States Second Circuit Court of Appeals

Jim in CT 11-04-2021 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1217124)
Apparently he looks like a political operative to you

Perhaps you can explain just what makes Liz Cheney a RINO?

2021-Present: U.S. attorney general
1997-2021: Judge, United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit
2013-2020: Chief judge
1994-1997: Principal Associate Deputy U.S. Attorney General
1993-1994: Deputy Assistant U.S. Attorney, Criminal Prosecutions Division of the United States Department of Justice
1992-1993: Attorney, private practice
1989-1992: Assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia
1981-1989: Attorney, private practice
1979-1981: Special Assistant United States Attorney General, United States Department of Justice
1978-1979: Law clerk for Associate Justice of the United States William J. Brennan, Jr.
1977-1978: Law clerk for Judge Henry Friendly in the United States Second Circuit Court of Appeals

"Apparently he looks like a political operative to you"

Where did you say political operatives? You criticized republicans for saying the nazi salute is free speech. Garland agrees. And you STILL can't admit I made a point.

Why on earth, would you point out that Liz Cheney was in private practice from 1981-1989, as evidence she's not a RINO? How could that POSSIBLY mean she's not a RINO?

There was a civil war within the GOP. It's over. Liz Cheney's side lost. And I don't intensely dislike Liz Cheney or anything, but she's no longer the preferred brand of Republican.

The civil war among democrats is just beginning, and lord almighty is it entertaining.

Pete F. 11-04-2021 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1217125)
"Apparently he looks like a political operative to you"

Where did you say political operatives? You criticized republicans for saying the nazi salute is free speech. Garland agrees. And you STILL can't admit I made a point.

Why on earth, would you point out that Liz Cheney was in private practice from 1981-1989, as evidence she's not a RINO? How could that POSSIBLY mean she's not a RINO?

There was a civil war within the GOP. It's over. Liz Cheney's side lost. And I don't intensely dislike Liz Cheney or anything, but she's no longer the preferred brand of Republican.

The civil war among democrats is just beginning, and lord almighty is it entertaining.

That's Merrick Garland's CV

The preferred brand are all Trumplicans, he is the leader of the Republican party

detbuch 11-04-2021 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1217110)
Once again you pick a couple of items out of a list

You've don that a lot.

Would you be upset if a teacher said this?

“Think about this. For 246 years, slavery was legal in America. It wasn’t made illegal until 154 years ago,” the 26-year-old teacher told the 23 students sitting before him at Fort Dodge Middle School. “So, what does that mean? It means slavery has been a part of America much longer than it hasn’t been a part of America.”

It is a simple observation, but it is also a revelatory way to think about slavery in America and its inextricable role in the country’s founding, evolution and present. Ours is a nation born as much in chains as in freedom. A century and a half after slavery was made illegal — and 400 years after the first documented arrival of enslaved people from Africa in Virginia — the trauma of this inherited disease lingers.

I would be upset if someone as myopic as the teacher you refer to was actually allowed to teach history.

Slavery has been a part of the recorded world longer than it not being part of it. It's even still part of the world that is older than "America."

So, by this teacher's reasoning, the whole world of human nations must have been "born" as much in chains as in freedom. The whole world must need CRT.

The amalgamation of what was referred to as America was not a separate sovereign nation during most of the 400 years. And since it became a sovereign republic, slavery was only part of the republic for 89 of it's 245 years, so it has been a part of the U.S. far less than when it wasn't a part of the U.S..

So, if this more than less formula is a model for needing CRT, maybe we are less in need of CRT than most. If in need at all. If CRT can actually and satisfactorily solve racial inequity without creating a worse systemic monster. In my opinion, it is the old authoritarian, actually dictatorial, way of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Pete F. 11-04-2021 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1217128)
I would be upset if someone as myopic as the teacher you refer to was actually allowed to teach history.

Slavery has been a part of the recorded world longer than it not being part of it. It's even still part of the world that is older than "America."

So, by this teacher's reasoning, the whole world of human nations must have been "born" as much in chains as in freedom. The whole world must need CRT.

The amalgamation of what was referred to as America was not a separate sovereign nation during most of the 400 years. And since it became a sovereign republic, slavery was only part of the republic for 89 of it's 245 years, so it has been a part of the U.S. far less than when it wasn't a part of the U.S..

So, if this more than less formula is a model for needing CRT, maybe we are less in need of CRT than most. If in need at all. If CRT can actually and satisfactorily solve racial inequity without creating a worse systemic monster. In my opinion, it is the old authoritarian, actually dictatorial, way of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Easy enough to change that to “on this continent.” Unless you claim that with the Declaration of Independence we were miraculously reborn with blank minds.
We are not dealing with the rest of the world. Aren’t you the guy who says we should let the rest of the world take care of itself, that we shouldn’t be the world’s policeman.
Slavery was so much a part of this country that 750,000 Americans died in a fight over it 150 years ago, then we had the 14th, 15th and 24th amendments reconstruction, Jim Crow which lasted thru WW2
Then the civil rights act of 1957, 64, 68, 91
But pay no attention to any of that, everything in America is and has always been perfect.
Because the conservative position is that all criticism or change is bad. Except climate change, which doesn't exist.
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spence 11-04-2021 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1217122)
Are you saying that when the school board wrote the letter, and listed examples of things that might be domestic terrorism, that the nazi salute wasn't on the list? Is that what you're saying?

I'm saying the school board letter didn't attach any specific law to any specific threat, nor did it say any of these threats should be prosecuted. It simply was asking for help to determine what protections may be available.

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To the question on CRT not being in schools...Spence, can I teach Marxism, without ever mentioning Karl Marx? If I advocate for his ideals, isn't that advocating for Marxism?

CRT isn't a copyrighted name brand.
There is a concentrated effort on the Right to bring anything that will activate some people under a master umbrella of CRT, then use anecdotes as evidence they are right. It seems to be working, yours are all twisted up in a bunch.

Jim in CT 11-04-2021 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1217139)
I'm saying the school board letter didn't attach any specific law to any specific threat, nor did it say any of these threats should be prosecuted. It simply was asking for help to determine what protections may be available.


There is a concentrated effort on the Right to bring anything that will activate some people under a master umbrella of CRT, then use anecdotes as evidence they are right. It seems to be working, yours are all twisted up in a bunch.

according to many senators, the school board letter listed examples of behavior that had them concerned enough to ask the feds for terrorism help. one of the examples, was making the nazi salute.

i never said a specific law was quoted, what are you talking about?
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Jim in CT 11-04-2021 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1217139)
I'm saying the school board letter didn't attach any specific law to any specific threat, nor did it say any of these threats should be prosecuted. It simply was asking for help to determine what protections may be available.


There is a concentrated effort on the Right to bring anything that will activate some people under a master umbrella of CRT, then use anecdotes as evidence they are right. It seems to be working, yours are all twisted up in a bunch.

my kids are in catholic school
and thus aren’t vulnerable to your side’s attempted indoctrination. mine aren’t in any bunch, i have no dog in this hunt.
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detbuch 11-04-2021 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1217132)
Easy enough to change that to “on this continent.”

Slavery existed on this continent before Columbus.
And, on this continent, several Blacks owned slaves.


Unless you claim that with the Declaration of Independence we were miraculously reborn with blank minds.

It wasn't miraculous, nor was it rebirth. It was a birth delivered in blood and conceived not by blank minds, but by brave men with minds formed through the rare experience of actual freedom from the grips of tyrannical government. They did not believe that what they created was perfect. But more perfect than before and a blueprint for becoming more so.

We are not dealing with the rest of the world. Aren’t you the guy who says we should let the rest of the world take care of itself, that we shouldn’t be the world’s policeman.

Analysis and policing are not the same. Comparative analysis is highly instructive. The the larger and more universal the scope, the greater the reliability of the results. Unless you prefer little minds trapped in provincial tunnel vision.

Slavery was so much a part of this country that 750,000 Americans died in a fight over it 150 years ago, then we had the 14th, 15th and 24th amendments reconstruction, Jim Crow which lasted thru WW2
Then the civil rights act of 1957, 64, 68, 91

I don't know why you think that I, nor anyone I know, doesn't know all that.

But pay no attention to any of that, everything in America is and has always been perfect.

Nor do I know why you think I or anyone I know believes that. The Founders certainly didn't. They instituted a government that would give us a chance to evolve toward that elusive but impossible perfection. But, if we are to believe what CRT tells us, because they were all "white" their Constitution is riddled with "whiteness" and therefor systemically racist.

Because the conservative position is that all criticism or change is bad. Except climate change, which doesn't exist.
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Since you ask me to pay no attention because of what you claim is the conservative position (I assume you think I am a "conservative"), I am flummoxed at how you arrive at such proclamations about me. I don't think all criticism is bad. I do a lot of criticism. As I'm sure those who you point to as "conservative" do as well. And it certainly is no position that I nor any Republicans I know hold that all change is bad. I'm sure that most of us, including you, believe that some changes can be bad.

spence 11-04-2021 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1217140)
according to many senators, the school board letter listed examples of behavior that had them concerned enough to ask the feds for terrorism help. one of the examples, was making the nazi salute.

i never said a specific law was quoted, what are you talking about?
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You said he was being described as a domestic terrorist, it's part of your bad habit of conflating statements, taking them out of context and then dipping the mess in hyperbole.

Jim in CT 11-04-2021 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1217143)
You said he was being described as a domestic terrorist, it's part of your bad habit of conflating statements, taking them out of context and then dipping the mess in hyperbole.

i said the act of giving a nazi salute, was listed as a possible act of domestic terrorism by the school board.

why is that worth mentioning to the justice department? someone calls you a nazi, and you call the feds?

you guys went too far spence. that’s how i read this. the dnc moves a bit to the center, or they get absolutely creamed in 2022. unless things ( inflation, gas prices, covid) improve drastically, they have to move to the center, because that’s where america is. you guys can’t limit your focus on trump anymore.

AOC, one of the dumbest and unaccomplished people
on the planet, somehow has the power to lurch the whole party way to the left of where america is. what works i. san francisco and the upper wear side of manhattan,,doesn’t olay well in NC and FL. i don’t say that because i like it ( though i do like it). I say it because it’s true.

all they need to do to get back on track, is pass the infastructure bill, which everyone wants. The squad won’t let them, unless they pass a zillion dollar liberal utopia bill. why are those things necessarily connected?
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Pete F. 11-04-2021 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1217141)
my kids are in catholic school
and thus aren’t vulnerable to your side’s attempted indoctrination. mine aren’t in any bunch, i have no dog in this hunt.
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So just what did the catholic school have your child work on that triggered you?
Or?
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Pete F. 11-04-2021 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1217142)
Since you ask me to pay no attention because of what you claim is the conservative position (I assume you think I am a "conservative"), I am flummoxed at how you arrive at such proclamations about me. I don't think all criticism is bad. I do a lot of criticism. As I'm sure those who you point to as "conservative" do as well. And it certainly is no position that I nor any Republicans I know hold that all change is bad. I'm sure that most of us, including you, believe that some changes can be bad.

So?
Lots of verbal diarrhea, claiming that anyone looking at our history thru a unfiltered lense will do just what?
Or is it that because some people hold the cards they should continue to decide what filters are acceptable?
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detbuch 11-04-2021 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1217158)
So?

??

Lots of verbal diarrhea, claiming that anyone looking at our history thru a unfiltered lense will do just what?

???

Or is it that because some people hold the cards they should continue to decide what filters are acceptable?
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???? Needs some filters. Makes no sense. Maybe you should decide to change your filters.

Jim in CT 11-05-2021 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1217157)
So just what did the catholic school have your child work on that triggered you?
Or?
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just because i’m bitch-slapping you all over the place here, doesn’t mean i’m triggered. You are confusing “triggered” with “winning”.

look them up in the dictionary, you’ll see what i mean. As you like to say, a simple google search will do.
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scottw 11-05-2021 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1217167)

just because i’m bitch-slapping you all over the place here, doesn’t mean i’m triggered.

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:rotf2: ALMOST LOST MY COFFEE

Pete F. 11-05-2021 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1217167)
just because i’m bitch-slapping you all over the place here, doesn’t mean i’m triggered. You are confusing “triggered” with “winning”.

look them up in the dictionary, you’ll see what i mean. As you like to say, a simple google search will do.
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Poor girl
You still can’t produce what your child was required to do
Were you lying?
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Jim in CT 11-05-2021 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1217179)
Poor girl
You still can’t produce what your child was required to do
Were you lying?
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do you think that every single person showing examples of kids work related to CRT theory, is lying?

Pete, it was a report he had to write a year ago when he was in public school. i’m sure we don’t still have it, i’m sorry. Something about listing the ways he benefits from his white privilege and listing ways he can level the playing field. something like that. he also had to watch a cartoon showing two boys making out, and the message was that he should be an engaged activist for their rights. not merely accepting them, but spending his weekends fighting for their rights.

he’s not in that school anymore.
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Pete F. 11-05-2021 11:01 AM

Do conservatives not spend quality time with their kids? Does the party of family values not have values to impart to their kids?
I never worried my kid was going to turn out to be a bigot after they see a bigot on TV or read about one in a book. Nor did I think they would catch gay from someone.
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scottw 11-05-2021 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1217198)

I never worried my kid was going to turn out to be a bigot after they see a bigot on TV or read about one in a book. Nor did I think they would catch gay from someone.

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me neither X 3....

detbuch 11-05-2021 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1217198)
Do conservatives not spend quality time with their kids? Does the party of family values not have values to impart to their kids?
I never worried my kid was going to turn out to be a bigot after they see a bigot on TV or read about one in a book. Nor did I think they would catch gay from someone.
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So parents with strong family values who spend quality time with their kids should not concern themselves with what schools teach their children? Nor should they be concerned about what is taught to the children of parents who don't spend quality time with them? Should they not be concerned and active in the politics of their community and of their country? Should they feel satisfied that their home life is sufficient to assure that their children will not be corrupted and damaged by what happens outside of their home?

Perhaps you shouldn't be so vociferously concerned with what goes on outside of your perfect home. Or be so insistent that things like the messaging of CRT should be introduced in our educational institutions. It's all good. Don't be afraid. Teaching children good traditional American "conservative" values (maybe even some intelligent design) won't hurt them. After all, you've inoculated yours against such trash with quality time in your perfect home.

Pete F. 11-05-2021 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1217208)
So parents with strong family values who spend quality time with their kids should not concern themselves with what schools teach their children? Nor should they be concerned about what is taught to the children of parents who don't spend quality time with them? Should they not be concerned and active in the politics of their community and of their country? Should they feel satisfied that their home life is sufficient to assure that their children will not be corrupted and damaged by what happens outside of their home?

Perhaps you shouldn't be so vociferously concerned with what goes on outside of your perfect home. Or be so insistent that things like the messaging of CRT should be introduced in our educational institutions. It's all good. Don't be afraid. Teaching children good traditional American "conservative" values (maybe even some intelligent design) won't hurt them. After all, you've inoculated yours against such trash with quality time in your perfect home.

Proposed list of books to be banned, children will be safe then
The Base should be happy

https://static.texastribune.org/medi...625.1635513476
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detbuch 11-05-2021 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1217217)
Proposed list of books to be banned, children will be safe then
The Base should be happy

https://static.texastribune.org/medi...625.1635513476
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But you should be happy too. Your children are immune to such stuff. You spend quality time with them.

detbuch 12-17-2021 05:45 PM

The great gaslighting is that Critical Race Theory is not being "taught" in the schools. The truth is that it is not being taught as a subject, rather it is being practiced in the schools. It is being done, brought to fruition, in the schools--critical race "praxis" is in our schools. This is part two, the final part, of the video in post 13:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9R4YQ6_Mv8

Jim in CT 12-17-2021 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1219378)
The great gaslighting is that Critical Race Theory is not being "taught" in the schools. The truth is that it is not being taught as a subject, rather it is being practiced in the schools. It is being done, brought to fruition, in the schools--critical race "praxis" is in our schools. This is part two, the final part, of the video in post 13:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9R4YQ6_Mv8

liberals say “it’s not taught” because there’s no class called CRT. but i can teach marxism without there being a class explicitly called marxism. it’s nonsense.
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Pete F. 12-18-2021 09:10 AM

You can also teach white supremacy without calling it that.

Overt, ugly acts of bigotry attract the most attention, the most potent component of racism is "positioning the bigot as the actual victim."

"So the gay do not simply want to marry, they want to convert our children into sin," he wrote. "The Jews do not merely want to be left in peace, they actually are plotting world take-over. And the blacks are not actually victims of American power, but beneficiaries of the war against hard-working whites. This is a respectable, more sensible, bigotry, one that does not seek to name-call, preferring instead 'to' change the subject and strawman."

The recent debate over CRT is the latest variation of frame-flipping. But conservatives have used similar tactics to thwart the feminist movement and to notch victories in the culture wars on American campuses.
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detbuch 12-18-2021 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1219384)
You can also teach white supremacy without calling it that.

Tell us specifically how white supremacy is being taught in our public schools.

Overt, ugly acts of bigotry attract the most attention, the most potent component of racism is "positioning the bigot as the actual victim."

A most potent component of gaslighting, mischaracterizing, and outright lying is to call things what they are not. "Racist" and "racism" are powerful examples of words that are misused in order to cow the accused into silence or acquiescence.

"So the gay do not simply want to marry, they want to convert our children into sin," he wrote. "The Jews do not merely want to be left in peace, they actually are plotting world take-over. And the blacks are not actually victims of American power, but beneficiaries of the war against hard-working whites. This is a respectable, more sensible, bigotry, one that does not seek to name-call, preferring instead 'to' change the subject and strawman."

Imputing such notions to masses of people that don't have them is a most potent component of gaslighting those masses into compliance.

The recent debate over CRT is the latest variation of frame-flipping. But conservatives have used similar tactics to thwart the feminist movement and to notch victories in the culture wars on American campuses.
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CRT is a variation of frame-flipping.

And feminists do not all agree with each other, and some of the older advocates disagree with the rhetoric of new ones. Nor are most women feminists. Which is probably the most potent reason why feminists are thwarted.

Group think, in general, is a potent way to influence, and is more potent when various groups coalesce to create dominant cultures that clash with the prevailing one. The various anti "white supremacy" (especially white male supremacy) groups that have joined together have predominantly changed the culture in American education, especially university and college education, in order to support and teach their political and philosophical views. They have to a great degree flipped the American academic culture.

That cultural flip is all about power, not a debate or means to arrive at a universal truth. Power is the most potent component of the Post-Modern philosophy that fundamentally drives the Neo-Marxist component of most current leftist groups that are attempting to impose their will on the foundational components of what we refer to as Western Civilization--the foundation that spurred the American Revolution.

Western Civilization promotes universal truths that apply to every individual. Unfortunately, "white" people supposedly were who nurtured and crafted this civilization. So, therefore, it is a creation in the interests of white people. Ergo, it oppresses the wills and desires of non-"whites."

Specifically, the American foundation, is accused of being a house of white cards. Non-whites are not allowed to join the game. Unless, of course, they show abaisance, bow and scrape, and do the white man's will, act white, do what is required by whites to succeed in a white world.

So, therefore within the "white" created structure which assures supreme "white" racial power, all whites are inherently "racist." And, of course, such a thing is fundamentally wrong and contemptible. Not sure why if there are no universal truths and the end game is power.

Pete F. 12-18-2021 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1219385)
CRT is a variation of frame-flipping.

And feminists do not all agree with each other, and some of the older advocates disagree with the rhetoric of new ones. Nor are most women feminists. Which is probably the most potent reason why feminists are thwarted.

Group think, in general, is a potent way to influence, and is more potent when various groups coalesce to create dominant cultures that clash with the prevailing one. The various anti "white supremacy" (especially white male supremacy) groups that have joined together have predominantly changed the culture in American education, especially university and college education, in order to support and teach their political and philosophical views. They have to a great degree flipped the American academic culture.

That cultural flip is all about power, not a debate or means to arrive at a universal truth. Power is the most potent component of the Post-Modern philosophy that fundamentally drives the Neo-Marxist component of most current leftist groups that are attempting to impose their will on the foundational components of what we refer to as Western Civilization--the foundation that spurred the American Revolution.

Western Civilization promotes universal truths that apply to every individual. Unfortunately, "white" people supposedly were who nurtured and crafted this civilization. So, therefore, it is a creation in the interests of white people. Ergo, it oppresses the wills and desires of non-"whites."

Specifically, the American foundation, is accused of being a house of white cards. Non-whites are not allowed to join the game. Unless, of course, they show abaisance, bow and scrape, and do the white man's will, act white, do what is required by whites to succeed in a white world.

So, therefore within the "white" created structure which assures supreme "white" racial power, all whites are inherently "racist." And, of course, such a thing is fundamentally wrong and contemptible. Not sure why if there are no universal truths and the end game is power.

As I’ve said many times

Poor victim
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Jim in CT 12-18-2021 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1219384)
You can also teach white supremacy without calling it that.

Overt, ugly acts of bigotry attract the most attention, the most potent component of racism is "positioning the bigot as the actual victim."

"So the gay do not simply want to marry, they want to convert our children into sin," he wrote. "The Jews do not merely want to be left in peace, they actually are plotting world take-over. And the blacks are not actually victims of American power, but beneficiaries of the war against hard-working whites. This is a respectable, more sensible, bigotry, one that does not seek to name-call, preferring instead 'to' change the subject and strawman."

The recent debate over CRT is the latest variation of frame-flipping. But conservatives have used similar tactics to thwart the feminist movement and to notch victories in the culture wars on American campuses.
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yes pete, the public schools are really infested with maga right wingers.
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detbuch 12-18-2021 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1219389)
As I’ve said many times

Poor victim
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Yes, you've said or repeated many ambiguous, misleading, inconsistent, contradictory, unclear, and incoherent or even lying things many times. It may be that you lack a consistent core belief or vision. Perhaps you have fallen victim to the Post-Modern abyss void of any consistent, foundational meaning other than gaining and holding power. Which may lead you into seeing human society as a conflict between oppressors and oppressed--the rich fat cats and the poor victims. The current iteration being between the notion of a predatory "white supremacist" against everyone else.

wdmso 12-19-2021 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1219390)
yes pete, the public schools are really infested with maga right wingers.
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Not right now they aren’t that’s the plan just ask the Moms of Liberty

The right has been waging war against intellectuals or in the MAGA world that’s anyone with a Brain .

Even in the red of red states they think their own teachers and school boards .. who were born and raised in their communities are the enemy .. that’s some serious brainwashing but then again these same people think Trump won the deep state is real .
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Pete F. 12-19-2021 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1219392)
Yes, you've said or repeated many ambiguous, misleading, inconsistent, contradictory, unclear, and incoherent or even lying things many times. It may be that you lack a consistent core belief or vision. Perhaps you have fallen victim to the Post-Modern abyss void of any consistent, foundational meaning other than gaining and holding power. Which may lead you into seeing human society as a conflict between oppressors and oppressed--the rich fat cats and the poor victims. The current iteration being between the notion of a predatory "white supremacist" against everyone else.

Perhaps you should consider that “maybe” you are wrong.

That may be why your views are held by a small minority of Americans.

Just remember which side thinks the other has the Jewish Space Laser, that Trump won and if it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
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The Dad Fisherman 12-19-2021 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1219396)
Not right now they aren’t that’s the plan just ask the Moms of Liberty

The right has been waging war against intellectuals or in the MAGA world that’s anyone with a Brain .

Even in the red of red states they think their own teachers and school boards .. who were born and raised in their communities are the enemy .. that’s some serious brainwashing but then again these same people think Trump won the deep state is real .
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Pete F. 12-19-2021 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1219398)
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I’ve been wondering about this Tin Hat fascination among some posters, has it actually kept you out of the rubber room?
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Raider Ronnie 12-19-2021 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1219399)
I’ve been wondering about this Tin Hat fascination among some posters, has it actually kept you out of the rubber room?
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Do you wonder about the Tim Foil fascination when you use the phrase yourself, as you have 🤔

Pete F. 12-19-2021 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie (Post 1219400)
Do you wonder about the Tim Foil fascination when you use the phrase yourself, as you have 🤔

Who is Tim Foil?
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wdmso 12-19-2021 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1219398)
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Let me guess You have never heard of mom’s of liberty.or their mission

Informed as ever Lol
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Raider Ronnie 12-19-2021 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1219401)
Who is Tim Foil?
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Tin Foil
You want me to pull up quotes from your past post ???
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scottw 12-19-2021 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1219402)

Let me guess You have never heard of mom’s of liberty


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they sound terrifying.....


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