So Trump gets a boat no holes or dents it starts leaking worse during his ownership and he does nothing to slow the flow ...then he loses the election and gives biden a boat sinking full of water and full of holes due to the previous owners neglect (covid) and on his way out Door presents Biden with a half gallon milk jug (vaccine) and says start bailing .. this should fix it.... so Biden Starts with a boat full of holes and filled with water one bailer nothing to plug the holes and Jim thinks as usual the Both have started from the same spot :kewl:

still waiting on your reasons he's a lousy POTUS compared to Trump you suggested they were the same

so your example is the stay in mexico 1 issues aka court ordered issue

covid came out of nowhere on trump’s watch, there was no way to see it coming.

with biden, i don’t know how he could have expected or prepared for variants.

i’m not overly impressed by how either one led this.

you’re the one who says trump failed but biden didn’t. We notice you’ve yet to provide a meaningful statistic that would allow any rational
person to conclude that biden is doing better.

then there’s burdens vaccine mandates that courts are striking down all over. if that were trump guys all be complaining that he was violating the constitution like the authoritarian you say he was.


“gives biden a boat sinking full of water.”

he gave biden a system with widespread rapid testing and a million people a day getting vaccinated.

you cannot be rational.
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Yes Jim lets use deaths and not surprising From Jan. 15, 2021 to Oct. 1, 2021, unvaccinated people were 40 times more likely to experience COVID-19-associated death than fully vaccinated people.

DEATH RATE FROM TEXAS

Rate per 100,000 in
Unvaccinated People was 463.7

Rate per 100,000 in Fully
Vaccinated 11.6

https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/...s-11082021.pdf

Wtf are you taking about?
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I didn’t say trump wasn’t just pointed out that someone on CNN said Biden basically sucks too despite promises and claims to be the anti-trump….if Biden loses CNN that would be pretty bad for the regime. He’s already lost Kamala
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OK Mr Rational and this only deals with the first of the baloney you posted. As far as testing goes the Trump administration botched the development and implementation of Covid testing, the Biden administration has done better but not much

“CAME OUT of nowhere,” President Trump said March 6 of the coronavirus pandemic. “I just think this is something . . . that you can never really think is going to happen.” A few weeks later, he added, “I would view it as something that just surprised the whole world.” Mr. Trump also said, “Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion.”
Of course, no one can pinpoint the exact moment that lightning will strike. But a global pandemic? Experts have predicted it, warned about the preparedness gaps and urged action. Again and again and again.


Just look at 2019.
In January, the U.S. intelligence community issued its annual global threat assessment. It declared, “We assess that the United States and the world will remain vulnerable to the next flu pandemic or large-scale outbreak of a contagious disease that could lead to massive rates of death and disability, severely affect the world economy, strain international resources, and increase calls on the United States for support. . . . The growing proximity of humans and animals has increased the risk of disease transmission. The number of outbreaks has increased in part because pathogens originally found in animals have spread to human populations.”


In September, the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security issued a report titled “Preparedness for a High-Impact Respiratory Pathogen Pandemic.” The report found that if such a pathogen emerged, “it would likely have significant public health, economic, social, and political consequences. . . . The combined possibilities of short incubation periods and asymptomatic spread can result in very small windows for interrupting transmission, making such an outbreak difficult to contain.” The report pointed to “large national and international readiness gaps.”




In October, the Nuclear Threat Initiative, working with the Johns Hopkins center and the Economist Intelligence Unit, published its latest Global Health Security Index, examining open-source information about the state of health security across 195 nations, and scoring them. The report warned, “No country is fully prepared for epidemics or pandemics, and every country has important gaps to address.” The report found that “Fewer than 5 percent of countries scored in the highest tier for their ability to rapidly respond to and mitigate the spread of an epidemic.

In November, the Center for Strategic and International Studies published a study by its Commission on Strengthening America’s Health Security. It warned, “The American people are far from safe. To the contrary, the United States remains woefully ill-prepared to respond to global health security threats. This kind of vulnerability should not be acceptable to anyone. At the extreme, it is a matter of life and death. . . . Outbreaks proliferate that can spread swiftly across the globe and become pandemics, disrupting supply chains, trade, transport, and ultimately entire societies and economies.” The report recommended: “Restore health security leadership at the White House National Security Council.”
Came out of nowhere? Not even close. The question that must be addressed in future postmortems is why all this expertise and warning was ignored.
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"not you that's for sure"

I've said to you ten times in the last week, ten times, that I think it's stupid to not be vaccinated.

When you know you can't respond to what I say, you just make stuff up.

I think everyone should get vaccinated.

What I was questioning, is whether or not people were expecting vaccination rates to be a lot higher than they are now.

Biden has the benefit of many more Americans being vaccinated, than Trump had. Despite this, Biden is overseeing more deaths. That makes the higher death count, more remarkable, not less so.

"DEATH RATE FROM TEXAS "

You are hysterical, and a loyal liberal lemming.

When the national numbers are bad under Trump, you say it's his fault (Gov Cuomo is totally blameless).

When national numbers are worse under Biden, you blame republican governors.

According to you, bad results are a federal issue when Trump is president, bad results are a state's fault when Biden is president.

Do you listen to yourself?

liberal=good, conservative=bad, every time, zero exceptions.

Even the jerks on The View are bashing Biden for breaking promises.

So Trump is guilty of failing to see covid coming. But let me guess, the democrats who controlled congress at that time, are blameless. Right? The potus is omniscient. Biden sees everything coming a mile away, he saw early indications of inflation and high gas prices and responded flawlessly, which is why inflation is back to 0 and oil back to $35 a barrel.

Everyone was warning that covid was coming, and only Trump missed it, which is why covid isn't an issue anywhere but America. Let's go further, even in America, covid is only an issue in red states, the blue states were perfect in handling it.

We can do states if you would like, but as was apparent early in the pandemic, Trumps downplaying, political manipulation of the Covid response and total ignorance of the pandemic after the November election had a disastrous effect for Americans

South Korea
Deaths per 100k is 8
Vaccination 80%
USA
Deaths per 100K is 239
Vaccination 60%
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our results are worse than south koreas. when does biden have responsibility for that? ever? does he even own the results for his time as potus? or does biden get a complete free pass. no matter what?

south korea doesn’t have our constitution. apples and oranges.
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yeah but Iceland......

on the day covid is eradicated, that will coincidentally be the day that biden starts owning the results.

like talking to a poster of Obama.
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Vermont keeps setting new records...i hope Pete is double boosted and tripled masked...

I posted this in April of 2020

How a different democracy did not wait 70 days, but acted immediately, with urgency, direction and achieved different results.

SEOUL - In late January, South Korean health officials summoned representatives from more than 20 medical companies from their lunar New Year celebrations to a conference room tucked inside Seoul’s busy train station.

One of the country’s top infectious disease officials delivered an urgent message: South Korea needed an effective test immediately to detect the novel coronavirus, then running rampant in China. He promised the companies swift regulatory approval.

Though there were only four known cases in South Korea at that point, “we were very nervous. We believed that it could develop into a pandemic,” one attendee, Lee Sang-won, an infectious diseases expert at the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told Reuters.

“We acted like an army,” he said.

A week after the Jan. 27 meeting, South Korea’s CDC approved one company’s diagnostic test. Another company soon followed. By the end of February, South Korea was making headlines around the world for its drive-through screening centers and ability to test thousands of people daily.

South Korea’s swift action stands in stark contrast to what has transpired in the United States. Seven weeks after the train station meeting, the Koreans have tested well over 290,000 people and identified over 8,000 infections. New cases are falling off: Ninety-three were reported Wednesday, down from a daily peak of 909 two weeks earlier.

The United States, whose first case was detected the same day as South Korea’s, is not even close to meeting demand for testing. About 60,000 tests have been run by public and private labs in a country of 330 million, federal officials said Tuesday.

As a result, U.S. officials don’t fully grasp how many Americans have been infected and where they are concentrated - crucial to containment efforts. While more than 7,000 U.S. cases had been identified as of Wednesday, as many as 96 million people could be infected in coming months, and 480,000 could die, according to a projection prepared for the American Hospital Association by Dr. James Lawler, an infectious disease expert at the University of Nebraska Medical Center.

How the United States fell so far behind South Korea, according to infectious disease experts, clinicians and state and local officials, is a tale of many contrasts in the two nations’ public health systems: a streamlined bureaucracy versus a congested one, bold versus cautious leadership, and a sense of urgency versus a reliance on protocol.

The delayed and chaotic testing in the United States will cost lives, potentially including those of doctors and nurses, many medical experts predict. Already more than 100 people have died overall, and fears of rampant spread have led to extraordinary restrictions on social interaction, upending the U.S. economy, schools, hospitals and everyday life.

The administration of President Donald Trump was tripped up by government rules and conventions, former officials and public health experts say. Instead of drafting the private sector early on to develop tests, as South Korea did, U.S. health officials relied, as is customary, on test kits prepared by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, some of which proved faulty. Then, sticking to its time-consuming vetting procedures, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration didn’t approve tests other than the CDC’s until Feb. 29, more than five weeks after discussions with outside labs had begun.

Meanwhile, in the absence of enough kits, the CDC insisted for weeks on narrow criteria for testing, recommending it only when a person had recently been to China or other hot spots or had contact with someone known to be infected. As a result, the federal government failed to screen an untold number of Americans and missed opportunities to contain the spread, clinicians and public health experts say.

South Korea took a risk, releasing briskly vetted tests, then circling back later to spot check their effectiveness. By contrast, the United States’ FDA said it wanted to ensure, upfront, that the tests were accurate before they went out to millions of Americans.

Meanwhile, nobody in this administration can tell what the plan is beyond having a daily Trump Rally.

Now go ahead and spout the gaslighting baloney that you have bought into about how proactive this administration was regarding anything to do with Covid-19.

Because there is no path to rebuilding the American economy and protecting people from this virus at the current level of testing. And that’s why the lies about tests will be the alpha and omega of Trump’s slow, disastrous response.

Apparently you haven't looked at Rhode Islands, you better stay in your closet

Simple quest Jim did Trump and Biden have the same starting point with Covid y or n

2nd question do you understand how many people were already in the Covid pipe line sick or hospitalized on Jan 6th well on Jan 10 US totals were 208,295 new daily cases. And January has surpassed December as the deadliest month of the coronavirus pandemic in the U.S. so far. in December, when over 77,400 people Died January 79,200

It makes total sense Biden takes office on the 20th and it’s his fault January 2021 the deadliest for Covid Ya ok. Then cases fall off until August then Delta shows up and hits the unvaccinated and we see a spike ,,, by then U.S. administers 386.8 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines - CDC
And yet the 1st dose of vaccine was given out Dec 14 days so clearly the administration is trying to vaccinate the country


385,348 COVID-19 deaths — that means 15 more than the 2020 total. Omg this is the bases of your claim Trump did better based on 15 lives
Wow Trump supporters :faga:

but seeing Trump was in charge until the 20th of Jan we should give him an additional 78 thousand deaths it’s only fair he gets the credit.. seeing conservatives are keeping score

"Simple quest Jim did Trump and Biden have the same starting point with Covid y or n "

N.

Biden had some challenges dumped in hos lap that weren't his fault at all, like the number of sick people that he inherited, the mutations, etc.

Biden also had some distinct advantages over Trump. No one on the planet was prepared for covid in 2020. Biden benefits form the knowledge and experience we gained in that year, and he inherited a well-working infastructure for testing and vaccines.

"It makes total sense Biden takes office on the 20th and it’s his fault January 2021 the deadliest for Covid"

Fair enough. Remove January and February 2021 from the equation. Tell me, in your opinion, when does he start owning the results? Ever? When are they "his" results? Your answer will be, "when the results are awesome".

"And yet the 1st dose of vaccine was given out Dec 14 days so clearly the administration is trying to vaccinate the country "

Trump administration was vaccinating a million people a day, Trump is telling people to get vaccinated, so clearly the previous administration was also trying to get people vaccinated. Shocking you left that fact out.

"that means 15 more than the 2020 total. "
December isn't over yet, this is one of the worst months. And for the tenth time, Trump didn't have time (plus the fact that the most vulnerable have probably already died, we should be left with a healthier population) to vaccinate half the country. That alone, you'd think would drastically reduce deaths. But they haven't.

Half the country is vaccinated, and deaths are increasing.

going to florida where it's safe....

CT numbers are also surging, while Florida's numbers are improving rapidly. Funny, they all stopped talking about Florida at exactly the same time.

It's almost as if it wasn't about the facts, but rather, making a political point.

Euronews Sept 23, 20021

Portugal has the highest COVID-19 vaccination rate in the world


NY TIMES Oct 1, 2021

In Portugal, There Is Virtually No One Left to Vaccinate—

Portugal is among the most highly vaccinated countries in the world. Vice Adm. Henrique Gouveia e Melo, who led the campaign, said there was a ...


CBS Nov 14, 2021

Portugal, the little country that could ... get vaccinated
— One of the most vaccinated countries on Earth is now welcoming visitors after having achieved a 98% vaccination.

CBS Sunday Morning Nov 14, 2021

Portugal is emerging as a shining example of civic duty. One of the most vaccinated countries on Earth, it is now welcoming visitors after having achieved a 98% vaccination rate.


Reuters Nov 25, 2021

Portugal reimposes COVID-19 restrictions as cases rise
LISBON — Portugal, one of the world’s most vaccinated nations, has reimposed some restrictions to stop a surge in COVID-19 cases,

CBS DEC 6, 2021

Portugal reinstates restrictions after sharp rise in new COVID-19 cases
Portugal is bringing back tight pandemic restrictions amid a rise in COVID-19 infections.

WASHINGTON POST December 6, 2021

CDC issues ‘very high’ risk warning for travel to France and Portugal
The European countries received a Level 4. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said to avoid travel to France, Portugal, Cyprus, Andorra and Liechtenstein, grouping all in a Level 4 category that represents a “very high” level of the coronavirus.

My friends daughter goes to COnnecticut College, an $80,000 a year school. 100% vaccination rate for students and faculty and staff. Had a huge outbreak, kids are sheltered in dorms, classrooms closed, cafeteria closed, sports games postponed. But no one getting very sick either.

So, is your point that the next variant is nothing to worry about?
800K dead, asking me to change my behavior for the good of my friends and neighbors is violating my constitutional rights so GFY
Amazing
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Unless you are just one stupid mother fu*ker, it’s becoming really clear that getting vaccinated will likely prevent serious illness and death. The entire globe has been struggling to keep ahead of this virus and get more vaccinated to reduce more variants from developing. I don’t know if or when this will be over, it certainly has dramatically shown how vulnerable the entire globe is to something like this. I’m so glad to be retired and able to basically lead a normal life, maybe less dinning out than usual, but I can’t imagine dealing with this in my previous job.

Looks like they also require masks in all indoor spaces….

It appears to be spreading through vaccinated and masked populations just as easily as it is through unvaccinated populations.

So at least it’s preventing some from not getting as sick we think

Can the government require you to inject something because it might help you not get as sick from something potentially?
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You should visit Pete’s therapist and have that checked…,,
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If you have children going to public schools then you have the answer to your closing question.

You might want to think about that a little more…
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No need, school vaccinations are required to prevent highly contagious and dangerous illnesses, unless your living in a bubble, the government vaccine mandates are to try to stop a highly contagious dangerous illness. Spin your best, I’m ok with the mandates.

the vaccine is obviously helping, and i can’t see why someone wouldn’t get it unless they knew that they had natural immunity.

the federal mandates are being struck down left and right. and if biden can say the situation is urgent enough to force you to take medicine, so can a president you hate, like trump.
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? :doh:

yup...

we know this, thankfully...you don't get to decide...

hey pete you'll love this...according to worldometers almost all of the top 10 new covid cases states are democrat states and all of the bottom 10 states with fewest new cases are trumplican states....oh..and reports of inflation are debunked conspiracy theories

he was just getting ready to post that and you preempted him.
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I think he's busy joining the hunt for QAnon....

Silly girls,
Last night I had dinner with about a dozen friends, average age over 70 and far more conservative than you ne’er do wells.
Consensus was we all took vacinnes for the common good without whining about our rights
Judge for yourself, I don’t have a hard time figuring out who’s full of baloney
Especially when I look at tattoos and hear about fear of needles
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The fact that your phone auto-corrected Biden to Burden is friggin priceless :hihi:
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