Biden should be careful throwing FEMA money at Ron DeSantis. He has a strong record of misappropriation of funds.
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Ah the both sides nonsense. Yep tds Scott and you Jim are clearly part of that 80% that believes whatever gibberish comes from their side without question :kewl:

But you 3 keep convincing yourself’s of your independence and your ability to recognize Facts from fiction :musc:


Most Republicans still falsely believe Trump’s stolen election
In poll after poll, about 70% of Republicans say they don’t think Joe Biden is the legitimate winner of the 2020 election.

Yep both sides

Most MAGA universe get their news from 5 sources Newsmax OAN. Hannity Tucker , Lura Ingram

All leaders in journalistic excellence ( sarcasm)

The only thing I go to Newsmax for is reruns of Last Man Standing, other than that, I don’t watch any of them.
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i can criticize my side. you can’t. not once, not ever. So tell me who the radical is.

I believe Biden won in 2020. That doesn’t mean i can’t believe the GOP has better policy ideas on crime, the economy, the border, all of which are a hot mess right now after 18 months of liberal control.

You refuse to co cede there are extremists on the left, yet you can’t name a single policy on which you think the left is wrong, and your every post bashed the right and praises the left. Not “most” of your posts. All of them.

How are you not a radical extremist? how would you argue that you’re not a radical extremist ideologue?

Again get back to me when the Democratic Party try’s to overthrow a National election.. steal election machine data passing laws to restricting voting based on the lie of voter fraud

Oh wait you already think that has happened .. once again proving you don’t live in reality

Yes Jim there are like 4 members of the Democratic Party who I would consider extremist and have no power

The problem with your logic is the majority or Republicans are extremist…. And once again you are trying to suggest both are somehow the same and you’re willing to vote for there seditious leader

It’s like voting for a child Molester . Because they have better policy's on crime economy and the border..

I’d still take a guy who ask for a dead lady over a party that supports seditious behavior


Here’s a shocker that you would carry this talking point

There was no question that come fall, Republicans would go to the same sort of playbook that they’d been using for the last 25 years, which is trying to scare voters into the Republican column by blaming Democrats for crime, Crime has been a go-to Republican issue since at least the 1968

democraps never try to scare voters into the democrap column.....

Does sniffing them count?

"Again get back to me when the Democratic Party try’s to overthrow a National election"

Again, in 2016, a small number of congressional democrats tried to do exactly that. That's exactly, precisely what they tried to do.

And I'm sorry, but you painted all republicans as kooks and all liberals as saints long before January 6th.

"The problem with your logic is the majority or Republicans are extremist…."

Says you...and Joy Behar. Sorry, that's not evidence. Even Trump isn't an extremist (not on policy), he advocated successfully for criminal justice reform and that's a liberal policy, not a conservative policy. Marjorie Taylor Green is an extremist and a kook.

On the left, the squad are mirror images of Marjorie Taylor Greene and they have a lot of influence.

"Republicans would go to the same sort of playbook that they’d been using for the last 25 years, which is trying to scare voters into the Republican column by blaming Democrats for crime, Crime has been a go-to Republican issue since at least the 1968"

Sorry, the democrats control the show and crime is way up, the economy is in a recession by the typical definition, and the border is a catastrophe.

Here's the shocker, you give democrats credit for all that's good and don't blame them for anything that's wrong.

How exactly did they try to overthrow a national election?

You tell me, please, exactly what's wrong with the following response...

Trump won in 2016. As a result of their loss, a small number of congressional democrats tried to throw out the election results in a few states which Trump won, when there was no evidence any cheating took place in those states. Their effort failed, it was a flop. But they tried. Democrats in the house of representatives tried to overturn an election, for the sole reason that they didn't win.

It failed obviously. But that's what they tried to do. Biden, to his credit, told them at the time to knock it off. They proceeded with their attempt, and couldn't get NEARLY enough democrats to go along with them.

Some of them are still in Congress.

That's what happened. Just because Wayne hates it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. And as well-informed as you are, I have to say I find it hard to believe that you aren't aware this happened.

And then influential democrats were taking full page ads out in the New York Times begging electors not to vote for Trump. Those weren't elected democrats, just crybabies among the general population.

From the following link: "Jackson Lee and her allies argued that widespread voter suppression in states won by Trump tarnished the results. "

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...allenge-233294

NEWSWEEK TOP 5 US Rigged Elections

The Wall Street Journal first reported that Gore's team "has been checking into the background of Republican electors with an eye toward persuading a handful of them to vote for Mr. Gore."

Beckel insisted afterward he never had plans to try to blackmail electors to collect Gore votes, which he thought the article implied. But in an interview on Fox News on November 17, 2000, Beckel said: "I'm trying to kidnap electors. Whatever it takes." Beckel later explained what the Founders wanted: "The idea was that electors, early on, were to be lobbied."

Pro-Gore websites even started popping up, listing the names and contact information of Republican electors across the country, asking the public to barrage them with demands to vote for Gore and follow the will of the people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76Ru7rrnuKM

I'm asking a simple question. How did they try to "overthrow a national election"?

o·ver·throw
[overthrow]
VERB
remove forcibly from power:
"military coups which had attempted to overthrow the King"
synonyms:
remove (from office/power) · bring down · bring about the downfall of · topple · bring low · undo · depose · oust · displace · supplant · unseat · subvert · dethrone · disestablish · dissolve · put an end to · defeat · conquer · break up · annihilate

It's OK when they do it Scott.

Nobody likes losing, and I hate it as much as anyone. But every single politically-motivated riot from the last 50 years was waged by democrats until January 6th, so I don't like getting lectured about civility from the folks that burned cities down in the summer of 2020 which was infinitely more deadly and destructive than January 6th.

You may want to make sure Wayne reads this definition too....

Do you ever post anything other an attempt to insult? You're getting to be SD lite.

I responded exactly on point. Trump won in 2016, and a small number of congressional democrats attempted to "bring about his downfall", to "dethrone" him, to "undo" his win, to "oust" him, to "supplant" him with someone else, to "subvert" the results of a fair election.

Trump won in 2016. They tried to un-do his win. They had zero constitutional basis to do do, they just hated that they lost. Is that true, or is that false?

Why is it OK when democrats do it?

Why was that an insult? That was sarcasm. Wayne brought the word “Overthrow” into the conversation. Just want to make sure he understands it too.

Just trying to achieve Equity, equal outcome for all
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How did they attempt to dethrone him or bring about his downfall? By going to court or saying something?

last time, it’s in the link, they tried to decertify the results in some states that trump won, when they had zero evidence that anything improper happened

you’re all over place. you pasted the definition of overthrow which blew up right in your face as they explicitly satisfied at least a half dozen definitions you provided.

I don’t even know what you’re saying now. But the dems lost in 2016, and some tried to undermine the fair election because they didn’t like the result. They made a proposal in Congress and couldn’t get enough people to get on board. but they tried. They tried to throw out an election result because they lost.

Like talking to a dim witted child.

This is why you have no friends here and I think you are a #^&#^&#^&#^&.

There is Only 1 dim witted child. Who Keeps beating a square peg into a round hole ..

This must be Jim’s sources Dinesh D’Souza, a conservative political commentator, equated the two efforts and said the 2016 bid probably inspired then-President Trump in 2020 to pursue the alternate electors’ route. The scheme has become a focus of the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol.

“I’m chuckling about the fake outrage over Trump seeking alternate electors for the 2020 election,” tweeted D’Souza. He then misleadingly claimed, “The Left and the Democrats were calling for alternate electors after the 2016 election. Trump most likely got the idea FROM THEM.”


In 2016, a small group of Democratic electors pledged to vote for another candidate in the hopes of swaying Republican electors to vote for anyone but Trump.

Justice Elena Kagan wrote for the court.

Four Democratic electors from Washington state who were part of the effort to encourage GOP electors to abandon their pledges were fined $1,000 each under their state’s law. The fifth Democrat cast his vote in Hawaii,

Oh the Horror

While the 2016 effort was aimed at influencing duly chosen electors, the 2020 push sought to create lists of electors who would vote for Trump in battleground states that he lost and where the Republicans falsely claimed there had been widespread election irregularities.

Trump challenges to election counts (which included baseless challenges by Sidney Powell, Rudolph Giuliani, and Mike Lindell of MyPillow) were consistently and firmly rejected as unfounded by courts that examined the issue, so the attempt to replace one set of electors with another would have resembled a coup rather than an attempt to remedy electoral irregularities,

did Dems do that? So please keep preaching your revisionist History lessons that only the MAGA Faithful actually think happened

How do you explain this. 70% of Republicans think Trump won

And Nearly 1 in 3 Republican candidates for statewide office support false election claims

But some how I am the Child . For calling out half truths and Republican deeds before during and on going attempts to influence current elections with deceit and misinformation…

Jim it’s not the 30% of Republicans that worries me ..

It’s That 70%! That should scare the 30% of your fellow Republicans. To death because they are coming for them next And that should worry everyone

except, I've told you 100 times I hate what Trump did. So not one person here, has a clue who or what you're responding to.

Just tell me why I'm wrong when I say that after the 2016 trump win, a small number of democrats in congress tried to steal the election from him? Ignoring me doesn't make me wrong, insulting me doesn't make me wrong. Just explain why I'm wrong?

Add that (explain why I'm wrong?) to a long list of simple questions I've asked you, which you are too scared to answer.

"Four Democratic electors from Washington state who were part of the effort to encourage GOP electors to abandon their pledges were fined $1,000 each under their state’s law. The fifth Democrat cast his vote in Hawaii,

Oh the Horror "

Since I never, ever brought up this incident in Washington (never heard of it until just now), we have no clue why you brought it up, or what you're responding to. You know full well what I'm referring to.

"How do you explain this. 70% of Republicans think Trump won"

That's easy! They're gullible and/or stupid! When did I ever come close to defending the stupid argument that Biden stole the 2020 election? When have I ever said anything close to that? Again, you're responding to something I never said, because you're even you know you can't respond to what I am actually saying.

You asked, I answered.

I'll give you another chance to show me the same courtesy...why was it OK when a handful of democrats in the US House of Representatives (not talking about Washington State) tried to de-certify Trump 2016 wins in a few states, when there was zero evidence the elections weren't fair in those states?

You ask a question, I answer...

I ask a question, you dodge.

Trump tried to steal 2020, and a few Congressional democrats in Washington DC (which is different from Washington State, in case you didn't know) tried to steal the 2016 election. Both attempts failed. I hate both attempts, you only hate one because you're a thoughtless zombie.

Actually it doesn’t meet any of the definitions, to be overthrown you actually have to be in power at the time. Neither president nor their administrations were in place at those times.

Now Steal the Election would probably be a more Apropos.
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true, but what both parties did do, was try to overturn an election that they lost. Neither side had a legitimate reason to do so, but they were just sore losers. whatever you want to call it, the democrats did it in 2017 and trump/allies did it in 2021. but it’s only problematic when republicans do it.

Your heads not to deep in the sand
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but what both parties did do, was try to overturn an election

You love your lie don’t you
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Please tell me you donated that brain of yours to science, it’s a god damn miracle of science. :rolleyes:
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All the Trumpkins who demanded that Former-President Obama should open up his Martha's Vineyard private home to displaced migrants seem oddly quiet about Former-President Trump opening up his Mar-a-Lago public hotel to his fellow Floridians displaced by Hurricane Ian.
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